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  • #1,701
  • Mar 4, 2023 6:17pm Mar 4, 2023 6:17pm
Quoting ryuryu
Trader must be smart and educated. And he must criticize everything. It is very important to filter all the bullshit around and not allow it to land in your head. Because lie repeated 100 times become true. I'll show you how to detect "not a trader" and skip what such people saying. I can't post in this thread (https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...chman?page=275) because scammers banned me for revealing their lie, so I'll show you here. {image} {quote} 1. "intraday swing trader" - There are no intraday swing traders....
Actually, you can post over there as far as I know. They would love for you to define more of what you mean.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #1,702
  • Mar 5, 2023 7:22am Mar 5, 2023 7:22am
Quoting spzd
{quote} Actually, you can post over there as far as I know. They would love for you to define more of what you mean.
Everything has some meaning or purpose. I don't see any point in discussing trading with people who don't understand anything about it. And even more so to argue with them, proving the obvious things. I don't need it. I only show people that they are being deceived and teach them to skip false information.
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  • #1,703
  • Mar 5, 2023 8:01am Mar 5, 2023 8:01am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Everything has some meaning or purpose. I don't see any point in discussing trading with people who don't understand anything about it. And even more so to argue with them, proving the obvious things. I don't need it. I only show people that they are being deceived and teach them to skip false information.
I commend you for not wanting to argue, however you never back up any claims of what you say. I think the one who lacks in understanding may be yourself. No matter, to each their own.

One trick ponies eventually show their frailties.

Take care

Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #1,704
  • Mar 5, 2023 8:09am Mar 5, 2023 8:09am
Quoting spzd
{quote} I commend you for not wanting to argue, however you never back up any claims of what you say. I think the one who lacks in understanding may be yourself. No matter, to each their own. One trick ponies eventually show their frailties. Take care
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  • #1,705
  • Mar 5, 2023 8:19am Mar 5, 2023 8:19am
Quoting RickM
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That is funny. Not my intent. Truth is I have no contact with the others except in the open.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #1,706
  • Mar 5, 2023 9:02am Mar 5, 2023 9:02am
Quoting spzd
{quote} I commend you for not wanting to argue, however you never back up any claims of what you say. I think the one who lacks in understanding may be yourself. No matter, to each their own. One trick ponies eventually show their frailties. Take care
What claims?

1. I said that there is no volume data on forex. What proof you need?
2. I said that indicator, guy posted, is fake. Because it is impossible to calculate cumulative delta volume on forex. Proofs needed? I described why and how and what. Just read it.
3. I said that it is impossible to outperform algos using drawing tools. Still need proofs?

And many more. What you want me to back up? What is not clear in my posts?

BTW I think you are using wrong word. It is not claim. It is statement.
2+2=4, it is statement. It is not a claim. There is nothing to discuss or dispute here. It is basic math rules.

Same if guy is using cumulative delta indicator or forex then he or scammer or idiot. And here as well there is nothing to discuss.
Or if he is trading 0.5 lots with 2000 balance. Then he is a gambler, or scammer, or idiot. We don't know, but what we know with 100% accuracy that he is definitely not a trader.
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  • #1,707
  • Edited 11:50am Mar 8, 2023 11:30am | Edited 11:50am
+6.23% today on forex
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3 pairs (EU, GU and XAU)

full auto.
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How? Easy. Just math.

No predictions
No news
No fundamentals
No good trader's mood
No psychology
No magic
No fancy colored lines on the chart
No shit
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  • #1,708
  • Mar 8, 2023 6:31pm Mar 8, 2023 6:31pm
Quoting ryuryu
+6.23% today on forex {image} 3 pairs (EU, GU and XAU) full auto. {image} How? Easy. Just math. No predictions No news No fundamentals No good trader's mood No psychology No magic No fancy colored lines on the chart No shit
Hey Ryan, nice Forex result

