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  • Aug 13, 2022 2:24am Aug 13, 2022 2:24am
  •  RickM
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{quote} Thank you for the reply. That is logical, yes. But, what about the influence that other volume has on price change? For example: What if today only small traders are trading XRP/USDT in Bybit, but there is Big player on Binance. I assume, that the influence (effect) he will have on the (general) market will be present also on the Bybit exchange, but the volume on the Bybit will not show me the real reason why this move happened... So my analysis of the market will be wrong/not accurate. Or am I not seeing/interpreting something correctly?...
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Hi Mihajiou

The data we read is based on time and sales coming out of a single exchange. Eyes are however watching all exchanges at the same time so if a big buy occurs in one exchange, many buyers will copy the same trade within a split second on other exchanges for a instant profit (to fast for the retail trader generally) so any big movement will be seen everywhere within half a second. If there is a delay between exchanges, it will be brief.
The bigger issue is data can be different between brokers due to lack of liquidity on each individual exchange. In fact only a few brokers have enough liquidity to be able to trade anyway so it’s best to only trade and trust the data out of a market that has at least $100,000 worth of sales in a minute.

The goal of a volume trader is to trade data and therefore a market that shows buyers are pushing up the market or sellers are pushing down the market. In other words, we want to trade markets with low absorption. Forex markets often are totally absorbed by bigger players making data ready incredibly difficult. I have said it once or twice before, GBPUSD is a nasty market to trade for volume traders, trading high volume crypto markets is like having sex on a park bench.

Its quick and satisfying and rewards are measured in the amount of effort required to put a smile on your face.
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  • Aug 13, 2022 6:21am Aug 13, 2022 6:21am
  •  ryuryu
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Quoting Mihajlou
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{quote} Thank you for the reply. That is logical, yes. But, what about the influence that other volume has on price change? For example: What if today only small traders are trading XRP/USDT in Bybit, but there is Big player on Binance. I assume, that the influence (effect) he will have on the (general) market will be present also on the Bybit exchange, but the volume on the Bybit will not show me the real reason why this move happened... So my analysis of the market will be wrong/not accurate. Or am I not seeing/interpreting something correctly?...
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As I see since 2017 all major crypto exchanges are under same algos. So if the volume comes on one it will come on other too. Because big player need to hide their money and spread it to multiply exchanges.

Also. When you will check data quality from several exchanges you will see, that the quality of data is not equal. For example binance data is fake for sure, but bybit, bitmex, bitfinex is crystal clear very good data.
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I have finished my web-based dashboard. It is the same like my python one, but everything shows on website, not in console.

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If you want to get help with a decision what asset to trade - just open the dashboard and check the table. Everything sorted by distance. More distance = more profits and less risk.
Next if you see green volume that mean that it is >200 000$ per minute, if orange then it is in range 100k - 200k$ per min.

So in fact just check the top of the table. It must contain biggest distance and green number.

P.S. unfortunately I can't post links here, because some greedy assholes from "Flying Shit" thread will say that my totally free code is commercial activity.
So pm me to get your access. But please hurry, my server is not very fast, so I'll limit users let's say to 50 people max.
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  • Aug 14, 2022 9:38am Aug 14, 2022 9:38am
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Layout has been changed a little, more colors added.

So how to read the table

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Since the table sorted by distance on the top we have distance > 0.3% - it colored in green, then 0.2-0.3 it colored in orange. And then all the assets that you must not trade - the distance is too low.

Next check the volume. Green mean > 200000$/minute. It is good volume. So in this example you can trade or SAND or ETC. Also check the MA order. If MA order is short shorts works better of course. If it is Mixed then it is pretty dangerous to trade it, because we don't know where it will go.

Feel free to ask any questions about the logic of the dashboard. What indicator you want to see in it more?

p.s.

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  •  ryuryu
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What I call scam and fake and how to detect it?

Let's check the example I found. Take a look at the thread title:

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Ok what we see here? The title contains of 5 words:

1. Buyside
2. Sellside
3. Liquidity
4. Wicks
5. Voids

Then we can check what instrument thread started has to find that all. He has MOBILE charts and drawing tools. It's immediately obvious - the man is a professional.

I don't know what "voids" mean, may be it is "gap or valuum" or may be it is "set". It doesn't matter because how the heck it is possible to say if it was liquidity or it was no liquidity using drawing tools?!?

Then let's return to the list. Buyside or Sellside. Good. Now please tell me how the world you can say how many buys were at the certain time (area) using candlestick charts and drawing tools?

