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  • #41
  • Jan 6, 2018 8:39pm Jan 6, 2018 8:39pm
Holy Grail is dumping losers fast and rarely larger than avg win, all that while batting 70-75% profitable. This is a money making machine.
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  • #42
  • Jan 6, 2018 8:45pm Jan 6, 2018 8:45pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} WTF are you talking about???
Its called staying on topic!!!
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  • #43
  • Jan 6, 2018 8:55pm Jan 6, 2018 8:55pm
you want the holy grail?? very easy..

CONSISTENCY !! drop ALL the variables that works against you ALL OF THEM; if something its not repeteable/consistent = drop it (think outside the box with everything)

THEN..

1.- find an entry point that gives you a temporal impulse in your direction; TRICK: the entry has to be the EXACTLY the same all the time no matter what (anyone can do it after explain it to them, even my grandma or an 8 year old kid, doesnt matter who)

2.-The exit point its BEFORE the impulse its over so you always close the trade positive (pip amount doesnt matter) again it needs to be exactly all the time..

3.- The higher the win rate, the higher the % you need to go per trade

NOTHING ELSE MATTER..

your welcome.. now get to work !!
  • #44
  • Jan 6, 2018 9:05pm Jan 6, 2018 9:05pm
Quoting Winston Reed
Don't know what topic you're talking about. But regarding your statement below: "Holy Grail is dumping losers fast and rarely larger than avg win, all that while batting 70-75% profitable. This is a money making machine" 1. What is "Holy Grail is dumping losers fast and rarely larger than avg win?" 2. What is "all that while batting 70-75% profitable"? 3. "This is a money making machine" What is a money making machine? Please explain???
If you win 70-75 out of 100 trades = 70-75% profitability and avg loss is no larger than avg win.

Ability to dump losers = not holding a loser or adding to a loser ever. an innate ability to sense from raw skill or ones research when a trade isn't working and to exit asap.

If you can do those simple yet hard things (hard because only the 1% have it) you have a money machine.....thats the holy grail or in other words sky is the limit on what you can make.
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  • #45
  • Jan 6, 2018 9:17pm Jan 6, 2018 9:17pm
Quoting RondaRousey
{quote} Some good bets can turn out to be losers. So you are going to dump good bets? Some bad bets can turn out to be winners. So you are going to keep bad bets?
A good bet is a profit.
A bad bet is a loss. Dump it and move on. No matter what it could turn into. Losers hope and wait.

There is no other way. The sooner you identify a bad bet (loss) and eliminate it, the more money you will have.
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  • #46
  • Jan 6, 2018 9:23pm Jan 6, 2018 9:23pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} There a few if any who have a win rate of 70-75% win rate. You can have a win rate of less than 50% and still be profitable if you understand risk:reward. A high win rate is uneccessary. "Dumping losers" is a bogus concept. Plan the trade and trade the plan. Set your profit target and stop loss and let it run. Write the check!!!If you get out before your planned stop loss you are second guessing your plan. Let it run. A risk:reward of 3:1 will get your there. Anything less than that will require a win rate unachievable by most.

Dumping losers isnt a bogus concept just because you cant do it or have not seen it done don't mean it doesn't exist. I cant do a hole in one, so is it bogus to aim for it?
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  • #47
  • Jan 6, 2018 9:25pm Jan 6, 2018 9:25pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} You are absolutely wrong!!!
coming from the person i have to dumb my posts down too. ignored...
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  • #48
  • Jan 6, 2018 10:44pm Jan 6, 2018 10:44pm
Quoting charterjoe
Holy Grail is dumping losers fast and rarely larger than avg win, all that while batting 70-75% profitable. This is a money making machine.
Maybe one should get away from using stats? I could win 33% of the times and never have a red day. Wouldn't that be holygrailish
The Earth is flat!
  • #49
  • Jan 6, 2018 11:35pm Jan 6, 2018 11:35pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} 1. What is a "temporal impulse in your direction" 2. "TRICK: the entry has to be the EXACTLY the same all the time no matter what (anyone can do it after explain it to them, even my grandma or an 8 year old kid, doesnt matter who)" You are wrong about this. The entry does not have to be the same all the time no matter what. Where did you come up with this B.S. 3. "The exit point its BEFORE the impulse its over so you always close the trade positive (pip amount doesnt matter) again it needs to be exactly all the time" Again you are spewing...

