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  • #501
  • Feb 24, 2022 2:31pm Feb 24, 2022 2:31pm
Today was +10.39% in BTC

I have finished my python bot and was trading only using it.

The benefits from trading with bot is that on crypto I have to use limit orders for entry and for exit. So if I go short, for example, I have to place my limit sell post-only at ask. And move it if the price change. It is very complicated to click on the price, click cancel, then click sell etc. Bot do it fast and with no emotions. Also it place exit orders immediately with no time lag (1 second max).

But I'm too dumb and failed to make it for USDT pairs, because the API for inverse perpetual and for USDT perpetual are different. And since I don't know how python works I can't make simple tasks... ooh. Read all the stackoverlow today

I really need to learn python. So I'll hire a teacher next week, because I feel that my knowledge are about zero. It is very good to adapt some code from the web or to code pine script indicators, but to make more complicated thing it is not enough.
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  • #502
  • Feb 25, 2022 6:00am Feb 25, 2022 6:00am
Quoting ryuryu
Today was +10.39% in BTC I have finished my python bot and was trading only using it. The benefits from trading with bot is that on crypto I have to use limit orders for entry and for exit. So if I go short, for example, I have to place my limit sell post-only at ask. And move it if the price change. It is very complicated to click on the price, click cancel, then click sell etc. Bot do it fast and with no emotions. Also it place exit orders immediately with no time lag (1 second max). But I'm too dumb and failed to make it for USDT pairs, because...
Hello ryuryu, I can help you with your bot.
I've been following you and this thread for a while and I'm interested in learning this method of trading, I can program your bot and teach you how i did it in exchange of your "mentorship".

I can't message you on the forum because I'm still a junior member but we can chat through another service like discord.
By the way, I'm from Spain so language is not going to be a barrier.
  • #503
  • Edited 3:59pm Feb 25, 2022 3:40pm | Edited 3:59pm
Quoting VictorFXM
{quote} Hello ryuryu, I can help you with your bot. I've been following you and this thread for a while and I'm interested in learning this method of trading, I can program your bot and teach you how i did it in exchange of your "mentorship". I can't message you on the forum because I'm still a junior member but we can chat through another service like discord. By the way, I'm from Spain so language is not going to be a barrier.

Great! Feel free to join my discord trading room

Today I made +1.6% trading with bot

+0.01% Short
+0.02% Short
+0.01% Short
+0.24% Short
+0.08% Short
+0.31% Short
+0.15% Short
+0.03% Short
+0.03% Short
+0.07% Short
+0.02% Short
+0.01% Short
+0.06% Short
+0.01% Short
+0.01% Short
+0.03% Short
+0.35% Short
+0.11% Short
+0.02% Short
+0.01% Short
+0.01% Short

As you see the profits are small, but they are risk-free and automatic.

What bot can do? It can open the trades on BTC long or short, enter the trade using post-only limit orders, re-create them if price changes, set limit post-only reduce only take profits, move them, add more to positions, check balance, margin, profit etc.

What I want to add to it: open the trade on USDT pairs, open the trades using tradingview webhooks. I have very cool set of indicators I made myself, they produce signals using volume delta data. Now I run my bot manually after signal comes. But I want to run it using tradingview webhooks. Or, I can make the same using ta-lib library in python, but I think it is more complicated. Better to let tradingview pinescript produce signals and python bot to manage the trades.
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  • #504
  • Feb 26, 2022 4:22am Feb 26, 2022 4:22am
Want to say many thanks to VictorFXM
He is great professional. He explained me how to fix the issue with my python code in 2 minutes. And now I can trade USDT pairs as well
I was hitting the wall with my head for 2 days, but it was so easy


And the results are:

+19.42% on XRPUSDT

(all trades was short, since the 1h and higher is bear).

