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  • Edited at 3:24am May 2, 2022 2:45am | Edited at 3:24am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi ryuryu, It is always hard to read threads where I see someone go into a meltdown.
Do not read it.

Quoting TimeTells
(ps are you saying that Rick’s CME vol data is fake in your post above, I am trying to understand your comment there)


I said the tradingview CME volume data is fake. Didn't get where RickM is here. We are using CME volume data trading forex. For mt4/5 and motivewave the data is the same, on tradingview paid plan it is different. I know why, RickM knows. You don't. But instead of asking why you start to create fairy tales around me.

Sorry, play your game alone. I'm not interested. If you are not able to read and understand posts in English I can't help here.

Quoting TimeTells
All I am reading here sadly is a person in pain, in pain as you say from the Rules (of life/society/forums etc),
I'm not in pain. You ask for my indicators, not me. I have them since I created them. All I said, is that I'm tired with all the f*cking stupid rules around. And I don't want to spend my time for that bullshit. So sorry guys, that is the reason you will not have my indicators. That is all I said.
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  • Edited at 3:18am May 2, 2022 2:59am | Edited at 3:18am
Quoting bluesteele
Trading is ALL about controlling emotions or you will absolutely fail....System/Method/Math 10%... Psychology 90%
It is not.

Quoting bluesteele
My advice for you Ryan is you need to work on you..
I'm terribly sorry, but I don't need your advises.

Quoting bluesteele
Following rules is a part of life
I'm very happy with that. So I failed to follow very important tradingview rules, that's why you will not get my great custom indicators.

Quoting bluesteele
And btw $960 yr is cheap.
Cheap for what? Cheap to give you the ability to use my custom indicators? I think it is not cheap. For me it is loss. Just 960$ loss for me. And one more thing: tell me one reason why I should pay 960$ for the ability to share my work with you? Don't you see the logic problem here?

And we never talked about global reason why I should share anything with you. You all my competitors (in fact not, because as I see you all are just funny retired demo dreamers/line drawers).
But anyway why I should give you something? And pay for that - is just nonsense and abnormal.
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Nozzer sent me this lovely PM. Because i didnt want to share anything what RickM or you Ryu are doing,

"Fuck you...for disclosing a private message...fucking scumbag ! "

If someone just sent me child like a message, give me your candies. and nothing else.
what will be response ? He didnt told who is what he has done or anything. just started asking.
and twice, i was polite and told ask from RickM or Ryan.

Similar users, and those who think Ryan got meltdown, i just tell go fuck yourself, it is wonderfull exprience and can release tenssion, and no need for psychological help.

Its Ryan journal,diary, and he can write whatever he think in his trading.
Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
All I said, is that I'm tired with all the f*cking stupid rules around.
And I don't want to spend my time for that bullshit.
So sorry guys, that is the reason you will not have my indicators.
That is all I said.


Okay good to hear you are not in pain.

However,
You DID indicate one of your internal valves was under some intense pressure,
is what I read.

Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
You want my head to blow because you assholes made rules? F you.

So offered here, as a bit of fun.
Loosen up, lighten up, and all the best

How to release pressure
Inserted Video
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Okay good to hear you are not in pain. However, You DID indicate one of your internal valves was under some intense pressure, is what I read. {quote} So offered here, as a bit of fun. Loosen up, lighten up, and all the best How to release pressure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xknkNWRYU
I'm working on volume/delta and tradingview indicators. And I have found that tradingview paid CME data is awful. Unusable. I said that. But instead of saying "Thank you Ryan, I'll not spend my money for that data" you all start attacking me.

What I can't understand: you all who attack me "trade" with no volume data involved. So why you are here? You all say you are extremely profitable with your rectangles. You teach people how to trade. So what you are doing here? Go to your thread and draw your fancy lines.

This is my journal. And this all about volume.
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Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
I'm working on volume/delta and tradingview indicators.
And I have found that tradingview paid CME data is awful. Unusable. I said that.
But instead of saying "Thank you Ryan, I'll not spend my money for that data" you all start attacking me.

Hi ryuryu,

You are definately under some form of stress, and trading can do that to a person not fully under control, I understand.

I was fascinated today when you mentioned Tradingview CME futures data was fake.

I quickly checked and the last time you mentioned CME data was back in January, your reply to Merka.

As I remember, Rick introduced you to it and showed you how he traded CME futures data, so I wondered what you knew now, that Rick didn't.


But Rick answered, quite civily, I see over on Andy's thread.
How it was just that you were unable to explain properly what you meant. That is all.

Here's Rick's reply, before, to Moody, that clarified what you wanted to say

Quoting RickM
{quote} Andy
Ryan just didn’t explain it fully.

Still, January was four months ago. Now I dont trade (futures) volume as you know. I am a horizontal line (= price) target trader.

