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  • #45,801
  • Dec 31, 2024 10:21pm Dec 31, 2024 10:21pm
Quoting doji
A happy, prosperous New Year to one and all! I'm trying to decide which one of these CFD props to try out in 2025 (my first criterion being their offer of non-simulated, real live accounts for funded traders): 1) ATFX 2) Hantec 3)Origin FX Your valuable inputs--especially from the "usual suspects" like takisd, Capablanca et al-- would be most welcome and appreciated.
where have you seen that AtFunded offers real live accounts ?
  • #45,802
  • Edited Jan 1, 2025 2:11am Dec 31, 2024 10:38pm | Edited Jan 1, 2025 2:11am
Quoting josh1111
For those that care, this is from Nutty Bar: {image}
Many criteria are less important in my opinion. If you want to set a standard, just go with $25k, $50k, and $100k, as amounts beyond that usually relate to scaling, and accounts below $25k are very insignificant. What needs to be included to avoid noisy information are the Profit Target % and Drawdown % (especially whether it's trailing or static). (PIC 2 with Scale, now better). Simply put (if a 100k account is the goal): At Blueberry, you need to make a 20% profit to withdraw 8k. At E8, you need to make a 16% profit to withdraw 6.4k.

Quoting doji
A happy, prosperous New Year to one and all! I'm trying to decide which one of these CFD props to try out in 2025 (my first criterion being their offer of non-simulated, real live accounts for funded traders): 1) ATFX 2) Hantec 3)Origin FX Your valuable inputs--especially from the "usual suspects" like takisd, Capablanca et al-- would be most welcome and appreciated.
Whether it's a live account or not doesn't matter in the prop firm game. If you want to manage a real live account, the information has already been shared by others here in previous posts, specifically about jobs with firms that truly have capital.

Quoting Expo33
{quote} I only trade SP500 and never look at spreads/commissions. If I can make 6% in 20 minutes then I can make 6% in a month and get a paycheck. The only thing that ever stopped me from attaining goals is discipline. Sure, spreads/commissions affect your bottom line but without dicipline there isn't any bottom line anyways.
Yes, 6% per month is achievable, but 6% in just a few days is very difficult. This week, I made good progress with 2.4%. Discipline is the hardest part. Lol (PIC 1)
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  • #45,803
  • Dec 31, 2024 11:59pm Dec 31, 2024 11:59pm
Quoting Stoneyrocks
{quote} where have you seen that AtFunded offers real live accounts ?
You're most likely right, Stoneyrocks.

Upon closer reading, it looks like ATFX is also only giving virtual capital to funded traders, like Oanda and ICMarkets.

Thanks for pointing it out!
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  • #45,804
  • Edited 1:09am Jan 1, 2025 12:57am | Edited 1:09am
Quoting doji
A happy, prosperous New Year to one and all! I'm trying to decide which one of these CFD props to try out in 2025 (my first criterion being their offer of non-simulated, real live accounts for funded traders): 1) ATFX 2) Hantec 3)Origin FX Your valuable inputs--especially from the "usual suspects" like takisd, Capablanca et al-- would be most welcome and appreciated.
they all use simulated. ATFunded has a pathway I think but the others are just same. Origin fx is highly dubious

If someone says "virtual capital" or simulated or whatever it is because they want to deal their own account without legal ramification. I wouldn't pay much attention to that.

I will be purchasing AT when they launch next week as well as Hantec after my surgery in 11 jan. I have most of the other broker ones what I am looking for in 2025 is whats beyond the "challenge". AT have their program with the investors and I see few others taking the same route. Think capital is talking the same way. Tentrade has it but they are a scam.

Maybe we get some innovation.
  • #45,805
  • Edited 6:31pm Jan 1, 2025 2:01am | Edited 6:31pm
Quoting RoelsMajor
{quote} Yes, 6% per month is achievable, but 6% in just a few days is very difficult. This week, I made good progress with 2.4%. Discipline is the hardest part. Lol
The point is that it's easy to make 6% to pass an evaluation. Just buy a few cheap accounts with the YOLO strategy knowing you can have a few throw away accounts. Buy 3-5 accounts, wait for extreme price movement, then buy/sell 5 minis (you only need a $12 retrace to make 6% on 50K). If price continues to move against you, buy/sell max 5 minis with 2nd acct. Repeat until you get a $12 retracement. For Tradefiy 50K, you only need a $12 retrace before an $8 move against you. In my case, I bought 2 accounts ($70 invesment). Waited for SP00 to fall off a cliff then entered first and 2nd YOLO buys. Win win. Pay 2x$99 activation fees and end up with $100K in funding for a minimal investment of $268.

