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  • #821
  • May 8, 2022 8:35am May 8, 2022 8:35am
Quoting ryuryu
Few serious thing you must know about me... First of all you have to know that I'm... I'm fan of Guardians of The Galaxy and The Peacemaker - James Gunn stories! haha, just kidding I want to talk about Stochastic. {image} What you know about that great tool? It was made in blah-blah-blah by blah-blah-blah, and it show oversold and overbought areas. And it can show trend. Yes or yes? Yes. But. This is: Purest. Finest. Best. Deluxe. Elite. BULLSHIT Why? Because there are no vol data in its formula. Stoch can't show you oversold....

Hi @ryuryu

You spoke few times before about stochastics and what great tool is it.
Never understood why it's a great tool.
Can you please show on a chart how you use it to make so great?
Are you using it as entry or exit criteria?
  • #822
  • May 8, 2022 11:25am May 8, 2022 11:25am
Quoting Merka
{quote} Hi @ryuryu You spoke few times before about stochastics and what great tool is it. Never understood why it's a great tool. Can you please show on a chart how you use it to make so great? Are you using it as entry or exit criteria?
It is great because it has 2 lines! Main and signal. So when main is higher it the price go up, when main is lower than signal it go down. It is very good for algo trading.
If you are using RSI what you have? RSI >80 for example. That's all. But with Stochastic you have Stoch >80 and main lower the signal. That mean price want to reverse.

Same for exist purposes. Do not close your long if main > signal. Once it flips then this is a good place to start closing your position. Since stoch is oscillator there are no guarantee, that the price will not go higher. But in trading we are not using crystal balls to predict the future: better close position in profit then wait for miracle.

And do not use "timeframe" for stoch. I mean do not wait for candle close. It will be too late. Use it in moment.
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Today +1.78% on 12 pairs (full auto)
GMT, GALA, APE, LUNA
ENS, ALGO, AXS, RUNE, TRX, CRV, NEAR
ZIL, KNC, LOOKS

it was -0.23% loss with ALGO today, because of market close issue with bot. Fixed. Now if the price drops lower than the take profit level it will not use market orders to close the position, but will use limit. Because today volatility shows that it can squeeze in loss.
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  • #823
  • May 8, 2022 1:45pm May 8, 2022 1:45pm
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} It is great because it has 2 lines! Main and signal. So when main is higher it the price go up, when main is lower than signal it go down. It is very good for algo trading. If you are using RSI what you have? RSI >80 for example. That's all. But with Stochastic you have Stoch >80 and main lower the signal. That mean price want to reverse. Same for exist purposes. Do not close your long if main > signal. Once it flips then this is a good place to start closing your position. Since stoch is oscillator there are no guarantee, that the price...

Understood your point and algo side of it. Thanks
How did you solved the false signals that sometimes comes with stoch?
  • #824
  • May 9, 2022 12:16am May 9, 2022 12:16am
Quoting Merka
{quote} Understood your point and algo side of it. Thanks How did you solved the false signals that sometimes comes with stoch?
Using stoch for entry is not a very good idea, because it is oscillator and due to its formula it can show top or bottom for a very long time. But it is good for exit.
I made million of tests and there are no positive expectation using oscillators as entry. They work only on accumulation (slow) phase. And will destroy everything on distribution. Same like moving average. It works great on trending market and will produce fake signals on calm.
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  • #827
  • May 9, 2022 4:31am May 9, 2022 4:31am
Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi Mihajlou Talking about Crypto exchanges, we only get a good orderbook using Bybit Exchange in our experience. We refer to it as a wall because unlike order books/ Dom's on Future markets, the only usefull information is read on the very first line. You can visiblllity see the Delta flip and run strongly on either Buys or sells for a short time. Its so good, we offer just trade off the data if price fades on a run and turns back towards the mean. We have tested a few other Crypto exchanges like Binance, none however are as good. Of course,...
Rick... & Ryu...

All of that sounds great =]
I have some doubts:

Why is Bybit better than Binance or FTX? (For this comparison, excluding the possible "conflict of interest" due to Alameda Research). From what I have observed (just with my eyes and not as profoundly as you two), Bybit's volume bars appears shorter and less pronounced that Binance's (smaller difference between Deltas), also reflected in less "full" M1 candles for the same reason.