So finding out today in May that the CME futures data you recommended is now fake, was news to me. That is all.


Here's your most recent CME Tradingview post, talking about that volume data, from last January.

Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
{quote}
On forex I'm using paid service for MT5 platform and for tradinvgview.
On tradingview it cost 4$/mo to get CME futures data in real time, for mt5 it is about 25$ / 4 month something like that.




I can read a few posts to find out what is happening, that is okay.
But this new info about fake volume data on Tradingview could be important to other traders that follow the vol-data stories.
So best we all TALK about it, if you have new info.


Keeping cool is best, honestly - -
Quoting ryuryu
Today I have some free time to post few things about trading. As I said many times forex and whole trading is full of myths, believes but it has lack on knowledge and mathematics. Today I made +3.03% profits on 3 pairs: APE, SLP and GMT. Average distances / gain since 0:00 UTC: APE - 0.53% / -17.09% SLP - 0.63% / +29.52% GMT - 0.41% / -1.1% Now let's compare this to forex. We have Gold, the average distance is 0.03%. Friday gain +1.08% Now let's make calculations. For example I want to trade with 1x leverage and earn 1%. Then I need to make 33 trades...

I will send PM about this after trading day is over, observations about delta, while trading ES or FX during strong directional movement of instrument.
i would like to make it public, but couple peoples post here and PM, i dont have such a feeling share it publicly.


Folks Delta has been long time regular tool for many traders outside forex, MarketDelta was first platform where i started using it, Gomi made it more wide used because he shared his indicators in ninjatrader +10yrs ago, he still have available nice videos, and screenshots. But the indies are not anymore free.

RickM and Ryan has post so simple and excellent screenshots and explanations. It wont take long time to understand and see it by your own eyes.
I will be up for the crowd fund Ryan
Quoting TimeTells
So finding out today in May that the CME futures data you recommended is now fake, was news to me. That is all.
I never said that CME data is fake. I said that paid tradingview CME data is fake.
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Quoting ryuryu
{quote} I never said that CME data is fake. I said that paid tradingview CME data is fake.


Yes, as I mentioned the one you recommended in January,
the Tradingview CME data,
that you advised today is fake data.



This was your recommendation back in January.
But at the time surely back then, you weren't aware the data was fake.
That was something you found out today & advised us, thank you.


Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
On forex I'm using paid service for MT5 platform and for tradinvgview.
On tradingview it cost 4$/mo to get CME futures data in real time, for mt5 it is about 25$ / 4 month something like that. {image}
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Yes, as I mentioned the one you recommended in January, the Tradingview CME data, that you advised today is fake data. This was your recommendation back in January. But at the time surely back then, you weren't aware the data was fake. That was something you found out today & advised us, thank you. {quote}
Hi Pete

Without getting bogged down in this talk about trading view CME data being incorrect, it took us a while to establish the data just wasn’t right. It first seemed that the difference was possibility just due to conflicting data error caused by Ryan’s delta Indy (well that was my take anyway) but it soon became apparent that the data was just wrong.

Not even close.

Unfortunately it takes a period of time to either iron out the bugs or realise the problem was the data TV has being using is just wrong.

Perhaps we shouldn’t jump the gun too soon next time and recommend the wrong access to correct data.

Cheers
Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi Pete Without getting bogged down in this talk about trading view CME data being incorrect, it took us a while to establish the data just wasn’t right. It first seemed that the difference was possibility just due to conflicting data error caused by Ryan’s delta Indy (well that was my take anyway) but it soon became apparent that the data was just wrong. Not even close. Unfortunately it takes a period of time to either iron out the bugs or realise the problem was the data TV has being using is just wrong. Perhaps we shouldn’t jump the gun...
@RickM
Let's settle that TV data are wrong.
Now I'm wondering if your paid data are wrong too or not?

Let's take a step back.
How do we know if any volume data in front of us are correct or not?
Quoting RickM
{quote}
Hi Pete Without getting bogged down in this talk about trading view CME data being incorrect, it took us a while to establish the data just wasn’t right. It first seemed that the difference was possibility just due to conflicting data error caused by Ryan’s delta Indy (well that was my take anyway) but it soon became apparent that the data was just wrong. Not even close. Unfortunately it takes a period of time to either iron out the bugs or realise the problem was the data TV has being using is just wrong. Perhaps we shouldn’t jump the gun...

Thanks Rick,
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  • Edited at 6:10am May 3, 2022 2:52am | Edited at 6:10am
Quoting Merka
{quote} @RickM Let's settle that TV data are wrong. Now I'm wondering if your paid data are wrong too or not? Let's take a step back. How do we know if any volume data in front of us are correct or not?
That is easy part.

How we understood that data is wrong?