And the top of the pie - liquidity. The funniest part. Topic starter is magician like Harry Potter as I understand. Because he can see liquidity inside the candles (and outside too).
But the question is: if he is a wizard why he can't wave his magic wand and conjure himself money in a bank account? Why trading?

Topic starter call himself Aspiring Professional Trader, Trading Since April 2007. See? We have not exact year, we have exact month! Why not exact day of the week or exact hour he has started his incredible journey? Also he said he is 61. So what lesson for us? To start seeing the volume liquidity inside and outside small colored rectangles called candles we must be older than 60 yo or we need exactly X years and Y month to become a magician? Or both? What is the secret sauce here we must have to be that good in trading?

I know the answer. It is simple. No magic. Just fake, lie and scam. We have 5 words, and only Wicks are detectable (but make no sense without data). So 1 of 5 is True and 4 of 5 is lie (80%).
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  • Aug 17, 2022 6:29am Aug 17, 2022 6:29am
  •  Ihlas
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What I call scam and fake and how to detect it? Let's check the example I found. Take a look at the thread title: {image} Ok what we see here? The title contains of 5 words: 1. Buyside 2. Sellside 3. Liquidity 4. Wicks 5. Voids Then we can check what instrument thread started has to find that all. He has MOBILE charts and drawing tools. It's immediately obvious - the man is a professional. I don't know what "voids" mean, may be it is "gap or valuum" or may be it is "set". It doesn't matter because how the heck it is possible to say if it was liquidity...
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You have missed something, about magic glasses that sees everything. Eye of Sauron. It's like microscope. BTW, good joke
 
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  •  RickM
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What I call scam and fake and how to detect it? Let's check the example I found. Take a look at the thread title: {image} Ok what we see here? The title contains of 5 words: 1. Buyside 2. Sellside 3. Liquidity 4. Wicks 5. Voids Then we can check what instrument thread started has to find that all. He has MOBILE charts and drawing tools. It's immediately obvious - the man is a professional. I don't know what "voids" mean, may be it is "gap or valuum" or may be it is "set". It doesn't matter because how the heck it is possible to say if it was liquidity...
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The problem with the ICT teaching is its based on a false lie. They state price swings up or down at previous highs or lows to take out stops or additional liquidity that sits in those areas.

The problem is data that myself and ryuryu view prove there is little stops in those areas, and not much liquidity either. The data shows that in a 20 pip move down to an area full of stops (their theory), the amount of liquidity at the reversal amounts to no more that 5% of the total liquidity in the whole move.

THERE IS ACTUALLY NO STOPS WORTH CHASING.

So lets stop saying price swings up or down to take out stops - thats total bullshit, there is nothing there in most moves.

The whole move is rewarding, STOPS are just a waste of time chasing but apparently traders who have never actually sought out the data for themselves believe in stories without doing the correct homework.
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  •  ryuryu
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{quote} The problem with the ICT teaching is its based on a false lie. They state price swings up or down at previous highs or lows to take out stops or additional liquidity that sits in those areas. The problem is data that myself and ryuryu view prove there is little stops in those areas, and not much liquidity either. The data shows that in a 20 pip move down to an area full of stops (their theory), the amount of liquidity at the reversal amounts to no more that 5% of the total liquidity in the whole move. THERE IS ACTUALLY NO STOPS WORTH CHASING....
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100% agree! Stops are ALREADY wiped when you saw wicks! There are no more liquidity left. Already taken. Stops are free fuel for the big player to push the price to desired level. It called scam wicks and stop cascades. This is great article every trader MUST read, understand, re-read, re-read and learn by heart: https://blog.bitmex.com/scamwicks-and-stop-cascades/. It describe how market works. That is all you need to know.

Whose who saw real orderflow ysing real volume data in real time understand it. All others draw fancy lines and think liquidity is everywhere in their dreams.
This is what distinguishes a real trader from a cheater. Cheaters have mixed up cause-and-effect relationships. Liquidity does not appear after the shadows, it just disappears from them.
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{quote} 100% agree! Stop are ALREADY wiped when you saw wicks! There are no more liquidity left. Already taken. Stops are free fuel for the big player to push the price to desired level. It called scam wicks and stop cascades. This is great article every trader MUST read, understand, re-read, re-read and learn by heart: https://blog.bitmex.com/scamwicks-and-stop-cascades/. It describe how market works. That is all you need to know. Whose who saw real orderflow ysing real volume data in real time understand it. All others draw fancy lines...
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What is your opinion on the dump one hour ago? Are we going down further since the liquidity is very thin until 21k1 ? I thought the market was gonna fake pump until the end of August but this is brutal
 
 
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  • Aug 19, 2022 7:52am Aug 19, 2022 7:52am
  •  ryuryu
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{quote} What is your opinion on the dump one hour ago? Are we going down further since the liquidity is very thin until 21k1 ? I thought the market was gonna fake pump until the end of August but this is brutal
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Hola lamnongtnvn!