Join here and prove it =)

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=723914
  • #50
  • Jan 6, 2018 11:44pm Jan 6, 2018 11:44pm
Quoting RondaRousey
{quote} finally discovered a holy grail. i cant prove that claim- WTF you have the holy grail that you cannot prove? But you want to prove you know Hilary? are you taking any medication? btw I have been to Barrack Obama's house a few times. Nice guy and funny too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrkPe-9rM1Q
Yes the trade history is on a shared account with multiple investors and it is not very extensive. However I can prove it to you this year when i start my trading in feburary. I do know Hilary very well. I will prove this to you
  • #51
  • Jan 7, 2018 1:19am Jan 7, 2018 1:19am
From a futile discussion on semantics to the inevitable flame war. Another typical FF thread that's fast heading to hell (and possibly the recycle bin) in a handbasket.
  • #52
  • Jan 7, 2018 1:25am Jan 7, 2018 1:25am
Quoting hanover
From a futile discussion on semantics to the inevitable flame war. Another typical FF thread that's fast heading to hell (and possibly the recycle bin) in a handbasket.
In the blue corner, it's laughable that the deluded rookies have the hg. In the red corner, "I have the hg" those naysayers are the losers.

Only one species shall exist in this ecosystem the other slide into oblivion.

Ting ! Round 1 let the flame war begin. Hitting under the belt is allowed ! May the worst man win !
  • #53
  • Jan 7, 2018 1:28am Jan 7, 2018 1:28am
Quoting skyway
In the blue corner, it's laughable that the deluded rookies have the hg. In the red corner, I have the hg those naysayers are the losers. Only one species shall exist in this ecosystem the other slide into oblivion. Ting ! Round 1 let the flame war begin. Hitting under the belt is allowed !
Indeed. Ultimately forums are irrelevant, it's the market that sorts out the men from the boys.
  • #54
  • Jan 7, 2018 1:34am Jan 7, 2018 1:34am
No minimum criteria imho. It depends on the trader's fancies and, perhaps, misguided discontent with their current system.

KP
Do your homework, follow the footprints of smart money
  • #55
  • Jan 7, 2018 1:35am Jan 7, 2018 1:35am
Quoting sharingan9
another loser response above my post. getting easier to spot these
This is where you got into real trouble.

Every weekend a stealth vendor (SV) comes to FF to start talking about how they have the HG and that forums are for losers. Why would someone get involved in a place for losers in their mind without some serious cognitive dissonance going on?

You have all the hallmarks of a SV.
1. You say that you have the HG. And worse, you use the word "perfect" in your description.
2. You say anyone who does not have what you have is a loser.
3. You hint at importance and wealth by claiming that you know HRC and have enough money to casually help the underprivileged.
4. And lastly, you state that you have CLIENTS and cannot give away the winning method.

These are all sales tactics.

Now if you really wanted to help any losing trader, you would provide concrete advice that they could use to get better. I have to admit, that using HRC as a way to project authority is a new one. Had not seen that one before.

