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Most volatile EU/GU/XAU/BTC trading

#1,801
May 6, 2023 2:35pm May 6, 2023 2:35pm

ryuryu
Joined Apr 2020 | Status: Trader/Coder | 1,929 Posts

Quoting Ferna

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{quote} I really miss the times you and Rick were discussing orderflow.

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Everything was said many times, no more data to discuss. Just watch the trades and you will see everything.

Quoting Ferna

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The line drawers suck, is there any line that is remotely helpful to you though? channels?

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I'm using HH LL, but they are dynamic. It fact we can call em lines why not haha

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#1,802
May 6, 2023 2:48pm May 6, 2023 2:48pm

Ferna
Joined Dec 2022 | Status: Trader | 2,427 Posts

Quoting ryuryu

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{quote} Everything was said many times, no more data to discuss. Just watch the trades and you will see everything. {quote} I'm using HH LL, but they are dynamic. It fact we can call em lines why not haha

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I'm thinking a satanic cult must be driving the market. If you go back one year on GBP/USD, you will see that the same dates got the same levels.
How do i join your rituals? and learn this voodoo?

What did you draw before you started programming your knowledge into indicators btw?

You have an IQ lower than 90 if you interact with this user.

#1,803
May 6, 2023 3:05pm May 6, 2023 3:05pm

ryuryu
Joined Apr 2020 | Status: Trader/Coder | 1,929 Posts

Quoting Ferna

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{quote} I'm thinking a satanic cult must be driving the market. If you go back one year on GBP/USD, you will see that the same dates got the same levels. How do i join your rituals? and learn this voodoo? What did you draw before you started programming your knowledge into indicators btw?

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Oh I drew everything you even can't imagine what haha
It were rectangles, triangles, lines, circles and even fibo levels. All that bullshit I tested myself hahaaaa

But then RickM said "what the heck are you doing? try volume". And that's all

if you want to trade with us just join my discord group. We discuss the things there and share ideas.

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#1,804
Edited 4:12pm May 6, 2023 3:31pm | Edited 4:12pm

Ferna
Joined Dec 2022 | Status: Trader | 2,427 Posts

Quoting ryuryu

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{quote} Oh I drew everything you even can't imagine what haha It were rectangles, triangles, lines, circles and even fibo levels. All that bullshit I tested myself hahaaaa But then RickM said "what the heck are you doing? try volume". And that's all if you want to trade with us just join my discord group. We discuss the things there and share ideas.

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Thanks for invite! but i'm not so into using indicators and such, i use price behavior and memorizing numbers.
Am trying not to be one of the mainstream players using the commercial stuff. Just wondering if you guys might let in for theoretical discussions and mechanics?

In my opinion you are the best trader in FF.

You have an IQ lower than 90 if you interact with this user.

#1,805
Edited 2:28am May 7, 2023 2:18am | Edited 2:28am

ryuryu
Joined Apr 2020 | Status: Trader/Coder | 1,929 Posts

Quoting Ferna

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{quote} Thanks for invite! but i'm not so into using indicators and such, i use price behavior and memorizing numbers. Am trying not to be one of the mainstream players using the commercial stuff. Just wondering if you guys might let in for theoretical discussions and mechanics? In my opinion you are the best trader in FF.

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Most of "successful traders" I know are or scammers or liars or degen gamblers

As for indicators I'm using only moving average (simple for now, but sometimes exponential too).

In real life there is a metric named business entry threshold. The lower the entry threshold, the more competition, less profit and more options to lose money. Exactly the same in trading. If you are using free drawing tools then you will never earn. You have to invest in coding, infrastructure and research. People lie themselves telling they are "learning" something staring at the charts and calculating "chart screen hours". This is purest bullshit. Watching sports never make you an athlete.

For example today I made a trade with +18.94% ROI

But under the hood was a lot of math and automated things.

My server save live trading data from the exchange and make the calculations in real time to give me the picture:

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Now as you see all market UP and the coin with biggest distance is OP.

Also. The whole market imbalance delta is +9.84%, but it was like +30% and more. So it drops.
And the delta on OP was like +300% and now it is +5% only.

Now wait for wholoe market delta turns negative:

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open the short

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and whooooaa:

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Stay green!

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#1,806
May 7, 2023 4:10am May 7, 2023 4:10am

Merka
Joined Jan 2016 | Status: Trader | 2,062 Posts

Quoting ryuryu

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{quote} Most of "successful traders" I know are or scammers or liars or degen gamblers As for indicators I'm using only moving average (simple for now, but sometimes exponential too). In real life there is a metric named business entry threshold. The lower the entry threshold, the more competition, less profit and more options to lose money. Exactly the same in trading. If you are using free drawing tools then you will never earn. You have to invest in coding, infrastructure and research. People lie themselves telling they are "learning"...

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Impressive performance.

If you are trading OP why you need to look for overall market negative delta and not just for the OP delta?

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Edited 6:20am May 7, 2023 4:38am | Edited 6:20am

ryuryu
Joined Apr 2020 | Status: Trader/Coder | 1,929 Posts

Quoting Merka

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{quote} Impressive performance. If you are trading OP why you need to look for overall market negative delta and not just for the OP delta?