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  • #505
  • Feb 26, 2022 3:47pm Feb 26, 2022 3:47pm
+21.83% today
not bad

You say it is Saturday. Yeah. But crypto never sleeps and such a greedy trader like me can't miss to earn few bucks

+19.42% XRPUSDTShort
+0.02% XRPUSDTShort
+0.15% XRPUSDTShort
+0.13% XRPUSDTShort
-0.18% code error (was playing with bot and made wrong logic)
+0.01% XRPUSDTShort
+0.01% XRPUSDTShort
+0.25% XRPUSDTShort
+0.03% XRPUSDTShort
+0.03% XRPUSDTShort
+0.17% XRPUSDTShort
+0.06% XRPUSDTShort
+0.04% XRPUSDTShort
+0.05% XRPUSDTShort
+0.02% XRPUSDTShort
+0.03% XRPUSDTShort
+0.72% XRPUSDTShort
+0.01% XRPUSDTShort
+0.06% XRPUSDTShort
+0.39% XRPUSDTShort
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  • #506
  • Feb 26, 2022 6:45pm Feb 26, 2022 6:45pm
Quoting ryuryu
+21.83% today not bad You say it is Saturday. Yeah. But crypto never sleeps and such a greedy trader like me can't miss to earn few bucks +19.42% XRPUSDTShort +0.02% XRPUSDTShort +0.15% XRPUSDTShort +0.13% XRPUSDTShort -0.18% code error (was playing with bot and made wrong logic) +0.01% XRPUSDTShort +0.01% XRPUSDTShort +0.25% XRPUSDTShort +0.03% XRPUSDTShort +0.03% XRPUSDTShort +0.17% XRPUSDTShort +0.06% XRPUSDTShort +0.04% XRPUSDTShort +0.05% XRPUSDTShort +0.02% XRPUSDTShort +0.03% XRPUSDTShort +0.72%...
You know the only thing that stops Ryan from earning even more dollars out of Crypto is the man has to sleep.

The power of understanding that trading is incredibly simple if we just trust the herd, and follow them using delta signals blindly without hesitation or delay.
The problem is not determining whether its a good signal or not, the issue is speed of execution to get the trade on the market as quick as possible.

"Sheep follow blindly, we are not supposed to be sheep" Author David Baldacci

As a liquidity trader chasing imbalances, that statement is wrong on many levels.
We should join the largest flock of sheep we can see as quick as humanly possible, and get out before the sheep dogs see us running the wrong way.
A bot can helps us do that far quicker.
Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
  • #507
  • Feb 26, 2022 8:56pm Feb 26, 2022 8:56pm
Lots of people know lots about lots of things but lots of stuff is stuff that ends up in lots.

Trading of anything needs a 2 way street, otherwise, it's no longer trading, it's stealing. So maybe some people should speak the truth about these subjects instead of misleading people.

Quotes about sheep or people, always need 2 or more contexts otherwise it's just a lie.

One person's "idea" of 'with the herd' is another's idea of against the geo-political landscape projection (No ... I'm not referring to "fundamantals" as some small minded people would think). How about we try turning our charts inverted re: the instrument base and see the quoter as the base and NOW, we see who's the herd and who's the contrarian. It's always funny to watch people be gulled in by something. Having mothballs for brains is no excuse for believing BS.

By the way Ryan, sincerely, well done on your 5% per day target. It's achievable and has always been achievable. Now I wonder where I read that ?!
Hehehehehehehe.

Have fun and I hope you continue to enjoy your trading.


Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #508
  • Edited 3:11am Feb 27, 2022 1:58am | Edited 3:11am
Quoting PeterCaleb
Lots of people know lots about lots of things but lots of stuff is stuff that ends up in lots. Trading of anything needs a 2 way street, otherwise, it's no longer trading, it's stealing. So maybe some people should speak the truth about these subjects instead of misleading people. Quotes about sheep or people, always need 2 or more contexts otherwise it's just a lie. One person's "idea" of 'with the herd' is another's idea of against the geo-political landscape projection (No ... I'm not referring to "fundamantals" as some small minded people would...
Hi Peter!
5% daily achievable for sure, but not every day. It depends on market conditions and account size. But my mistrust about 5% daily was not because of that, but because of people's approach used for trading. If some use algo on 1m tf, or even if he trade it manually using imbalance issue - it is achievable. If guy say he is trading 4h and daily drawing lines on the chart thinking they are support and resistance - it is not. Just because the higher tf the lower the entry size and the slower the trades. And there are 1 trading situation per week.

Little example: check the distance here (% and lines)
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It is 0.1% today. Now. Yesterday it was 0.16%, 2 days back it was 0.26%

That is dynamic TP values. For every pair you like. No need of manual adjustments. They vary depending on market conditions.
Now tell me how 99% people set TP here on FF? Approximately. Let's say 50 pips. Or 75, or 100. But market don't care about you lovely numbers. If its range is 34 points it will never do 50. Even if you like number 5 very much.
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  • #509
  • Feb 27, 2022 4:14am Feb 27, 2022 4:14am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Hi Peter! 5% daily achievable for sure, but not every day. It depends on market conditions and account size. But my mistrust about 5% daily was not because of that, but because of people's approach used for trading. If some use algo on 1m tf, or even if he trade it manually using imbalance issue - it is achievable. If guy say he is trading 4h and daily drawing lines on the chart thinking they are support and resistance - it is not. Just because the higher tf the lower the entry size and the slower the trades. And there are 1 trading situation...