Thanks for posting your detail trades. Allows me to plot on the chart to study the rationale behind your trades, later today. I assume you're a contrarian trader which is interesting subject for my research. Helps expand the boundaries of my knowledge, always learning. Cheers

One more comment, people have no idea what math trading is like. I prefer to call it objectively quantified trading. Perhaps quant trading for short. People don't realise big data quants have a huge advantage in trading given the info we possess. Cheers
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  • #1,709
  • Mar 8, 2023 7:26pm Mar 8, 2023 7:26pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hey Ryan, nice Forex result Thanks for posting your detail trades. Allows me to plot on the chart to study the rationale behind your trades, later today. I assume you're a contrarian trader which is interesting subject for my research. Helps expand the boundaries of my knowledge, always learning. Cheers One more comment, people have no idea what math trading is like. I prefer to call it objectively quantified trading. Perhaps quant trading for short. People don't realise big data quants have a huge advantage in trading given the info...
Hi BW

Actually we need volatility that causes expansion of price then just take advantage of this move. We could go short or long - doesn’t matter because the result in profits and very similar.
I think it’s bad to label us as contrarian traders because we just trade with market orders as they offer us an edge. Therefore it’s fair to say we are trend traders as we follow market orders always.

There is a trend at the end of a spike, a trend when Delta flips, a trend when a pullback occurs.
You just need to see Bids and Asks create Delta runs on very short time frames.
Actually forget time, we just study market orders so any viewpoint that allows that is fine.

Cheers
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  • #1,710
  • Mar 8, 2023 7:42pm Mar 8, 2023 7:42pm
Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi BW Actually we need volatility that causes expansion of price then just take advantage of this move. We could go short or long - doesn’t matter because the result in profits and very similar. I think it’s bad to label us as contrarian traders because we just trade with market orders as they offer us an edge. Therefore it’s fair to say we are trend traders as we follow market orders always. There is a trend at the end of a spike, a trend when Delta flips, a trend when a pullback occurs. You just need to see Bids and Asks create Delta...
Hi Rick, hope you don't take offence to the word I used. I understand your reservations. On my part, I assumed, but from your explanation I get a much better picture why you see your trades trend following.

Do I agree?
Yes, ofc. In your context.

I'm sure you know why I'm interested in those individual trades. They mark the spots where it showed the quality of market orders that you want to see. I use it to cross check with my stuff. By extension, it gives me a good picture how you trade. With all the required trade metrics which I am curious about. This is a good opportunity for me to do some research. You know I wanted this years ago. Cheers
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  • #1,711
  • Mar 9, 2023 1:12am Mar 9, 2023 1:12am
Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi BW Actually we need volatility that causes expansion of price then just take advantage of this move. We could go short or long - doesn’t matter because the result in profits and very similar. I think it’s bad to label us as contrarian traders because we just trade with market orders as they offer us an edge. Therefore it’s fair to say we are trend traders as we follow market orders always. There is a trend at the end of a spike, a trend when Delta flips, a trend when a pullback occurs. You just need to see Bids and Asks create Delta...
Hi Rick, after studying the trades closely, eventhough I don't get to see the market orders in real time, I get a good grasp of your trading strategy. Let me say this "I'm amazed !" And you, Ryan and whoever else deserve this thumbsup. I'm enlightened. Cheers
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  • #1,712
  • Mar 9, 2023 5:17am Mar 9, 2023 5:17am
Hello RickM,

I will take the chance to clarify some stuff for me and maybe for some other fellow traders that may have the same ???? in their heads.

There most important sentence in this post ,for me, is the following:
------- we just trade with market orders as they offer us an edge. Therefore it’s fair to say we are trend traders as we follow market orders always ----
Based on this statement, that is actually already mentioned before, I have tried to find a way to "follow the market orders"..... so I someone wants to follow the market orders he must "keep an eye" at the T&S of an instrument. So here my example

I chose the APTUSDT instrument since Cryptos have low absorption(Actually because Ryan doesn't trade it a lot so there is enough "juice" left for the masses that I belong to )

I thought : "RickM says follow the market orders .....hmmm what if I make small reports every 10 seconds of what has happened at the T&S like this one:
Ticks DeltaVolume Volume BuySellTradesRatio NumOfTrades. Time
+10. +3400. 5600 +0,42 165 09:05:10
-14. -67 308 -0,04 44 09:05:20
+3. -402 1008 -0,23 112 09:05:30
........