The key here is to understand what target is. What is the purpose of what we are doing? What it is destination?

Personally I see no purpose and see no sense in question "where BTC will go?". Who cares? Personally I have earned on that dump 23.12% today trading ETC. It has 0.82% distance, and about 200k$/minute in volume.

Let me explain. It is like fishing. There are no fish then there are no fish. Change fish with volume and fishing with trading.
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{quote} Hola lamnongtnvn! The key here is to understand what target is. What is the purpose of what we are doing? What it is destination? Personally I see no purpose and see no sense in question "where BTC will go?". Who cares? Personally I have earned on that dump 23.12% today trading ETC. It has 0.82% distance, and about 200k$/minute in volume. Let me explain. It is like fishing. There are no fish then there are no fish. Change fish with volume and fishing with trading.
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Thanks for your reply, Ryuryu. I don't trade BTC, I trade altcoins only because of higher beta but I asked about it because altcoins are following its movement, so it's like if I can predict the BTC's movement then I can predict altcoints movement. Of course there are some exceptions happen here and there but in general it's like that. Btw, I'm interested in your website, do you mind share it? I can't PM you.
 
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  •  ryuryu
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{quote} Thanks for your reply, Ryuryu. I don't trade BTC, I trade altcoins only because of higher beta but I asked about it because altcoins are following its movement, so it's like if I can predict the BTC's movement then I can predict altcoints movement. Of course there are some exceptions happen here and there but in general it's like that. Btw, I'm interested in your website, do you mind share it? I can't PM you.
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Can't help you here, because I'm not good in predictions. I just see volume/delta, jump-in and get my profits. Then wait for new opportunity. Nothing to predict here. Market mechanics never changes. It always the same day by day.

My trading setup:

I have VPS in Singapore (closest location to bybit/binance endpoints).
On that server I have script that is saving realtime trades data to the database:
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Then I have a dashboard, that show me the data collected. It sort it by % and show volume:

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Also it can send messages to my telegram channel / discord group if setup found. I turn it on if I'm out not to miss the things.

If setup found I open my tradingview with indicators installed and check everything one more time

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Like here, it was entry that allowed to earn >18% (with 1x leverage). I'm trading with 5x, so 18 * 5 = 90%. One trade +90% profits.

Also I have bots, they run 24x7 checking the volume/delta and using deleverage approach. They are trading with very small amount, but on 1-5 pairs at once (where we have volume). Bots gain about 3% daily. Depends on market conditions of course.


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So for manual trading: data save -> analyze -> alert -> enter -> take your profits -> repeat
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{quote} Can't help you here, because I'm not good in predictions. I just see volume/delta, jump-in and get my profits. Then wait for new opportunity. Nothing to predict here. Market mechanics never changes. It always the same day by day. My trading setup: I have VPS in Singapore (closest location to bybit/binance endpoints). On that server I have script that is saving realtime trades data to the database: {image} Then I have a dashboard, that show me the data collected. It sort it by % and show volume: {image} Also it can send messages to my telegram...
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I see. Thanks for sharing the valuable info! Especially the Bybit/Binance server info if I ever want to set up a bot in Bybit/Binance. I have just started to learn coding because my goal is to make a living by trading and trading bot/analytics tool like what you have are super helpful.

About this picture. I saw on the post above that you can share the link for this website to 50 people max. Is the slot still available? Your setup sounds wonderful, I really want to try it!

https://www.forexfactory.com/attachm...l?d=1660981243
 
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  •  ryuryu
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How to earn 17% on Sunday?

Easy.

1. Check volume delta, find that the only 2 coins are worth to trade: BTC and ETH

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Analyze the data. It is strage.... Why? Because usually ETH volume is 1/2 - 1/3 of BTC volume. But look here - it is x2 time bigger!

2. Run Advanced Ultimate Deluxe Volume Dashboard (VIP Edition) and wait for signal:
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3. BOOM! +17.02%
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Do you still believe in shit like "feel the market", "positive trading mood", suppport/resistance using drawing tools and other bullshit haha?