Ryan,

Fair enough. What I will say in response here is this and I apologize in advance if this sounds a little childish - stop for a second trying to think like a 'modern day person'. If I were guiding you, I would say this - go outside and find yourself a tree. Not just any tree, a tree that has been there for years. This simple example, analogy and exercise will teach you more about trading than any floozy on these sites. It's not about maths etc, it's about learning to appreciate what's not on the page/chart.

Here's a fun fact - If I trade something I don't stare at the ADR or STD etc, then be dictated by it. No. I look around the corner to see what else is there. A strong healthy living tree that has withstood many years, seasons and attacks, survives because it knows how to overlap its use with its gains. This is how and why we see the rings in its trunk after we cut it away. Understand?

It has layers on layers of branches, twigs, leaves and then more and more branches, more rings and still more branches and twigs and leaves.

Will that activity going on, in all those directions, simultaneously, a tree doesn't "know" how tall it is it just "is". So a straight line of 50 pips is not 50 pips. It's one option for how to see it. It is very possible AND doable to gauge at least triple that 50 pips from what you said. However, linear thinking can never get you there. Most people don't "get it" because they use a chart and not their head space.


I hope that helps.


Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #510
  • Feb 27, 2022 4:18am Feb 27, 2022 4:18am
To add here, chart circumstances are the last thing to exist, so even on "flat days", either you're a victim of circumstance, or, you find better ways to appreciate what the markets you trade are offering.

That's my input here.

Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #511
  • Feb 27, 2022 5:11am Feb 27, 2022 5:11am
If you were able to trade crypto then we could make simple tournament. Crypto is perfect because you can see via API all the trades. And there is no need to have stupid mt4 for that. Then we would see what the trees know
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  • #512
  • Edited 5:29am Feb 27, 2022 5:17am | Edited 5:29am
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} Ryan, Fair enough. What I will say in response here is this and I apologize in advance if this sounds a little childish - stop for a second trying to think like a 'modern day person'. If I were guiding you, I would say this - go outside and find yourself a tree. Not just any tree, a tree that has been there for years. This simple example, analogy and exercise will teach you more about trading than any floozy on these sites. It's not about maths etc, it's about learning to appreciate what's not on the page/chart. Here's a fun fact - If I...
I see that you think differently in the field of trading, it always piques my interest.
please write more about trading. for example, what do you think about the central impact of the USD.generally.
  • #513
  • Feb 27, 2022 5:41am Feb 27, 2022 5:41am
Quoting ryuryu
Then we would see what the trees know
Lol
  • #514
  • Feb 27, 2022 6:01am Feb 27, 2022 6:01am
Quoting tiborf71
{quote} I see that you think differently in the field of trading, it always piques my interest. please write more about trading. for example, what do you think about the central impact of the USD.generally.
Man I have a little dumb head and just there is no place for many things. For example I don't read news. And I don't use geopolitics, gossips and even I know nothing about crypto asset I trade. If I want to watch something I'd better watch Boba Fett or Peacemaker shows.

For example I was 100% sure that you need to short Russian stock market. But how that knowledge can help if they restrict shorts and stop the exchange at all? This all good for big fat traders. May be. Not for us.

All we have is to exploit market imbalances. That is only way to survive.

But hey who am I to tell you how to trade? I might be wrong
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  • #515
  • Feb 27, 2022 7:02am Feb 27, 2022 7:02am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Man I have a little dumb head and just there is no place for many things. For example I don't read news. And I don't use geopolitics, gossips and even I know nothing about crypto asset I trade. If I want to watch something I'd better watch Boba Fett or Peacemaker shows. For example I was 100% sure that you need to short Russian stock market. But how that knowledge can help if they restrict shorts and stop the exchange at all? This all good for big fat traders. May be. Not for us. All we have is to exploit market imbalances. That is only...
I watch the herd and wait for the right moment to get out of the herd.