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Then I thought ok ' follow the market orders", scratched again my head and thought I guess that means that: if for 20 seconds the DeltaVolume positive (above average) and the Number of trades are "a lot" (above average) and the "BuySellTradesRation positive and above average then I should follow this stream. Then I think "PERFECT". This is my "GreenMomentum". "This is what he means Follow the market orders" ... Everything "positive" GREEN .

BUT what happens then after 20 Seconds is that this momentum doesn't continue ....some times the "GreenMomentum" becomes neutral sometimes it flips to negative and then again Green and the story goes on." What I want to say... is that if in the last 20 seconds you have green Momentum and you want to follow this Momentum because this is my interpretation of following the Market Orders....... that is not guaranteeing that the Momentum will continue green the next 20,40,60.... seconds....
So I scratch again my hairfull head and think again...: "What does following the market orders mean". And since I don 't have you next to me to get an answer here I ask you for a "baby definition" of the statement follow Market Orders by looking T&S...

Any practical example would be really helpful for me and maybe for other VolumetoTryingToBeTraders.

Thanks in advance for your time RickM

Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi BW Actually we need volatility that causes expansion of price then just take advantage of this move. We could go short or long - doesn’t matter because the result in profits and very similar. I think it’s bad to label us as contrarian traders because we just trade with market orders as they offer us an edge. Therefore it’s fair to say we are trend traders as we follow market orders always. There is a trend at the end of a spike, a trend when Delta flips, a trend when a pullback occurs. You just need to see Bids and Asks create Delta runs...
  • #1,713
  • Mar 9, 2023 7:43am Mar 9, 2023 7:43am
Quoting papadas
Hello RickM, I will take the chance to clarify some stuff for me and maybe for some other fellow traders that may have the same ???? in their heads. There most important sentence in this post ,for me, is the following: ------- we just trade with market orders as they offer us an edge. Therefore it’s fair to say we are trend traders as we follow market orders always ---- Based on this statement, that is actually already mentioned before, I have tried to find a way to "follow the market orders"..... so I someone wants to follow the market orders he...
Hi Papadas

Your'e a persistent little bugger.

Did you ever see the movie when you were a young child - " The wonderful Wizard of oz""
In that movie, we were presented with a story that included a route that takes Dorothy, Tin Woodman, the Cowardly Lion etc. down the yellow brick road.

I always talk about following Market Orders that is true, but what direction does Market Orders follow?.

Thats the direction Order flow traders should be focussing on, Market Orders just follow this route.
Without knowing this, its bloody hard work reading numbers that seem erratic.

I'll PM you in the weekend to tell you where they are going so you can put on your little red shoes and get trading.

Just keep your trap shut or else the lazy bastards on Forex Factory may get a free ride.
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  • #1,714
  • Mar 9, 2023 8:18am Mar 9, 2023 8:18am
''Your'e a persistent little bugger.'' --> undeniably TRUE

''Thats the direction Order flow traders should be focussing on, Market Orders just follow this route.
Without knowing this, it's bloody hard work reading numbers that seem erratic.'' --->Scratching of my head lately hasn't produced any significant progress + Need to print this statement for my wife as excuse for the nights digging in the excellent sheets + scratching my head

''I'll PM you in the weekend to tell you where they are going so you can put on your little red shoes and get trading.'' --> Appreciated

Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi Papadas Your'e a persistent little bugger. Did you ever see the movie when you were a young child - " The wonderful Wizard of oz"" In that movie, we were presented with a story that included a route that takes Dorothy, Tin Woodman, the Cowardly Lion etc. down the yellow brick road. I always talk about following Market Orders that is true, but what direction does Market Orders follow?. Thats the direction Order flow traders should be focussing on, Market Orders just follow this route. Without knowing this, its bloody hard work reading...
  • #1,715
  • Mar 9, 2023 8:53am Mar 9, 2023 8:53am
Hey guys, hope u are all doing well.
I've been a breakeven/losing trader the past 5 years.. I have learnt alot, but i guess i need to learn even more to be profitable.

