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  • #581
  • Mar 13, 2022 7:46pm Mar 13, 2022 7:46pm
Not here to "disturb the peace". Every single thread is the same, whatever the topic or title says. The landscape of the world you're playing on is not forex factory or any other site. If you think from "topic to topic" you'll always be behind the curve. Go ask any decent surfer, they will say basically the same thing ..... "gotta read the wave otherwise you'll miss it."

Anyways, I genuinely do hope your trading goes well.


Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #582
  • Mar 13, 2022 7:50pm Mar 13, 2022 7:50pm
Quoting kk100
{quote} I just don't understand the meaning of those post, they are so wide and circles around sun far as pluto or neptunus they are dim and pixelated. Good if you can clearly understand those. I rather "like" writings of Carl Sagan or Richard Feynman or Richard Dawkins, Alan Watts. Ali-G, Borat. They can explain things very simply and short way, makes me think they really know the subject what they are speaking, because they can explain things for common man who don't understand phenomenon.


Usually they oversimplify to "help people catch up". Mainly because people are lazy and/or less motivated than those people you mentioned...... the mature serious ones anyway. Just something to consider.


Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #583
  • Edited 10:15pm Mar 13, 2022 10:04pm | Edited 10:15pm
Quoting PeterCaleb
Not here to "disturb the peace". Every single thread is the same, whatever the topic or title says. The landscape of the world you're playing on is not forex factory or any other site. If you think from "topic to topic" you'll always be behind the curve. Go ask any decent surfer, they will say basically the same thing ..... "gotta read the wave otherwise you'll miss it."
Mebbe catching the wave ahead of any 'decent surfer' is the key, Peter, anyway good luck to you buddy, good post.

EDIT: Surfing is a lot of fun, be wary of the sharks tho : )
"Don't Shoot Me I'm Only the Piano Player"
  • #584
  • Mar 13, 2022 10:32pm Mar 13, 2022 10:32pm
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} Usually they oversimplify to "help people catch up". Mainly because people are lazy and/or less motivated than those people you mentioned...... the mature serious ones anyway. Just something to consider. Peter

If you have read production of Richard Dawkins, he really don't oversimplified. and your output is full of garbage, long babble nonsense.
Like many scientist, they can explain things very simple way, because they understand it, but you write trillion lines of BS.
I dont want discuss this here, because i feel Ryan is allready angry about mine and your posts.
have you seen famous formula of Albert E. Evolution and physical world try to use energy most "cost" effective way thats why many thing in nature is simple
which expands wider and bigger.
  • #585
  • Edited 11:21pm Mar 13, 2022 10:57pm | Edited 11:21pm
Quoting kk100
{quote} If you have read production of Richard Dawkins, he really don't oversimplified. and your output is full of garbage, long babble nonsense. Like many scientist, they can explain things very simple way, because they understand it, but you write trillion lines of BS. I dont want discuss this here, because i feel Ryan is allready angry about mine and your posts. have you seen famous formula of Albert E. Evolution and physical world try to use energy most "cost" effective way thats why many thing in nature is simple which expands wider and bigger....
Who's Ryan? This author: Dr Ryan Jones' book, p4: "Money management". ? I don't know, just guessing.
"Don't Shoot Me I'm Only the Piano Player"
  • #586
  • Mar 13, 2022 11:20pm Mar 13, 2022 11:20pm
Quoting yani38
{quote} Who's Ryan?
Look at the first sentence of this thread
Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
  • #587
  • Mar 13, 2022 11:38pm Mar 13, 2022 11:38pm
Quoting kk100
{quote} If you have read production of Richard Dawkins, he really don't oversimplified. and your output is full of garbage, long babble nonsense. Like many scientist, they can explain things very simple way, because they understand it, but you write trillion lines of BS. I dont want discuss this here, because i feel Ryan is allready angry about mine and your posts. have you seen famous formula of Albert E. Evolution and physical world try to use energy most "cost" effective way thats why many thing in nature is simple which expands wider and bigger....


"Nothing venture, nothing gained."