ONLY MATH. ONLY ALGO. ONLY AUTO TRADES. NO MANUAL SHIT. NO PREDICTION. NO MAGIC.
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5 years more ... son ...
 
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How to earn 17% on Sunday? Easy. 1. Check volume delta, find that the only 2 coins are worth to trade: BTC and ETH {image} Analyze the data. It is strage.... Why? Because usually ETH volume is 1/2 - 1/3 of BTC volume. But look here - it is x2 time bigger! 2. Run Advanced Ultimate Deluxe Volume Dashboard (VIP Edition) and wait for signal: {image} 3. BOOM! +17.02% {image} Do you still believe in shit like "feel the market", "positive trading mood", suppport/resistance...
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You are doing really well. I trade only in Gold because then i can concentrate and it is easy for me to do money management. I am trying to improve it and without true volume ,it is not easy. I tried to do analysis with given volume indicators but not good enough. Is your dashboard also provide volume data on Gold? If yes then Can i join your discord and dashboard?

Thanks.
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  • Aug 28, 2022 12:28pm Aug 28, 2022 12:28pm
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{quote} You are doing really well. I trade only in Gold because then i can concentrate and it is easy for me to do money management. I am trying to improve it and without true volume ,it is not easy. I tried to do analysis with given volume indicators but not good enough. Is your dashboard also provide volume data on Gold? If yes then Can i join your discord and dashboard? Thanks.
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Hey aahmad29!

I'm not trading forex these days because the margin requirements and distance are not good. If you compare with crypto then crypto is about 5x times more profitable (or 5x time less risky). So there is no sense for me to trade for example gold. Trading EU and GU make no sense at all, because of that too.

To trade on forex you have to get volume data. We are taking it from CME Futures. In fact I can create the same dashboard for all the pairs from CME, and then trade em on forex, but as I said why waste time for that? Also forex has stupid "sessions" issue, that's why all the indicators show incorrect corrupted data and there is no way to fix it.

The main task of me as a trader is not only to trade with eyes closed, but also try to find best market for that. Best market today is crypto for sure. So that's why my friends and me are focusing on creating scripts, dashboards and bots for crypto.

Also, forex works with mt5/mt4 and mql language. And it has to API. So literally you have a black box written using awful useless language that you will never use in real life. I'm learning to code using python and php, so for me wasting time for mql language is just a waste of time. Forex market is too small, there are no customers. For example you can hire a coder for mt5 for 50$, at the same time for crypto it will be 500$. Make no sense to waste time for that.
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{quote} Hey aahmad29! I'm not trading forex these days because the margin requirements and distance are not good. If you compare with crypto then crypto is about 5x times more profitable (or 5x time less risky). So there is no sense for me to trade for example gold. Trading EU and GU make no sense at all, because of that too. To trade on forex you have to get volume data. We are taking it from CME Futures. In fact I can create the same dashboard for all the pairs from CME, and then trade em on forex, but as I said why waste time for that? Also forex...
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Thanks for quick reply. I understand all reasoning of trading futures. I haven’t trade futures so no idea about it. Can you guide me that if I want to get volume and trade in forex, what should I do ? I understand that you are already busy in updating scripts so if you just give me directions to right path then I will try my best.

I really appreciate your help.

Thanks.
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{quote} Thanks for quick reply. I understand all reasoning of trading futures. I haven’t trade futures so no idea about it. Can you guide me that if I want to get volume and trade in forex, what should I do ? I understand that you are already busy in updating scripts so if you just give me directions to right path then I will try my best. I really appreciate your help. Thanks.
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Forex is casino. It is not real. No one cares if there are no matching orders. But the good thing is that they have to draw candles. And they took their data from somewhere. We have found that the data is equal to CME. If on CME movement occur then few milliseconds later exactly that will be drawn for you on forex. That's why if we ask what was first chicken or the egg here we have the answer.

So you must take CME data (use motivewave for that or clusterdetla for mt4/5). Or use any other data flow, may be there are many others I don't know. Personally I'm using clusterdelta for my mt5.

So that easy: check volume from CME but trade on fake forex.
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{quote} Forex is casino. It is not real. No one cares if there are no matching orders. But the good thing is that they have to draw candles. And they took their data from somewhere. We have found that the data is equal to CME. If on CME movement occur then few milliseconds later exactly that will be drawn for you on forex. That's why if we ask what was first chicken or the egg here we have the answer. So you must take CME data (use motivewave for that or clusterdetla for mt4/5). Or use any other data flow, may be there are many others I don't know....
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