So i took this trade today, ending up to be a loser now, why is this trade bad? Rejecting HOD, clean possible movement down.. And strong resistance..
Thanks!
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  • #1,716
  • Edited 12:11pm Mar 9, 2023 11:57am | Edited 12:11pm
Quoting dinpappa
Hey guys, hope u are all doing well. I've been a breakeven/losing trader the past 5 years.. I have learnt alot, but i guess i need to learn even more to be profitable. So i took this trade today, ending up to be a loser now, why is this trade bad? Rejecting HOD, clean possible movement down.. And strong resistance.. Thanks! {image}
Hi!
All I can say, that you are using some words in your post that are not True. I mean you have no data to say it.

What is rejecting HOD?
What is possible movement down?
What is strong resistance?

All you have on your chart is Open, High, Close and Low values. How the heck you see "strong" resistance using the data you have?

For example if you want to see your rejecting HOD you must show us the orderbook with a huge wall or sells.
If you say about possible movement down you must show us the delta (imbalance) of buys and sells
If you say about strong resistance - again, the orderbook.

That's why we are not using OHLC data to trade. We are using volume data. Because only the volume tells us the truth.

Also, if you are using words like "possible", "may be", "i think", "I hope", "pray" and other things that mean you DON'T know. You're trying to guess, to anticipate. And in trading it is not necessary, trading is numbers. The numbers don't lie.

If you want to use candlestick then at least add to your chart some moving averages. At least you will see the "ma order". I call it so.
Ma order is very powerful thing. It shows you the context. And also. If you are trading forex DO NOT trade against the trend. Like do not piss against the wind. It is very dangerous and all the realize that "all tricks are performed by professional stuntmen". When you see my counter trend trades (yes, I'm trading in most cases agains the trend) - you must understand that I have A LOT OF MATH under the hood. And my bots are smarter than 99% of "traders" here. Do not do it until you master trend trading.

for example today I made
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How I did it?

Easy. Just check the dashboard. If at least 10 coins has "short" ma order, then go long on the asset with biggest volume and biggest distance.
This is very simple approach and it always works. No need to guess.

Pick one approach and master it. Do not jump from one strategy to another. That is the key. When you will master one then you can try another.
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  • #1,717
  • Mar 9, 2023 12:15pm Mar 9, 2023 12:15pm
Quoting BWilliam
And you, Ryan and whoever else deserve this thumbsup. I'm enlightened. Cheers
Heh, thanks for you kind words my friend!
We are working hard to master the delta volume approach. It is not easy, and it is very complicated task I must say. But it is the only way to win on that market. We are like that fish that attaches itself to the shark, where shark is a big player.
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  • #1,718
  • Mar 9, 2023 1:32pm Mar 9, 2023 1:32pm
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Hi! All I can say, that you are using some words in your post that are not True. I mean you have no data to say it. What is rejecting HOD? What is possible movement down? What is strong resistance? All you have on your chart is Open, High, Close and Low values. How the heck you see "strong" resistance using the data you have? For example if you want to see your rejecting HOD you must show us the orderbook with a huge wall or sells. If you say about possible movement down you must show us the delta (imbalance) of buys and sells If you say...
Hi ryuryu