You can't teach a child to run if they believe they don't have legs to stand on. I guess because it costs you nothing to call "bullshit" and that apparently shows intelligence. Mmmm. To me, it only proves you have much to learn about Life, the sciences and people and everything in the middle. Anyway I'm sure Ryan knows where he's heading with his work. I hope he does well with it. Maybe then he can grow out of "all this" that you all seem to hold to dear to your hearts.

Have fun

Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #588
  • Mar 14, 2022 1:16am Mar 14, 2022 1:16am
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} "Nothing venture, nothing gained." You can't teach a child to run if they believe they don't have legs to stand on. I guess because it costs you nothing to call "bullshit" and that apparently shows intelligence. Mmmm. To me, it only proves you have much to learn about Life, the sciences and people and everything in the middle.
You missed your calling Pete, a Prophet mebbe, but an Evangelist no doubt. No malice, and interesting to read.

Again, good luck, most of us make our own : )
"Don't Shoot Me I'm Only the Piano Player"
  • #589
  • Mar 14, 2022 1:38am Mar 14, 2022 1:38am
People say market is random. It is not. What moves the market?

There are 2 types of orders around: market and limit. Limit orders are "I with to buy at / I wish to sell at". Market orders are "I'm byuing/selling NOW at the best matched price".

What is best matched price? It is nearest limit order. For example if you want to buy 100 contracts at 1000 price, then you can have 80 of them at 999, and 20 more at 998. Because fist found limit order at 999 was only 80 contracts size. So your market order proceed deeper.

What are stop losses? They are market orders. Once price triggered they act like market orders searching for the opposite limit order to get filled.


Question: how many sell orders you must fill (buy) to empty all the orderbook till 1700?

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Please answer this simple question and I'll tell you more how market works.
Observer effect
  • #590
  • Mar 14, 2022 2:09am Mar 14, 2022 2:09am
Question: how many sell orders you must fill (buy) to empty all the orderbook till 1700? {image} Please answer this simple question and I'll tell you more how market works.[/quote]

Hi Ryan, 15 sell orders need to be filled to get to 1700, right?
  • #591
  • Edited 4:47am Mar 14, 2022 2:20am | Edited 4:47am
Quoting MatCHaa
Hi Ryan, 15 sell orders need to be filled to get to 1700, right?
Check this. There are some stops also. They are free fuel for you.

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So to move the price to 1700+ all you need is to buy 3 (1 and 2). Then stop will be triggered and it will fill next 7 (3 and 4). But there are no 15 it total, so it will go higher and trigger 55 stop. 15-3=12. 12+55=67. In this case at 1450 we have 67 contracts to be filled higher. But as you see higher there are only 6. So price will go much higher that 1700.
Observer effect
  • #592
  • Mar 14, 2022 2:56am Mar 14, 2022 2:56am
Great information Ryan.

This information won't be appreciated by Volume deniers.
You don't need millions of dollars to move the market, you only need one modest size order.

Now, some may start thinking some Algo is in charge of moving the market against the herd - NO just one trader using "fill or Kill" orders can destroy thousands of traders with one mouse click.

Ask yourself the question, what is the purpose of those big wicks on candles that sit on the top of a most moves?

They are searching for the trigger to move the market at almost no expense.
Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
  • #593
  • Mar 14, 2022 3:59am Mar 14, 2022 3:59am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Hi Ryan, 15 sell orders need to be filled to get to 1700, right?
Check this. [/quote]

Wait a minute... I do not get it …
I am rather slow thinker, so please some understanding , with this naïve question…you guys are saying STOP LOSSes are not shown in order book?
  • #594
  • Edited 4:50am Mar 14, 2022 4:39am | Edited 4:50am
Quoting BlackNapkins
Wait a minute... I do not get it … I am rather slow thinker, so please some understanding , with this naïve question…you guys are saying STOP LOSSes are not shown in order book?
Joined Jan 2016



Stop orders are market orders. Limit orders are "I wish to buy at", they are shown in orderbook. Market orders are "I want to buy now with immediate execution", so they can't be shown in the orderbook. They doesn't exist. They exist only when someone click the button.