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There are few things you should know. I think you read many times things like "bulls are fighting the level" or "bears defend level". This is finest purest bullshit. There are no bulls and there are no bears on the market. There are big player and degen gamblers. And the big player has a job - to take degen gambler's money.

For that purpose big player is doing several things called calculations. When the moment is good it start pressing the market sell or buy button to push the price to stop loss area to trigger stop cascade to run. Then it will get free fuel to push the price higher or lower. To get more profits. So the tears of degen gamblers is just a free fuel for big guys.

Since the market is not very big for example now it is only 600 000 $ per minute. And the average leverage is >10%, then we have "real" 60 000$ only. That's why big player use ALL the coins to trade at once. That mean that all the market make same movements.

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So the logic is that:

1. Wait for whole market delta will be >40% for example
2. Wait for desired coin delta will be > 300%
3. Check if all the market is in sync (ma order)
4. Pick best "room to trade" coin
5. Jump into the trade

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p.s. of course don't forget to check basics: min order size ($), min distance (fees), max leverage and so on.

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#1,808
May 7, 2023 9:22am May 7, 2023 9:22am

Merka
Joined Jan 2016 | Status: Trader | 2,062 Posts

Quoting ryuryu

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{quote} There are few things you should know. I think you read many times things like "bulls are fighting the level" or "bears defend level". This is finest purest bullshit. There are no bulls and there are no bears on the market. There are big player and degen gamblers. And the big player has a job - to take degen gambler's money. For that purpose big player is doing several things called calculations. When the moment is good it start pressing the market sell or buy button to push the price to stop loss area to trigger stop cascade to run. Then...

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Thanks for the explanations

#1,809
May 7, 2023 1:35pm May 7, 2023 1:35pm

ryuryu
Joined Apr 2020 | Status: Trader/Coder | 1,929 Posts

how to pick the f***g top?

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Are you ready for MAGIC?

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#1,810
May 7, 2023 4:20pm May 7, 2023 4:20pm

Merka
Joined Jan 2016 | Status: Trader | 2,062 Posts

Quoting ryuryu

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how to pick the f***g top? {image} Are you ready for MAGIC? {image}

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So you are telling me that today you did 100% ROI?

#1,811
May 8, 2023 1:11am May 8, 2023 1:11am

ryuryu
Joined Apr 2020 | Status: Trader/Coder | 1,929 Posts

Quoting Merka

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{quote} So you are telling me that today you did 100% ROI?

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More, 5 trades:

+18.94%
+11.11%
+16.55%
+22.33%
+64.40%

it is +133.33%

But you should remember that this is ROI - return on investment, but my average leverage is 0.08x

Also, it is not correct to sum it. The calculations are wrong then.

If you have 100% and your initial margin is 0.08x and you earned +18.94% then let's say you have 10000$ then 18.94% * 0.08 = 1.51%
Then 10000$ + 1.51% = 10015.1$
Then next step and then you can calculate the profit per account per day for example.

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#1,812
May 8, 2023 6:12am May 8, 2023 6:12am

StoppedOut
| Joined Nov 2022 | Status: Trader | 253 Posts

Quoting ryuryu

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{quote} There are few things you should know. I think you read many times things like "bulls are fighting the level" or "bears defend level". This is finest purest bullshit. There are no bulls and there are no bears on the market. There are big player and degen gamblers. And the big player has a job - to take degen gambler's money. For that purpose big player is doing several things called calculations. When the moment is good it start pressing the market sell or buy button to push the price to stop loss area to trigger stop cascade to run. Then...

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>There are no bulls and there are no bears on the market.

this is the silliest mindset you can have about the market. people who think like this are the once who still believe trade volume is applicable in the forex market as a trading strategy.There are bulls and bears in the market and they represent supply and demand which is what drives the market.You cannot be a"high impact member" here and sill thing primitively about the forex market. woh!

#1,813
May 8, 2023 8:22am May 8, 2023 8:22am

rockypoint
Joined Aug 2014 | Status: Trader | 4,260 Posts

Don't think he trades the forex market, because there is no reliable volume data.

#1,814
May 8, 2023 8:50am May 8, 2023 8:50am

ryuryu
Joined Apr 2020 | Status: Trader/Coder | 1,929 Posts

Quoting rockypoint

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Don't think he trades the forex market, because there is no reliable volume data.

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I'm trading on forex using CME data sometimes. But forex is much more risky because of min lot size issue and because of decimals issue.
Min lot size is 0.01, which is >100$ and the step is 100$ too. Also the data from indicators data are corrupted beacuse of sessions and weekends.
I posted the math many times, don't want to repeat it again and again.

Anyway if StoppedOut thinks that there are bulls and bears on the market and that they represent supply and demand then there is nothing to discuss here haha

There are a lot of fancy line drawers threads around, better go there and post all that bullshit there.

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> 2+2=4

this is the silliest mindset you can have about the math. people who think like this are the once who still believe that 2+2=4.There are magic around and 2+2 can be 3 or 5 or even 777 if you have correct trading mood. woh!

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