How do you think the price balance is kept between different centralized crypto exchanges? (Different than the "unified" ones for stocks/futures, or decentralized FX with equivalent tick data). I believe that they and at least the "whales" (biggest participants) must share interlinked blockchain data with immediate automation; because there are discrepancies, but very small and get "corrected"/balanced very quickly.

About "rebates", some time ago I saw here: https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/e...s/derivatives/ that besides Bybit, another exchange that seems good, reputable and big enough, offering "negative" maker fees, was Gate.io; until I realized that the info is outdated, and both of them changed to something more normal: https://learn.bybit.com/bybit-guide/bybit-trading-fees/ ... https://www.gate.io/fee
Regardless of this, have you tried Gate.io? It may be a good alternative to have on sight.

And Binance with -0.01% for crypto pairs settled in BUSD, is currently better than the previous examples; but I don't know if their thinner liquidity is adequate for using it effectively.

** WTF with Kraken's volume? It's HUGE!

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Also, Rick: Do you mean that now you trade the S&P only from the DOM, without looking at charts? That's great! The DAX and NQ are faster, but it can also be done, leaving more "distance" for the limit orders.

Greetings,
Vik
  • #829
  • May 9, 2022 4:58am May 9, 2022 4:58am
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} Do you know where the Commercial section is Vik ? Because that is where Roody ROo is going very soon.... We can only hope eh ! {image}{image}
Lol. I've never been in that Discord server/room... But, how does ICM or discounts for subscriptions to a VPS and a charting software, has anything to do with all the other crypto stuff he's showing/sharing, like indicators and bots?

And before you mention it: NO, crypto brokers don't offer commissions/rebates from referral trades.

Why the quadruple post and tripple screenshot (well, 6 times now)?
  • #831
  • May 9, 2022 5:10am May 9, 2022 5:10am
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} Commercial Code of Conduct Any Member who makes money by providing a product or service to traders should be designated a Commercial Member. Commercial Members are allowed to promote products and services in the Commercial Content forum, as long as they abide by the following code of conduct. Generally, Commercial Members should be upfront, professional, and not be sneaky. You see Vik...if a member here is an IB or makes any money from trading related services he is a...
It's a SHAME that you had to go as far as intruding into Ryan's PRIVATE place (obviously uninvited), to try sinking him for things that could as well be totally unrelated.

That's plain toxic HATE, dude.
  • #833
  • May 9, 2022 5:53am May 9, 2022 5:53am
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} No its RULES Vik..and nothing private about it..... Heres his link in this thread https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...8#post13986678 PUBLIC you know... {image} So his public link leads you to this page....a Public invite to Discord that anyone can click on and see,,,,You know more clicks more posssible customers= more $$$ Which leads to his Discord links page {image} Which for all intents and purposes makes Ryuryu commercial Do you understand now ? RULES ? VIII. No commercial agendas Members may not use Forex Factory...
Good job Sherlock!

Again: The ICM's IB is unrelated to what he shows in his thread, which isn't being used for that. In such case, everyone selling a product/service outside FF might also be a "merchant".

I have barely entered to FF for more than skimming through some posts, so even if I'm interested in certain topics, I haven't had the time for digging or going forward along anyone outside here. I saw his GitHub page when he posted the links here, but I didn't read them all the way down. And I still have not been interested in joining Discord because I'm not using it at the moment, since around a year ago.
  • #834
  • May 9, 2022 6:29am May 9, 2022 6:29am
Quoting Viktory
{quote} Rick... & Ryu... All of that sounds great =] I have some doubts: Why is Bybit better than Binance or FTX? (For this comparison, excluding the possible "conflict of interest" due to Alameda Research). From what I have observed (just with my eyes and not as profoundly as you two), Bybit's volume bars appears shorter and less pronounced that Binance's (smaller difference between Deltas), also reflected in less "full" M1 candles for the same reason. How do you think the price balance is kept between different centralized crypto exchanges? (Different...
Hi Viktory

The data relating to delta on Bybit translates to readable delta bars that offer a high chance of providing winning trades. Basically I win most trades taken by following high (not extreme) delta bars off Bybits platform and trading in the same direction. The delta signals offered by Binance, Kucoin, FTX etc. just show conflicting delta bars that offer low profitabililty returns.