Now, earning 6% on your funded account while following all of the rules is obviously harder and a completely different game. However with 2 different 50K funded accts you can use a modified strategy like the evaluations just much smaller positions.

Honestly, these futures prop firms are inviting traders to game the system without breaking any rules by offering these dirt cheap degenerate prices.
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #45,806
  • Jan 1, 2025 3:22am Jan 1, 2025 3:22am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} The point is that it's easy to make 6% to pass an evaluation. Just buy a few cheap accounts with the YOLO strategy knowing you can have a few throw away accounts. Buy 3-5 accounts, wait for extreme price movement, then buy/sell 5 minis (you only need a $12 retrace to make 6% on 50K). If price continues to move against you, buy/sell max 5 minis with 2nd acct. Repeat until you get a $12 retracement. For Tradefiy 50K, you only need a $12 retrace before an $8 move against you. In my case, I bought 3 accounts ($105 invesment). Waited for SP00...
I’m taking a conservative approach in my current forex challenge with Blueberry, 10% target with a 6% drawdown limit. Theoretically, it can be achieved with an overall 15 winning trades of 0.67% each, but I could lose if I face 9 consecutive losses. So far, it has been 12 trading days. Maximum of 2 positions for safety, totaling 1.34% risk (margin percentage remains between 500% and 600%). Cost $113. Futures are for skilled and experienced traders, especially with trailing and consistency rules. I don’t understand futures yet. Maybe later.
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  • #45,807
  • Jan 1, 2025 4:01am Jan 1, 2025 4:01am
Quoting RoelsMajor
{quote} I’m taking a conservative approach in my current forex challenge with Blueberry, 10% target with a 6% drawdown limit. Theoretically, it can be achieved with an overall 15 winning trades of 0.67% each, but I could lose if I face 9 consecutive losses. So far, it has been 12 trading days. Maximum of 2 positions for safety, totaling 1.34% risk (margin percentage remains between 500% and 600%). Cost $113. Futures are for skilled and experienced traders, especially with trailing and consistency rules. I don’t understand futures yet. Maybe later....
For me I dont see any difference in trading futures or forex. Price goes up, prices goes down.
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  • #45,808
  • Jan 1, 2025 4:28am Jan 1, 2025 4:28am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} they all use simulated. ATFunded has a pathway I think but the others are just same. Origin fx is highly dubious If someone says "virtual capital" or simulated or whatever it is because they want to deal their own account without legal ramification. I wouldn't pay much attention to that. I will be purchasing AT when they launch next week as well as Hantec after my surgery in 11 jan. I have most of the other broker ones what I am looking for in 2025 is whats beyond the "challenge". AT have their program with the investors and I see few others...
when AT launch next week ?!
You already could buy account several weeks ago …
  • #45,809
  • Jan 1, 2025 4:50am Jan 1, 2025 4:50am
Quoting Stoneyrocks
{quote} when AT launch next week ?! You already could buy account several weeks ago …
no you couldn’t. They had a mail list sign up when you hit to purchase.

now they seem to have it up and ask them in discord they said Monday 6. Site is up 1 month
  • #45,810
  • Jan 1, 2025 5:12am Jan 1, 2025 5:12am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} no you couldn’t. They had a mail list sign up when you hit to purchase. now they seem to have it up and ask them in discord they said Monday 6. Site is up 1 month
Wow, Australia along with US not allowed with the usual banned countries like Iran etc. Yet their brokerage has Australian Lisence. go figure.
It's this kind of shit that makes me think going back to stocks and real brokerages/markets is probably best.
  • #45,811
  • Jan 1, 2025 6:06am Jan 1, 2025 6:06am
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} Wow, Australia along with US not allowed with the usual banned countries like Iran etc. Yet their brokerage has Australian Lisence. go figure. It's this kind of shit that makes me think going back to stocks and real brokerages/markets is probably best.
yes, asic are preparing prop firm recommendations soon. FTMO have also taken an actionable change regarding australia too (KYC up front). Originally i thought cftc will be first to make a clarity, then FCA in UK but it seems ASIC will be first..

