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  • #22,221
  • Sep 20, 2023 7:23am Sep 20, 2023 7:23am
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} The score is not good and below earth on CTI, LUX and Surge. Even they pay it is better not to touch them and just trade on personal account or look for other props.
Just a note TrAndy. While you were away of the thread CTI launched a normal 2 step challenges with pretty normal pricing and targets / static DDs

I never tried them, I'm just noting this.
  • #22,222
  • Sep 20, 2023 7:28am Sep 20, 2023 7:28am
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} Just a note TrAndy. While you were away of the thread CTI launched a normal 2 step challenges with pretty normal pricing and targets / static DDs I never tried them, I'm just noting this.
okay, they have some value then. Around score =4 not bad but not good. And they still have time limits to pass their phases which is not good. Better to avoid.
  • #22,223
  • Sep 20, 2023 7:30am Sep 20, 2023 7:30am
TFF has the problem of big payouts getting blocked. They are legit if your payout isnt massive. Not legit if it is.
  • #22,224
  • Sep 20, 2023 7:34am Sep 20, 2023 7:34am
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} It's very bizarre that they admitted their own mistake to the point of inviting you to go on trading but then they denied the bonus payout.
I don't get it either. After all the noise I also thought they would pay me the bonus they advertised. But instead, they extended their rules to prohibit scaling into a position (which is what I do, and what I've done in the evaluation), repeated to say I was refunded and have nothing to complain about (skipping the part about the bonus of course) and that it was my decision that I refused trading with them which they do not understand but respect. Insane.

Would you trade with such clowns again? I doubt it
Money is made by sitting, not trading
  • #22,225
  • Sep 20, 2023 7:37am Sep 20, 2023 7:37am
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} okay, they have some value then. Around score =4 not bad but not good. And they still have time limits to pass their phases which is not good. Better to avoid.
How do they compare in that score with 5ers ? I'm asking because they also limit 2 steps accounts to 100K.

5ers 100K 2-steps challenge cost $495 with targets 8%+5% and 10% max DD
  • #22,226
  • Sep 20, 2023 7:42am Sep 20, 2023 7:42am
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} How do they compare in that score with 5ers ? I'm asking because they also limit 2 steps accounts to 100K. 5ers 100K 2-steps challenge cost $495 with targets 8%+5% and 10% max DD
5ers score is bit higher like 4.4 with their 2 step offer so better than CTI latest offer.
  • #22,227
  • Edited 8:29am Sep 20, 2023 7:54am | Edited 8:29am
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} Ok, I just read the conditions. Yep, they are horrible. We pass a challenge 1 step with static DD but then the DD becomes trailing and the initial payout is only 60% when we achieve 8%.
yup, once funded , trailing on open profits but for the most expensive program in CFD and futures on closed profits


this place is 100% legit , look at the people running this shop

https://www.linkedin.com/in/illimarmattus/

co-founder of TICKMILL , 1 of the best forex shops , besides they also offer futures

https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-heyden-ceo/

I prefer a 100% guaranteed 60% payout unlike a possible 80% payout

compare this outfit to those prop shops run by scamming kids …





another pro shop for futures

https://www.apterostrading.com/prop-desk

profit target of $10,000 with fixed max drawdown of $4,000


NO trailing drawdown , 100% FIRST PAYOUT up to 100K ,fees refunded when you pass, 60% profit share , trading with professional exchange fees(instead of $4 only $1.2), might be even a better deal than shops offering 80% payout with retail fees, SCALING INTO THE SKY
  • #22,228
  • Sep 20, 2023 7:56am Sep 20, 2023 7:56am
Funded Engineer.

1 st, 100k account.
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Intraday only.
  • #22,229
  • Sep 20, 2023 7:57am Sep 20, 2023 7:57am
perhaps it's just me......

both thinkmarkets and 8cap are using the correct MarketInfo(Symbol(),MODE_PROFITCALCMODE) for the indices, yet actual profit/loss math appears to differ by a factor of 10......

as example, roughly speaking due to broker feed differences, a 0.5 lot order with 1 atr targets runs 50$ using thinkmarkets and 500$ using 8cap....... back tests bears this out also.....

the ndx pays 120 vs 1200 and so on...... for the same type orders.....

from a somewhat worse angle, thinking your max loss will be 120 might turn out 1200.....