So its not in the volume size, shape - but in the actual data transmitting to our trading platforms in delta candles that counts.

Next month, I may find the data favours another broker - who knows.

As an example, I just took a Short on WAVEUSDT on a spike seen on the Bybit platform. We wait for the Delta flip and confirm trade entry by reading the Wall / Time & Sales. The result was a =1.15% increase in equity trade lasting 143 seconds.

ITS ALL ABOUT TRUE DELTA READINGS

Lastly - Come on guys, its a great trading day - get the F...K off here and get some balls and take some trades
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  • #835
  • May 9, 2022 8:45am May 9, 2022 8:45am
Quoting Viktory
{quote} Rick... & Ryu... All of that sounds great =] I have some doubts: Why is Bybit better than Binance or FTX?
It looks like binance volume data is compressed from many sources. Like forex fake tick data. For example, there are BUSD pairs, like XRPBUSD, and there is volume very close to XRPUSDT. But hey, USDT is about million time more volume in real life. So where did they got all that volume for BUSD?

Next thing. On crypto limit orders and market orders are different in fees structure. Limit are always cheaper, because every exchange need liquidity and they are ready even to pay for that (remember market maker rebates). So, there must be "walls". But there are no "walls" on binance. They are not so clear as bybit walls.

That make me feel that binance vol data is not trusted.

Regarding no another crypto exchanges. Everything changes. For example I was trading for a long time on bitmex with their 0.025% rebates. But then they reduces the rebates and increased the fees and all the liquidity jumps to bybit. What exchange will be the next - who knows.

About FTX. Trading with FTX is like to play cards with thieves. FTX is Alameda Research. They were catched few years ago buying stops data on bitmex. After the scandal they have created their own crypto exchange - FTX.

Last but not least. In your trading activity not only the fees are important. There are a lot of aspects you have to check. For example volume. Or min/max deposit/withdrawal rules.
As exaple: you can deposit only BTC and USDT to bitmex. But you can deposit 100 coins of your choice to bybit. So why to pay 7$ for ETH (USDT), if I can pay 0.01$ for XRP. And so on. So if you want to learn trading you have to study a lot of information, not only that affect your trading activity.
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  • #836
  • Edited 2:17pm May 9, 2022 2:04pm | Edited 2:17pm
+10.94% today

the day was calm + I had NEAR short position from yesterday. So I have decided not to close it in loss, or even not to manage it. The market was calm. Every 8 hours positive funding for my short, so why bother? I started to code my delta things for bots.

Then my NEAR short was closed and... market start to jump like crazy! Average TP distance 0.88% on GMT, on LUNA it is 1.37%
Crazy! So Three Amigos started to trade immediately!
And trading only 3 coins for about 1 hour bring us tons of profits.

Meanwhile I'm comparing tv vol delta data and real. They are different. Totally.

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  • #837
  • May 9, 2022 9:32pm May 9, 2022 9:32pm
Awesome stuff man. Wanted to share my bitcoin analysis if you don't mind =)
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  • #838
  • May 9, 2022 11:04pm May 9, 2022 11:04pm
Quoting AustinMB
Awesome stuff man. Wanted to share my bitcoin analysis if you don't mind =) {image}
I sold from 37000 till 31000 and re-entered buy at my expected area of 29000 till 37000 again. However, if Btc drops to less than 10k, that would be fabulous
  • #839
  • May 10, 2022 1:05am May 10, 2022 1:05am
Quoting Nd10
{quote} I sold from 37000 till 31000 and re-entered buy at my expected area of 29000 till 37000 again. However, if Btc drops to less than 10k, that would be fabulous
Heh, previous drop was -85%, so we can see
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  • #840
  • Edited 1:42pm May 11, 2022 1:31pm | Edited 1:42pm
I have created little dashboard about delta

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if compare with tradingview delta:
(arrow on top are real delta, bottom indi is detla using tradingview data)

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As you see signals are different, and real volume data delta is much more accurate. In fact it is not accurate, it is real.
That's why they are hiding real volume from us, because it shows the truth.
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