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  • #781
  • Nov 12, 2011 9:47am Nov 12, 2011 9:47am
Quoting Bleek
No problem, you'll get there.
I am there, mr 'consistent'.
One Mind, Any Market
  • #782
  • Nov 12, 2011 11:53am Nov 12, 2011 11:53am
Quoting Cyrus
I am there, mr 'consistent'.
so.......i got to page 3 of this thread and got pissed off with the tease,,,,,are we going to learn the "holy bloody grail" or not......whats the point of posting....I don't get the point of teasing.
  • #783
  • Nov 12, 2011 9:28pm Nov 12, 2011 9:28pm
I think I found the Holy Grail. Flush your toilet. If the water goes down clockwise, go long. If it goes down counter-clock, go short.
Time turns trend. - W.D. Gann
  • #784
  • Nov 12, 2011 9:43pm Nov 12, 2011 9:43pm
Interesting idea about toilet. Let me try tomorrow if it is going o work !!!!!!!!!!

Grail it is knowledge, which brings you to understating the price action, and gives you ability what others don't see. I have a library around 100 books about trading, and i keep finding new books every day. There is no limits for understanding the market. If you know what to expect from the market, there is never a 100%, but there is always probability, you can go to your system and find the set up. But i am using automatic system rubicon too, when i know that there is strong move, it is give a scalping positions, short but profitable.

Market it is investment not a gambling, but even in gambling there is always calculations
  • #785
  • Dec 18, 2011 2:29am Dec 18, 2011 2:29am
what a waste....im ashamed of reading this thread.
wo-yoy! wo-yoy! wo-yoy! wo-yoi! wo-yoy-yoy-yoy!
  • #786
  • Dec 18, 2011 3:06am Dec 18, 2011 3:06am
So, did we find the holy grail or not?

Someone, please answer..I can't be bothered to read all the pages..
  • #787
  • Dec 18, 2011 5:47am Dec 18, 2011 5:47am
Hi Samfir, IMHO the most interesting of this thread are the post of David aka hanover all around in FF. His wise words have always been a real enlightenment for any trader. Just follow his post in this thread (or all post of hanover in FF) and see how helpful they are in themselves for all type of traders, experienced or newbies ones.
Just my 2cents!!
  • #788
  • Dec 18, 2011 6:36pm Dec 18, 2011 6:36pm
there is No holy grail unless you have trillion's to put into the market in one go, then you may have enough to tip it in your direction for a while, then you have the holy grail...but if you had that much you wouldn't be here...so no holy grail
  • #789
  • Dec 20, 2011 4:51am Dec 20, 2011 4:51am
But, I wants it..
  • #790
  • Dec 26, 2011 2:54am Dec 26, 2011 2:54am
I thought this thread was current, until I saw it is almost 4 years old. Anyway, the exchange and ideas JohnW brought were interesting. I've only just received "Way of the Turtle" for Christmas, so this is all new, but I had no idea trading and trading discussion could be so dramatic.

A belated Merry Christmas to everybody here.
  • #791
  • Dec 26, 2011 9:04am Dec 26, 2011 9:04am
There was a few things left out about the Holy Grail. You need to read "Stop Loss vs No Stop Loss" thread to fully discover the Holy Grail.

There is a link in my signature line to the thread in case you missed it.

Merry Christmas, from Santa and his gang of holy grail elves.
  • #792
  • Dec 26, 2011 10:38am Dec 26, 2011 10:38am
Quoting pip_seeker
There was a few things left out about the Holy Grail. You need to read "Stop Loss vs No Stop Loss" thread to fully discover the Holy Grail.

There is a link in my signature line to the thread in case you missed it.

Merry Christmas, from Santa and his gang of holy grail elves.
I congratulate you for your performance... I don't know what method you used. However, 10 % gain per month is a reasonable target for me...

Many people haven't found their own "Holy Grail" because they did not have a reasonable target.

The fact is, there is a method that many people have used to trade the market long before the internet and "trading for a living" era...

No matter what the next technology of trading (platform, indicators, etc.) will appear, the basic principles of Price Action will never be changed. And I am Satisfied.

Well, this is just my opinion...
  • #793
  • Dec 27, 2011 9:19am Dec 27, 2011 9:19am
Quoting pip_seeker
There was a few things left out about the Holy Grail. You need to read "Stop Loss vs No Stop Loss" thread to fully discover the Holy Grail.

There is a link in my signature line to the thread in case you missed it.

Merry Christmas, from Santa and his gang of holy grail elves.
Sorry for being dense, but you created that huge ripple in an ocean by providing a screenshot only because it was done in demo, and it's considered to not be significant only because it's in demo?