A few EU local regulators are about to do a few changes too so we should start to see many changes soon regarding who accepts what. I sounded alarm already about instant funding.
  • #45,812
  • Jan 1, 2025 6:27am Jan 1, 2025 6:27am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} yes, asic are preparing prop firm recommendations soon. FTMO have also taken an actionable change regarding australia too (KYC up front). Originally i thought cftc will be first to make a clarity, then FCA in UK but it seems ASIC will be first.. A few EU local regulators are about to do a few changes too so we should start to see many changes soon regarding who accepts what. I sounded alarm already about instant funding.
Well there you go. FTMO Australia has it's own website. AFSL, ACN, PTY LTD etc. Only for Australians. Have to sign in to purchase. Yet, they want Euro for challenge fee. That's rude. AUD thanks.
  • #45,813
  • Jan 1, 2025 7:44am Jan 1, 2025 7:44am
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} Well there you go. FTMO Australia has it's own website. AFSL, ACN, PTY LTD etc. Only for Australians. Have to sign in to purchase. Yet, they want Euro for challenge fee. That's rude. AUD thanks.
I dont think its right to blame brokers or props for the regulation. Regulation is built to stifle business efficiency more than anything. I am now more careful of the props who accept everyone than the ones who do not because i know that their lawyers are likely Saul's retarded cousin.
  • #45,814
  • Jan 1, 2025 8:07am Jan 1, 2025 8:07am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} I dont think its right to blame brokers or props for the regulation. Regulation is built to stifle business efficiency more than anything. I am now more careful of the props who accept everyone than the ones who do not because i know that their lawyers are likely Saul's retarded cousin.
I support regulation in the industry. I don't blame brokers etc for the regulation. I feel it is a bit rude to have a ASFL lisence but not allow Australians to join etc. If one sells challenges to Aussies only, then make it in AUD not euro. But I support regulation that makes the industry last not stifles it. Not sure who Saul is.
  • #45,815
  • Jan 1, 2025 8:08am Jan 1, 2025 8:08am
Quoting Takisd
I am now more careful of the props who accept everyone than the ones who do not because i know that their lawyers are likely Saul's retarded cousin.

I think this all makes sense and is exactly right.

And a Happy New Year to you, Taki, and to all others here.
  • #45,816
  • Jan 1, 2025 8:34am Jan 1, 2025 8:34am
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} I support regulation in the industry. I don't blame brokers etc for the regulation. I feel it is a bit rude to have a ASFL lisence but not allow Australians to join etc. If one sells challenges to Aussies only, then make it in AUD not euro. But I support regulation that makes the industry last not stifles it. Not sure who Saul is.
Its protection of uncertainty in the AT specific case. For FTMO, lord knows, they are going to try to compete with ICMarkets i think with same business model. Saul is from a netflix tv show that people kept recommending me one of the strip mall type lawyers who are only 99.95.
  • #45,817
  • Jan 1, 2025 9:18am Jan 1, 2025 9:18am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} Its protection of uncertainty in the AT specific case. For FTMO, lord knows, they are going to try to compete with ICMarkets i think with same business model. Saul is from a netflix tv show that people kept recommending me one of the strip mall type lawyers who are only 99.95.
It's the prequal to "Breaking Bad".......both excellent shows.
  • #45,818
  • Jan 1, 2025 11:59am Jan 1, 2025 11:59am
dubai, canada or any other country for trading?? Which is best to move & why?? What are pros & cons?? anybody
  • #45,819
  • Jan 1, 2025 12:27pm Jan 1, 2025 12:27pm
Quoting genuine007
dubai, canada or any other country for trading?? Which is best to move & why?? What are pros & cons?? anybody
depends where u are from if is for tax purposes? if now you can trade for anywhere with wifi
  • #45,820
  • Jan 1, 2025 12:48pm Jan 1, 2025 12:48pm
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