Quoting hanover
From a futile discussion on semantics to the inevitable flame war. Another typical FF thread that's fast heading to hell (and possibly the recycle bin) in a handbasket.
An interesting frequency distribution would be how many times an HG thread has been started!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #56
  • Jan 7, 2018 1:51am Jan 7, 2018 1:51am
Quoting hanover
{quote} Indeed. Ultimately forums are irrelevant, it's the market that sorts out the men from the boys.
How does it feel to be on that high horse of yours Hanover? I enjoy your posts. What is a forum without a little banter and back and forth? Have you lost all of your sense of humor in the endless amount of coding, analysis, and preaching you do from that very very high horse of yours?
  • #57
  • Jan 7, 2018 1:59am Jan 7, 2018 1:59am
Quoting mzvega
Consider the following questions....... 1. Is it an organized, logical arrangement and presentation of data for a logical purpose? 2. Does this arrangement employ accepted statistical tools which facilitate inspection, measurement, interpretation and valid conclusions? 3. In providing information, does this arrangement represent conclusions that can be statistically supported? 4. Does this arrangement define, organize and capture all change in the market? 5. In representing market activity, does it provide all the valuable information obtainable?...
OO OKIE SO YOU ARE SIX SIGMA BLACK BELT CERTIFIED ??? ARE YOU JUST A WILD GUESS
  • #58
  • Edited 2:13am Jan 7, 2018 2:00am | Edited 2:13am
Quoting sharingan9
{quote} Haha. My friend it does not matter which dictionary website you use, you will not find the term "impossible" in the definition of the word elusive haha. Try every single dictionary out there and you will keep proving my point lol. As for your utterance "Good luck starting a real business that evades pursuing and is difficult to grasp, hard to comprehend, hard to define, hard to isolate, hard to identify." Not all "real businesses" as you put it are easy to grasp, easy to comprehend, easy to define, easy to identify. Many businesses have...
You are more likely to be a personal friend of Hilary Clinton's than for anyone to be consistently profitable in retail forex (:
Granted that it is possible to make a few pips from time to time, even I can do it.

Looks like even HC herself was able to do it .. (but apparently "she had help") (:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillar...es_controversy


Concerning your reply, above. ==> You are confusing what is seemingly impossible but doable and true, with what is totally impossible and false
Scientific Method and Logic, you need to look into that.

Here are just a couple of "Holy Grail" analogies for you to ponder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlogiston_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

if you still can't think logically with the "Holy Grail" concept in all its form, I will continue to help until you get it. it's easy for me.
  • #59
  • Edited 2:18am Jan 7, 2018 2:02am | Edited 2:18am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} This is where you got into real trouble. Every weekend a stealth vendor (SV) comes to FF to start talking about how they have the HG and that forums are for losers. Why would someone get involved in a place for losers in their mind without some serious cognitive dissonance going on? You have all the hallmarks of a SV. 1. You say that you have the HG. And worse, you use the word "perfect" in your description. 2. You say anyone who does not have what you have is a loser. 3. You hint at importance and wealth by claiming that you know HRC and...
I will not show anyone my strategy, because no one would trade it anyway, I will not show my investors' account, I will never ask for an email or any action at all let alone money from anyone on this forum. The people on this forum are generally good hard working people and I have the greatest respect for them and their craft. It is the naysayers and haters that I address as losers. Those that blame the difficulty of the markets and fail to acknowledge of their own short comings, lack of skill and failings while finding console in discrediting or denying that there are those that successfully trade for a living.

I dont need a dime from anyone in this forum goof sir. Moderators can do want they want. I am not in the wrong and if they disagree and ban me i will just sign up with a different account lol

Also i do know Hilary very well. As you have said yourself, how can my knowing Hilary be used to make 20 bucks off some noob trader? More evidence of why i wouldnt need to do that. Not to sound like cocky but to cement this into the brains of anyone who thinks i want a penny from anyone, I am f***ing rich. I dont want anyones money. I was just making a point and someone assumed i was implying that trading was my sole income and I simply explained what my income streams were. So how is a person who is stating that he does not trade for a living appearing to be a salesman?
  • #60
  • Jan 7, 2018 2:09am Jan 7, 2018 2:09am
Quoting Mingary
{quote} You are more likely to be a personal friend of Hilary Clinton than for anyone to be consistently profitable in retail forex (: Granted that it is possible to make a few pips from time to time, even I can do it. Looks like even HC herself was able to do it .. (but apparently "she had help") (: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillar...es_controversy Concerning your reply, above. ==> You are confusing what is seemingly impossible but doable and true, with what is totally impossible and false Here are just a couple...
My friend. accept the fact that there are others more skilled than you and others who make a living trading. While you are at it, also do accept the fact that you have lost this argument of the basic definition of ELUSIVE, and accept the fact that you were and apparently choose to still remain ignorant on the various applications of the term Holy Grail.

I have already used your own website sources against you. You are wrong and you still cannot find the word impossible in the definition of the term elusive and apparently its driving you nuts haha
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