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  • #11,941
  • May 31, 2026 12:27am May 31, 2026 12:27am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi G.B This might assist. Here is an explanation of some of the differences between quantitative observation and qualitative observation. Each to their own. https://www.scribbr.com/methodology/...e-observation/ https://www.scribbr.com/methodology/...e-observation/ There is not really a right or wrong imo or better or worse. Just preference. A bit like what football team you support (or political party ) My reasons are stated as clearly as I could regarding manual discretionary observational trading....

Thanks.
  • #11,942
  • May 31, 2026 2:33am May 31, 2026 2:33am
Quoting bluesteele
And how do they verbalize that ?.

This is insightful in my view, recognising that to quantify something it first must be turned into words. That is the point, wow, I really learned something today, whether I can do anything with this new knowledge is another thing, but I now have a much better understanding of what it means to be a discretionary trader.

How do we differentiate between "gut feelings" driven by fear or greed and those produced by extensive subconscious experience ? is that, at least, quantifiable?
  • #11,943
  • May 31, 2026 6:26pm May 31, 2026 6:26pm
And so the new day, week & month begins

Happy winter to us in the Sth Hemisphere and happy summer to those in the north


Trade safe & trade well all




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  • #11,944
  • May 31, 2026 8:21pm May 31, 2026 8:21pm
@Timetells Good Morning,

I just placed a small trade. Trying something on 1 minute time frame. Worked out ok. Used Daily Open as a trigger and next Round number as exit. Waited an hour after Tokyo for momentum. I have attached the chart. Any input from you would be appreciated. Positive or Negative..lol

Regards
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  • #11,945
  • May 31, 2026 8:45pm May 31, 2026 8:45pm
Quoting whitesta
@Timetells Good Morning, I just placed a small trade. Trying something on 1 minute time frame. Worked out ok. Used Daily Open as a trigger and next Round number as exit. Waited an hour after Tokyo for momentum. I have attached the chart. Any input from you would be appreciated. Positive or Negative..lol Regards {image}


Hi W,

Looked a good clean entry to me pal ... from attractor TO attractor, well done.


I am a bit more conservative myself these days now as you know (I was more aggressive years ago),
And I don't want to hinder you from taking these trades (which I may have done a few days ago on GJ hahaa - sorry but that's me)

So I would usually myself wait now for a retrace (hopefully) which was the 15m arrow candle below (your entry was at the small candle one prior)

BUT
I would suggest to do exactly what YOU do, not what someone else (ie me) thinks.
You are the Trader
We live or die on our OWN trades not someone elses if you know what i mean.

YOUR trade overview from me was = "good clean entry at logical spot, sat through the retrace, and then TP" so VERY WELL DONE
(keep playing & observing on the 1min, its all the same as 15m, just broken down into smaller slots)
(as an aside, using the 1min, if you ever put up a pvsra vol indi you will see that things happened around your entry point, and again at mine later at the retrace)



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  • #11,946
  • May 31, 2026 9:51pm May 31, 2026 9:51pm
@Timetells (as an aside, using the 1min, if you ever put up a pvsra vol indi you will see that things happened around your entry point, and again at mine later at the retrace) GBPJPY . {image}[/quote]

Hi Timetells,

I managed to find this indicator and applied to the chart. Not sure if it is the right indicator, though. There was some action in the indicator.
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  • #11,947
  • Edited 10:32pm May 31, 2026 10:06pm | Edited 10:32pm
Quoting whitesta
@Timetells (as an aside, using the 1min, if you ever put up a pvsra vol indi you will see that things happened around your entry point, and again at mine later at the retrace) GBPJPY . {image}
Hi Timetells, I managed to find this indicator and applied to the chart. Not sure if it is the right indicator, though. There was some action in the indicator. {image}[/quote]


Yep, looks just the same as mine W


Reminder, these are not real volume like Kev & the futures trading gang will have. These are mt4 tickvol so are essentially just an activity counter.
As far as I know, one trade could be 0.1 lots and generate a single tick and the next trade could be 1.0 lots and still generate just one tick.
But it does show some increased market interest that we can observe.

ps I don't have pva on any other timeframe but the 1 min. Up to others to examine it (edit: I mean other timeframes) for themselves.
And. I don't use it for any specific trade entry, I go back to visual PA to establish that.

all the best
  • #11,948
  • Jun 1, 2026 1:19am Jun 1, 2026 1:19am
Reminder, these are not real volume like Kev & the futures trading gang will have. These are mt4 tickvol so are essentially just an activity counter. As far as I know, one trade could be 0.1 lots and generate a single tick and the next trade could be 1.0 lots and still generate just one tick.