I think i can answer your question about resistance and support. You have asked that question many times and i am sure that you know the answer but i am here converting thoughts into words. Strong support and resistance are the areas where price stopped and returned back.
So those areas in future are HOPE areas where traders expect that price will stop again. So in other words these areas are HOPE for traders.
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  • #1,719
  • Edited 7:58pm Mar 9, 2023 6:56pm | Edited 7:58pm
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Hi! All I can say, that you are using some words in your post that are not True. I mean you have no data to say it. What is rejecting HOD? What is possible movement down? What is strong resistance? All you have on your chart is Open, High, Close and Low values. How the heck you see "strong" resistance using the data you have? For example if you want to see your rejecting HOD you must show us the orderbook with a huge wall or sells. If you say about possible movement down you must show us the delta (imbalance) of buys and sells If you say...
Hi Ryan, you have repeated your criticism of traditional technical analysis for years now. Your history post dates back to many years when you brought this matter up on Andy's discussion thread. You have also posted pictures to explain clearly the point that you try to make. All this I write can be checked against Ryan's post history.

Despite your continuous efforts of good intent, highlighting specific technical trading matter, its been time and time again brushed off, and turned into forum politics by the same people. Dismissing the specific trading matter you brought up.

You can ask this direct question at Pete a million times, which you were persistent with. You clearly put him in an uncomfortable spot. Don't expect a direct trading answer. It'll be another forum politics response. I'm sure you know him by now.

Here's at the crux of this controversy. Ryan used the word liar.

Here's a bigger controversy. I agree.

Ryan knows as well as I know, 99.999% of the traders lie to themselves when confronted with difficult technical trading questions. Ryan's questions is the type of question that scrutinise technical analysis in detail. No lying. No deflecting to forum politics.

Ryan told you, you lied to yourself. Your repeated this lie on FF. You persisted to force this lie unto reading members on FF. That's what he meant. And I agree. On this technical aspect of trading.

I had hoped somewhere along the line someone will step up to directly answer Ryan's criticism. None was forthcoming. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

Makes me wonder, does this entire forum fail to understand the technical aspect that Ryan brought up repeatedly? Mass hynoticism on an adult forum?

I have directly answered Bluesteele post which asked for explanation of my infamous post. I cannot lie pertaining to technical matters of trading, no matter the consequence.

Ryan, I am banned from posting of Andy's thread. I think this post is suitable on your thread that do you justice. If you decide its inappropriate, let me know, I delete.

Ryan, the only thing I disagree with you is why waste your precious time bring this up everytime. Let the blind remain blind. Its their preferred choice. You shouldn't be surprise how the "herd" thinks. Cheers
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  • #1,720
  • Edited 10:57pm Mar 9, 2023 10:47pm | Edited 10:57pm
Quoting aahmad29
{quote} Hi ryuryu I think i can answer your question about resistance and support. You have asked that question many times and i am sure that you know the answer but i am here converting thoughts into words. Strong support and resistance are the areas where price stopped and returned back. So those areas in future are HOPE areas where traders expect that price will stop again. So in other words these areas are HOPE for traders.
No. Support and resistance are NOT the points on the historical charts. You can say AFTER that it hopefully WAS. But in a moment (live) you can't say it. I have explained it many times. Hide the candles or the right and answer yourself a question what is the difference. Also remember that ANY impact can change the direction on the market. I saw it million times when your 10$ trade can trigger stop loss cascade/ Unfortunately if you say what you say that mean you don't understand how market works and your head is full of forex fairy tales. Years and decades of same shit repeated million times made it. I recommend clean your mind and forget all that bullshit.

For example
Quoting aahmad29
areas where traders expect that price will stop again. So in other words these areas are HOPE for traders.
This is the biggest mistake. Traders don't hope. There are no traders who will jump into the trade because of some global hope. Price moves ONLY because of market orders executed and because stops are triggered. No other power moves it.


Quoting BWilliam
Ryan, the only thing I disagree with you is why waste your precious time bring this up everytime. Let the blind remain blind. Its their preferred choice. You shouldn't be surprise how the "herd" thinks. Cheers
Yeah you are absolutely right my friend. Let them draw their fancy colored lines and think they see support and resistance using drawing tools.
In fact it is good. Because they pay us our trading salaries
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