That is the basics. Market works this way. Always. There are no exceptions. Only market and limit orders. Only hardcore
Observer effect
  • #595
  • Mar 14, 2022 4:42am Mar 14, 2022 4:42am
Quoting RickM
Great information Ryan. This information won't be appreciated by Volume deniers. You don't need millions of dollars to move the market, you only need one modest size order. Now, some may start thinking some Algo is in charge of moving the market against the herd - NO just one trader using "fill or Kill" orders can destroy thousands of traders with one mouse click. Ask yourself the question, what is the purpose of those big wicks on candles that sit on the top of a most moves? They are searching for the trigger to move the market at almost no expense....


Whatever level of trader you are, this is where you need to start. Those spikes are where you offer up or bid it down "to get in". It's where every single order type can be filled. The problem with you data traders is, you need "facts" to tell you what the rest of the market with experience is already working with. If you think your order cannot be filled at such a wayward price, then you do it yourself. No need to be a broker. "The market needs orders to feed." Ever heard that before? Either - your brokerage fills it, your upstream POP or LP does it, a MM does it, or you double deal, where you use another broker to fill at that price. It's been done since the inception of financial markets, it's legal and it gets the job done minus the BS beginners waste countless hours arguing about. There'a a lesson for you.

Website traders don't do it or even know how to ...... now you do. Markets don't wait. They do. You'll probably find all your cute little stories have a tiddly-too of factual reality to them at the end of the day. But there it is. Enjoy. A 1HR edge into a 15min into a 1min or 15 cycle tick chart. Very simple. Technology cannot "change" that, apart from using it for nefarious purposes.


Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #596
  • Mar 14, 2022 4:59am Mar 14, 2022 4:59am
Quoting PeterCaleb
upstream POP or LP
Quoting PeterCaleb
MM
Quoting PeterCaleb
another broker to fill
Quoting PeterCaleb
inception of financial markets
Quoting PeterCaleb
BS beginners
Quoting PeterCaleb
Website traders
Quoting PeterCaleb
factual reality
Quoting PeterCaleb
1HR edge into a 15min into a 1min or 15 cycle tick chart


- What is the difference between market and limit orders?
- Emmm... eeehhh... I don't know (registered 10+ years ago)
Observer effect
  • #597
  • Mar 14, 2022 5:10am Mar 14, 2022 5:10am
Ryan

FYI.

remember come back from siesta one hour earlier, its summer time in U.S
and your favorite trading time zone.
  • #598
  • Mar 14, 2022 5:32am Mar 14, 2022 5:32am
Hi Ryan
can u please explain on this
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  • #599
  • Mar 14, 2022 5:39am Mar 14, 2022 5:39am
Quoting venkatredy
Hi Ryan can u please explain on this {image}
Higher the current price there are limit orders for sell, and stops for buy positions. Lower - limit buys and stop for short positions.
You can see only limit orders both sides. And with limit depth. For example last 25, or 100.

This picture is wrong. How can sell limit order make the price fall down? We need market buy to fill it first. Then price will go HIGHER. Not lower. Or will stay at that level, if the amount of market buy is smaller than that limit sell order.

Where you get all that fancy pictures? I already explained how market works
Observer effect
  • #600
  • Mar 14, 2022 5:39am Mar 14, 2022 5:39am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} {quote} {quote} {quote} {quote} {quote} {quote} {quote} - What is the difference between market and limit orders? - Emmm... eeehhh... I don't know (registered 10+ years ago)


PeterCaleb - joined Nov 2020.

Try to think before you do something. It's right there at the top. I dooon't think I'm the one with the problem. I merely see a huge trend in people these days - "I'm a modern person and I know everything. Everyone just has an opinion, and again, I know everything." Oh yes, I understand now. Need an EA because learning is too hard. A real shame. I thought I was contributing.... you know coz you wanna improve. Hehehe my mistake. It reminds me of Oliver Twist ...... Oliver being the trader and "Sir" being the man ..... "Please sir, please fill my order ....". WoooooW ! I really don't know what planet some people are on. OK enjoy the turnip spinning.

Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
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