First I have created delta indicator for tradadingview. I gave it to my Three Amigos and we compared EU and Gold with mt4/5 CD and MW. And we found that the number are different. But in general the "signals" are about the same. Like in 90% cases.

Next with my friends we have created python scripts to get live data from crypto exchange API to get volume and delta too. And same shit happened: tradingview volume data is not the same too on binance and bybit both.

So we have 2 exactly same issues here. Both only with tradingview volume calculations.

Of course I have found why. Just for fun.

How volume calculated? It is sum of all trades. How delta calculated? It is buys - sells. But tradingview calculate it another way. They are taking volume data from ohcl endpoint. Not from recent trades. But ohcl volume direction market equal to candle type. So it is "volume" + colored as corresponding candle. That's all.

Quoting RickM
Perhaps we shouldn’t jump the gun too soon next time and recommend the wrong access to correct data. Cheers
But I never suggest anything. They asked where we are taking the data and I answered. Later, when we have found the issue with tradingview data I reported it. But instead of say thank you for that they start to blame me. For what? For our hard job? For valued information I shared? Or may be because tradingview calculate wrong? Nice.

But I don't care. I know that they are not traders. That's why am they can is to draw their fancy lines and blah-blah-blah and bark like dogs :-)
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Okay guys, two days I was out, away from my lovely trading and now I'm back!

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Bots are running! $$$ harvesting!

I have added one more rule:

for example entry is when stoch >80. It is okay. But stoch has 2 lines: main and signal. And it is perfect for algo trading (RSI is not, it has only 1 line).
Why? Because you can add one more "if". If signal > main.

Then you will skip price and open your trade only after flip.
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Quoting ryuryu
Okay guys, two days I was out, away from my lovely trading and now I'm back! {image} Bots are running! $$$ harvesting! I have added one more rule: for example entry is when stoch >80. It is okay. But stoch has 2 lines: main and signal. And it is perfect for algo trading (RSI is not, it has only 1 line). Why? Because you can add one more "if". If signal > main. Then you will skip price and open your trade only after flip.
Just Python or are you using Node.js along with python to parse and send data back from API's?
Quoting Merka
{quote} @RickM Let's settle that TV data are wrong. Now I'm wondering if your paid data are wrong too or not? Let's take a step back. How do we know if any volume data in front of us are correct or not?
Hey Merka:

The volume data of public orders/positions mechanics from legal centralized exchanges, simply HAS to be correct & precise so the matching engines can correctly function within any scale between all participants. And they can't "dodge" the fierce regulations, neither have any "conflict of interest" towards faking/manipulation, because they are the "casinos", earning money through fees and commissions. Although on the other hand, of course "big players" (mere clients nevertheless) can use some nasty "tricks" (like pulling and icebergs) to deceive their victims and competitors.

Also, I'm fortunate to know by first hand (institutionally) that this is how it works. Normal/retail people like us can attest it (at least in most part) by proper observation and gauging...

Cheers!
Quoting q_import
{quote} Just Python or are you using Node.js along with python to parse and send data back from API's?
Hi q_import!
For bots only python, for custom charts python to collect data and prepate it (generate data file) and js (vue) to show it.
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Quoting ryuryu
{quote} That is easy part. How we understood that data is wrong? First I have created delta indicator for tradadingview. I gave it to my Three Amigos and we compared EU and Gold with mt4/5 CD and MW. And we found that the number are different. But in general the "signals" are about the same. Like in 90% cases. Next with my friends we have created python scripts to get live data from crypto exchange API to get volume and delta too. And same shit happened: tradingview volume data is not the same too on binance and bybit both. So we have 2 exactly...
Thanks for the clarifications
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  • Edited May 7, 2022 5:00am May 6, 2022 12:54pm | Edited May 7, 2022 5:00am
Today +3.73% full auto on 16 pairs

50x: GMT, APE, ADA, GALA, LTC, LINK
25x: TRX, ENS, DAR, RUNE, AXS, ALGO
12.5x: WAVES, ZIL, AXS, ANC

All coins were >0.35% or even >0.5% for TP.

How to choose the coin to trade? First you need to filter all the coins that has max leverage. For example BTC has 100x, but ZIL only 12.5
Next pick top gainer (or top loser). Then measure TP distance. Big TP distance (mean volatile) + big max leverage = smaller DD and bigger gains.

for example GMT:

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0.66%

This is GALA:

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it is 0.53%

and this is (just to compare) EURUSD:

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Now please tell me one reason to trade EU instead of any listed coin higher?

With 1x leverage I can gain or 0.5% or 0.05%. With same risk. Or, same gain but then 10x more risk on forex.
Remember: math is everything in trading. Calculate it all!

Want to find EXACT TOPS or BOTTOMS? Follow the VOLUME:
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Green days to all!
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