interesting.....h
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to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #22,230
  • Sep 20, 2023 7:57am Sep 20, 2023 7:57am
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} 5ers score is bit higher like 4.4 with their 2 step offer so better than CTI latest offer.
Would you be so kind to score the legit companies based on your analysis if that's not a trouble for you? I remember you posted something like that quite a while ago but I'm guessing the scores gonna be different due to how much the rules in the companies changed overtime. Thanks in advance.
  • #22,231
  • Sep 20, 2023 8:00am Sep 20, 2023 8:00am
Quoting Tobiazzek
{quote} Would you be so kind to score the legit companies based on your analysis if that's not a trouble for you? I remember you posted something like that quite a while ago but I'm guessing the scores gonna be different due to how much the rules in the companies changed overtime. Thanks in advance.
Maybe later. I am too busy in the next days.
  • #22,232
  • Sep 20, 2023 8:02am Sep 20, 2023 8:02am
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} Maybe later. I am too busy in the next days.
No rush, just I think that would be of great help for people in this group )
  • #22,233
  • Sep 20, 2023 8:02am Sep 20, 2023 8:02am
Quoting hayseed
perhaps it's just me...... both thinkmarkets and 8cap are using the correct MarketInfo(Symbol(),MODE_PROFITCALCMODE) for the indices, yet actual profit/loss math appears to differ by a factor of 10...... as example, roughly speaking due to broker feed differences, a 0.5 lot order with 1 atr targets runs 50$ using thinkmarkets and 500$ using 8cap....... back tests bears this out also..... the ndx pays 120 vs 1200 and so on...... for the same type orders..... from a somewhat worse angle, thinking your max loss will be 120 might turn out 1200........
Check contract size.
  • #22,234
  • Sep 20, 2023 8:03am Sep 20, 2023 8:03am
Quoting hayseed
perhaps it's just me...... both thinkmarkets and 8cap are using the correct MarketInfo(Symbol(),MODE_PROFITCALCMODE) for the indices, yet actual profit/loss math appears to differ by a factor of 10...... as example, roughly speaking due to broker feed differences, a 0.5 lot order with 1 atr targets runs 50$ using thinkmarkets and 500$ using 8cap....... back tests bears this out also..... the ndx pays 120 vs 1200 and so on...... for the same type orders..... from a somewhat worse angle, thinking your max loss will be 120 might turn out 1200........
bigger lot size? 1 vs 10 maybe?
Money is made by sitting, not trading
  • #22,235
  • Edited 9:08am Sep 20, 2023 8:10am | Edited 9:08am
Quoting Vitore
{quote} I don't get it either. After all the noise I also thought they would pay me the bonus they advertised. But instead, they extended their rules to prohibit scaling into a position (which is what I do, and what I've done in the evaluation), repeated to say I was refunded and have nothing to complain about (skipping the part about the bonus of course) and that it was my decision that I refused trading with them which they do not understand but respect. Insane. Would you trade with such clowns again? I doubt it
Bespoke doesn't know the difference between Martingale, grid, and DCA. They keep confusing the terms, removing some, adding some, inventing their own definitions, and then saying they removed DCA and confirming my trading style will now work with them, but then days later introducing new terms like "smooth martingale" with the exact same definition that they just confirmed they had removed. Too inconsistent for me.

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  • #22,236
  • Sep 20, 2023 8:19am Sep 20, 2023 8:19am
Quoting AaronPriest
{quote} Bespoke doesn't know the difference between Martingale, grid, and DCA. They keep confusing the terms, removing some, adding some, inventing their own definitions, and then saying they removed DCA and confirming my trading style will now work with them, but then days later introducing new terms like "soft martingale" with the exact same definition that they just confirmed they had removed. Too inconsistent for me. Screenshots for clarification: {image} {image} {image} {image}
What is the difference between dollar cost averaging ( DCA ) and Martingale ?
Intraday only.
  • #22,237
  • Sep 20, 2023 8:20am Sep 20, 2023 8:20am
Quoting AaronPriest
{quote} Bespoke doesn't know the difference between Martingale, grid, and DCA. They keep confusing the terms, removing some, adding some, inventing their own definitions, and then saying they removed DCA and confirming my trading style will now work with them, but then days later introducing new terms like "soft martingale" with the exact same definition that they just confirmed they had removed. Too inconsistent for me. Screenshots for clarification: {image} {image} {image} {image}
Kaler is a clown
Money is made by sitting, not trading
  • #22,238
  • Sep 20, 2023 8:20am Sep 20, 2023 8:20am
Quoting AaronPriest
{quote} Bespoke doesn't know the difference between Martingale, grid, and DCA. They keep confusing the terms, removing some, adding some, inventing their own definitions, and then saying they removed DCA and confirming my trading style will now work with them, but then days later introducing new terms like "soft martingale" with the exact same definition that they just confirmed they had removed. Too inconsistent for me. Screenshots for clarification: {image} {image} {image} {image}
What is not clear ? Grid has been defined and Martingale too. Smooth Martingale is Factor = 1.0. DCA is then adding less lot size to current position when being in floating loss. That has been removed. I did hear that so far in Discord. But then you have more info here. It is all clearly expressed for me. I do not know what is your problem.
  • #22,239
  • Sep 20, 2023 8:20am Sep 20, 2023 8:20am
I also saw that again and again and he confusing him self and contradicting himself with the info in support that people were posting.
He was never able to provide a good definition and refuses to have examples in their site.
And that Kaler is the CEO. Imagine the confusion internally with the employees....

It would be easy to provide some definition and example, such as Alpha for martingale:
https://help.alphacapitalgroup.uk/en...ngale-strategy
  • #22,240
  • Sep 20, 2023 8:24am Sep 20, 2023 8:24am
Quoting Takisd
TFF ... They are legit if your payout isnt massive. Not legit if it is.
-This is what we have devolved to... legitimacy within ranges, or to a certain degree. It reminds me how the FDA allows things like rat droppings in our foods so long as the amount does not exceed some seemingly-arbitrary number.
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