Hi Timetells,

Yes i totally agree that these volume on MT4 are not reliable. Basically its just broker volume or ticks. No central market. As u mentioned it can show a bit of action when price enters or exits a certain location. We still need lots of other filters to validate that zone. It can be a small filter in 1 minute time frame. What the other participants are doing at that location is what we really need to know and how hard the sellers or buyers are trying to move the price. Never easy but at times big players just show up, maybe cos they are in a rush..lol.
  • #11,949
  • Jun 1, 2026 6:35am Jun 1, 2026 6:35am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi Timetells, I managed to find this indicator and applied to the chart. Not sure if it is the right indicator, though. There was some action in the indicator. {image}Yep, looks just the same as mine W Reminder, these are not real volume like Kev & the futures trading gang will have. These are mt4 tickvol so are essentially just an activity counter. As far as I know, one trade could be 0.1 lots and generate a single tick and the next trade could be 1.0 lots and still generate just one tick. But it does show some increased market interest that we can observe. ps I don't have pva on any other timeframe but the 1 min. Up to others to examine it (edit: I mean other timeframes) for themselves. And. I don't use it for any specific trade entry, I go back to visual PA to establish that. all the best

I'd really like to look into using volume in my algos, is it possible to get the futures volume into MT some how?
  • #11,950
  • Jun 1, 2026 4:32pm Jun 1, 2026 4:32pm
Quoting Guy.Baker
{quote} I'd really like to look into using volume in my algos, is it possible to get the futures volume into MT some how?

Hi GB

Futures is something I have no experience of trading sorry.

I did a quick Browser AI search on your question and this was the reply received.

"""""
Yes, it is possible to access futures volume data in MetaTrader 4, but it requires external workarounds because MT4 natively only provides tick volume for Forex CFDs.
To implement this in algorithms, you must bridge the gap between centralized futures exchanges and the decentralized Forex data feed:

  1. External Data Feeds: Traders use Expert Advisors (EAs) to scan futures markets (like CME’s 6E for EUR/USD) and write the real volume data into local files or memory. Custom indicators then read these files to display or use the data within MT4.
  2. Platform Limitations: MT4 lacks a backend for real-time Level 2 data. You cannot simply change a broker setting; you must actively pull data from a futures feed (which often costs ~$30/month for CME data) and import it.
  3. Correlation: Since spot Forex volume is untrackable, tick volume (price changes) is used as a proxy. It correlates at 90-95% with actual futures volume, making it effective for relative comparisons, though it lacks the absolute precision of true contract volume.
  4. Alternative Platforms: If native integration is too complex, MetaTrader 5 and platforms like TradingView offer more direct access to real futures volume data, often with better API support for algorithmic trading. """"


There may well be Forum Threads right here on FF where the information you seek can be answered
all the best

  • #11,951
  • Jun 1, 2026 4:49pm Jun 1, 2026 4:49pm
Day One of the New Month completed, with little major volatility.
Day Two commences.
Trade safe & trade well all



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  • #11,952
  • Jun 2, 2026 12:57am Jun 2, 2026 12:57am
forex markets have trading volumes 70 to 100 times greater than those of futures markets. That is why I doubt the significance of these volumes. But I could be wrong.
trading is like dancing, don't think and just listen to the music!
  • #11,953
  • Jun 2, 5:55am (45 hr ago) Jun 2, 5:55am (45 hr ago)
Price breaks a swing high, volume whether real or pseudo tick data increases, is it a breakout or climax before reversal to signal end of the move.

  • #11,954
  • Jun 2, 10:10am (41 hr ago) Jun 2, 10:10am (41 hr ago)
Timings


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Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #11,955
  • Jun 3, 7:25pm (8 hr ago) Jun 3, 7:25pm (8 hr ago)
Twas the day before Xm oops NFP and not a creature was stirring (yet)

Trade safe, trade well all



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  • #11,956
  • Jun 4, 1:22am (2 hr 7 min ago) Jun 4, 1:22am (2 hr 7 min ago)
Quoting TimeTells
Twas the day before Xm oops NFP and not a creature was stirring (yet) Trade safe, trade well all USDJPY . {image}
I wonder who progra .... I mean who spoke out to create that spike...
  • #11,957
  • Jun 4, 1:31am (1 hr 58 min ago) Jun 4, 1:31am (1 hr 58 min ago)
Quoting moodybot
{quote}
I wonder who progra .... I mean who spoke out to create that spike...

Exactly Andy,
the ol' fake'n'flip hahaa
rinse & repeat
good game they've got going there
  • #11,958
  • Jun 4, 1:35am (1 hr 55 min ago) Jun 4, 1:35am (1 hr 55 min ago)
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Exactly Andy, the ol' fake'n'flip hahaa rinse & repeat good game they've got going there
The ole fundies Pete certainly predicted that move and most definitely tech analysis would have.......

Classic Kev Moneykey Business involved in that one..., also known as legalised theft.....
  • #11,959
  • Jun 4, 1:53am (1 hr 37 min ago) Jun 4, 1:53am (1 hr 37 min ago)
Quoting moodybot
{quote} The ole fundies Pete certainly predicted that move and most definitely tech analysis would have....... Classic Kev Moneykey Business involved in that one..., also known as legalised theft.....

When you count the spikes up over the past 15 days
it's been quite a good earner for someone



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  • #11,960
  • Jun 4, 1:58am (1 hr 31 min ago) Jun 4, 1:58am (1 hr 31 min ago)
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} When you count the spikes up over the past 15 days it's been quite a good earner for someone USDJPY . {image}
I see you driving past the other day in the Lambo... must have been a good few days mate.

Kev's got a new tricycle, going great guns...
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