we are probably trading in a completely different time zone.
and we are on a completely different strategy.and other means.
good luck.
  • #516
  • Feb 27, 2022 7:32am Feb 27, 2022 7:32am
Quoting tiborf71
{quote} I see that you think differently in the field of trading, it always piques my interest. please write more about trading. for example, what do you think about the central impact of the USD.generally.
His thread Objective Thinking and Trading might help you understand how he thinks/views the market and life
  • #517
  • Feb 27, 2022 8:56am Feb 27, 2022 8:56am
Quoting Kefada
{quote} His thread Objective Thinking and Trading might help you understand how he thinks/views the market and life
There are no numbers, no math. Only blah-blah-blah. I don't believe that if you want to succeed in trading it is enough to say "I'm successful trader" every day at front of the mirror. So thank you for the link, but I shall pass

BTW today it is only +1.68%

So 5% daily is not reached

+0.23% XRPUSDT Short
+0.27% XRPUSDT Short
+0.30% XRPUSDT Short
+0.07% XRPUSDT Short
+0.02% XRPUSDT Short
+0.02% XRPUSDT Short
+0.03% XRPUSDT Short
+0.02% XRPUSDT Short
+0.14% XRPUSDT Short
+0.22% XRPUSDT Short
+0.06% XRPUSDT Long
+0.01% XRPUSDT Long
+0.01% XRPUSDT Long
+0.01% XRPUSDT Short
+0.02% XRPUSDT Long
-0.01% XRPUSDT Long code err
+0.00% XRPUSDT Short
+0.02% XRPUSDT Short
+0.03% XRPUSDT Short
+0.08% XRPUSDT Short
+0.08% XRPUSDT Short
+0.01% XRPUSDT Long
+0.01% XRPUSDT Short
+0.01% XRPUSDT Short

BTW today was the first day my friends in discord group started their crypto journey and made few profitable trades using imbalance volume delta approach
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  • #518
  • Feb 27, 2022 9:07am Feb 27, 2022 9:07am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} There are no numbers, no math. Only blah-blah-blah. I don't believe that if you want to succeed in trading it is enough to say "I'm successful trader" every day at front of the mirror. So thank you for the link, but I shall pass
Yeah you are right

Can I have the link to the discord group
  • #519
  • Feb 27, 2022 12:05pm Feb 27, 2022 12:05pm
it is +2% exactly today, few more trades were made.

+0.05% XRPUSDT Short
+0.26%XRPUSDT Short

A lot of people think I'm very smart and great trader. I am not.
I must say that all that happening because one trader shared with me his approach. He asked me not to mention him on forum. So no names. But that was the point. I just created the environment around: created indicators for tradingview and several python bots to help in trading.

Me myself not smart but dumb. I spent tons on money and time for that OHCL bullshit. And my losses was so huge that 99% here even never saw that amount of money in their lives.

But now I realized that all what I was doing was a waste of time. Especially in field of programming. Now I realize that instead of paying coders it was better to pay teachers and learn coding myself.

As example: I have coded bot on python (with some help) within 2 days. So best investment in your education.

Why I started discord group and post here my trading journal? Because I want to find people in my team. Smart arses. Crazy traders. Good coders. Together we can build a good group of successful traders and may be make some startup or hedge fund. Who knows.

Who I'd prefer to avoid: lazy arses, dreamers, demo traders, fancy line drawers, people who search for free EA or holy grail non-lagging RSI. There will be no free lunch. Only hard work and no magic.

Stay green!
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  • #520
  • Feb 27, 2022 7:09pm Feb 27, 2022 7:09pm
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} There are no numbers, no math. Only blah-blah-blah. I don't believe that if you want to succeed in trading it is enough to say "I'm successful trader" every day at front of the mirror. So thank you for the link, but I shall pass BTW today it is only +1.68% So 5% daily is not reached +0.23% XRPUSDT Short +0.27% XRPUSDT Short +0.30% XRPUSDT Short +0.07% XRPUSDT Short +0.02% XRPUSDT Short +0.02% XRPUSDT Short +0.03% XRPUSDT Short +0.02% XRPUSDT Short +0.14% XRPUSDT Short +0.22% XRPUSDT Short +0.06%...

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If you keep exercising what you're comfortable with, when a real life change comes, you won't be prepared. I suggest you look at Bionic's thread speaking about futures and the changes happening there. Nothing in life is static. You stick with numbers because you feel safe. It reminds me of those arcade shooting games. There's no real skill in that. There's no knowledge just luck. The markets go 'sideways' also you know. Anyway your choice. Have fun.

Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
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