Only curious, not accusing or attacking.
  • #794
  • Dec 28, 2011 12:07am Dec 28, 2011 12:07am
Quoting BenSanderson
Sorry for being dense, but you created that huge ripple in an ocean by providing a screenshot only because it was done in demo, and it's considered to not be significant only because it's in demo?

Only curious, not accusing or attacking.
I posted in demo so as to be able to show values (IE dollar amounts) of profits and size of the account... to show you don't need 100k account to make money.

If this doesn't answer your question you're gonna have to be more specific. I have no idea what you are talking about by the term "huge ripple in an ocean"? Unless you are referring to the equity graph?
  • #795
  • Dec 28, 2011 5:42am Dec 28, 2011 5:42am
Quoting pip_seeker
I posted in demo so as to be able to show values (IE dollar amounts) of profits and size of the account... to show you don't need 100k account to make money.

If this doesn't answer your question you're gonna have to be more specific. I have no idea what you are talking about by the term "huge ripple in an ocean"? Unless you are referring to the equity graph?
I was mostly referring to the rather negative and 'dismissive' reaction from many of the members who commented on your screenshot. I understood what you were trying to show, and it was a very interesting read for me, I suppose I was a bit taken-back by the reaction of others. Is there really no merit to practice on a demo account?
  • #796
  • Dec 28, 2011 8:21am Dec 28, 2011 8:21am
Quoting BenSanderson
I was mostly referring to the rather negative and 'dismissive' reaction from many of the members who commented on your screenshot. I understood what you were trying to show, and it was a very interesting read for me, I suppose I was a bit taken-back by the reaction of others. Is there really no merit to practice on a demo account?

Ah well, people are people. Some have ill conceived ideas about making a lot of money quickly. Alot of them venture down the "flash in pan" road.

Demo has a bad name because it's fake and there's not any pressure on you perse. But it's still alot of work building a statement like that demo or not. I didn't do it just to display though. Mostly for testing purposes.

I don't know of anywhere you will find a demo statement that long in existance. If you can do it on demo, it stands a much better chance on live. But there is somewhat of a difference from live to demo... not much though.
  • #797
  • Edited 1:15pm Dec 29, 2011 6:26am | Edited 1:15pm
I want to thank JohnW for this thread - not because he may found any grail (which doesnt exist in that definition) but because of he confirmed my thoughts I had before i read this thread.

In concerns of: Don't try to beat the market, try to understand it

That is by fact the best information found in this thread - it also covers many other opinions where members stated that you need to study like in every other job or profession you might engage.

If you understand why such things happen and what is involved in such happenings it is much more smooth to identify possible next moves or read PA .. I like PA and just switched to PA only before reading this thread - it was a pretty nice confirmation for me.

[made 11 trades today, 3 of them was losses, one huge because i am inpatient and dumb, i deserve it. This cost me 336 pips .. (was worth 700 pips, if i had hold it). so there was 300 pips left (positiv) on the end of the day, which I found quite good for a beginner using only PA :-) .. maybe it was luck .. i will proceed the next days on demo :-) i like scalping .. (if it is)
  • #798
  • Dec 30, 2011 2:57am Dec 30, 2011 2:57am
Holy grail = diversification ;

Means combining variety of strategies(top-bottom buying selling- trend following etc..) and investing in a variety of instruments.
  • #799
  • Dec 31, 2011 3:32am Dec 31, 2011 3:32am
Your post sounds very sincere.. and I can see we are on a similar journey. I am on the verge of being a consistent winner, four months and it will be a year of decent track recod. But much more consistency is need before I can say I have found the hoily grail.

However, the reason I can say I am near is because, I am learing to read price action.. YES PRICE ACTION IS KING!! I feel like I can read the market fairly well, my money management is good.. now I am working on the emotional parts of trading. Soon I will have the hoily grail and it is located in between our two ears. Btw your post was very inspiring and helpful, thank you!
  • #800
  • Jan 4, 2012 5:05am Jan 4, 2012 5:05am
Quoting pip_seeker
Ah well, people are people. Some have ill conceived ideas about making a lot of money quickly. Alot of them venture down the "flash in pan" road.

Demo has a bad name because it's fake and there's not any pressure on you perse. But it's still alot of work building a statement like that demo or not. I didn't do it just to display though. Mostly for testing purposes.

I don't know of anywhere you will find a demo statement that long in existance. If you can do it on demo, it stands a much better chance on live. But there is somewhat of a difference...
I suppose that's true. In any event, thanks for sharing your techniques and screenshots; it obviously works for you so I just thought it'd be more substantial as far as others' support; but as you said, people are people.
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