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  • #101
  • Jul 28, 2019 8:39am Jul 28, 2019 8:39am
Mady: Oh, dear, finally we found this coffee shop, they accept bitcoin as well!
Leila: Oh, rare thing, sweety... but hey, we love anything exclusivist!
Mady: Hey, here's funny thing, I bought bitcoin at 13K and now is 9.5K, you know!
Leila: OMG, you must pay now $2.80 for this $2 coffee! For me, I bought bitcoin at 6K, so this $2 coffee worth $1.25 ...hahaaa, gotcha!
Mady: True. Isn't it fun how unstable this crypto thing is?
Leila: Oh, yes, unfortunately! It's like gambling, you lose some, win some...
Mady: Hahaha! When you think some people use to "store value" in that crap! OMG, how stupid is that?!?
Leila: Hahaha!
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  • #102
  • Jul 28, 2019 10:13am Jul 28, 2019 10:13am
Haha I like this thread. I was always so combative towards Bitcoin and once got into a huge verbal fight at an outdoor event where they had set up a Bitcoin teller machine and were encouraging people to buy Bitcoin. I think it was around $300 back then.

My buddy that trades Bitcoin and recommended me to get in when it was at $3300 just loves that sh*t. He is deeply religious too. I guess he doesn't see the immoral stuff about Cryptos. I'd just love to see a debate between you and him. Lol. I'll buy the boxing gloves.

I am thinking at this moment that who cares. Oil is bad for the environment and people trade it. Other commodities too. So much unethical stuff goes on in stock trading and some of the underlying companies being traded are nothing but pure toxic in many ways but people are all over them and trading them.

I know that just joining the crowd and trading crap like shares of offensive companies or Cryptos is not moral but hey maybe we could do a Robin Hood thing and make a few bucks and use that in an ethical and planet preserving manner. A big leap to go from coffee money to saving the planet but honestly, if you don't trade this stuff cause they are bad, others will and you turn out to be just a guy on the fringes screaming at the willing crowd like that lone crusader yelling Jesus is coming, repent.

I am still amazed at the amount of effort Crypto enthusiasts put into it though. Who even thought of building exclusive Bitcoin vending ATMs at coffee shops? Why don't they bring FX down to the public like that? The easier it gets to get into Bitcoin, the harder it is trading FX. Regulations galore and the noose is tightening every day. What is going on? Less and less regulations and restrictions for Cryptos and more and more for FX. Is there a force working to do away with paper currencies and roll in the digital currencies? It sure looks like it.

At this moment even I, the bitcoin nemesis of the past, am thinking of getting my toes wet and do some of that but I'm not in a hurry.
  • #103
  • Edited Jul 29, 2019 2:14am Jul 28, 2019 2:06pm | Edited Jul 29, 2019 2:14am
Quoting OutThere
Haha I like this thread. I was always so combative towards Bitcoin and once got into a huge verbal fight at an outdoor event where they had set up a Bitcoin teller machine and were encouraging people to buy Bitcoin. I think it was around $300 back then. My buddy that trades Bitcoin and recommended me to get in when it was at $3300 just loves that sh*t. He is deeply religious too. I guess he doesn't see the immoral stuff about Cryptos. I'd just love to see a debate between you and him. Lol. I'll buy the boxing gloves. I am thinking at this...
Haha
This is all you've got from this thread?
This is all you get?

You guys find yourself alone in a beautiful Sunday and you love to pretend to step on the stage and rant to the world things ...hear me out people, here's my crap, because the truth is a matter of perception!
So WTF, we can twist suckers' mind on anything like stop hunt, banks, new global order, anarchy, business, politics, cryptocurrencies... 'cause anything can be relative..

But that's not the case when we talk bitcoin.
Bitcoin is fraudulent by definition.
It's not a matter of time to change perspective, because bitcoin will never change fundamentally.
Bitcoin will always be a black box.

The drug addict put its dollars at some unknown end of the box, and the drug dealer recieves those dollars at some other unknown end of the box.
Even they follow the IP address, the DEA has no sure link between the dealer and the addict.
No strong evidence => no case in a court of law!
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

Sure it's plenty of inside trading or drug traffic using dollars, but dollars makes a traceable environment.
It's not a matter of time or pespective about bitcoin.
This is not about perception (truth)
This is about fact (reality)
Bitcoin is fraudulent by nature as a matter of fundament!
BLACK BOX! Dig?
Bitcoin transactions are all read in alphanumeric strings, such as a public address, that in no way directly link to anyone's personal identity.

Ok, it's a world of crooks, but:
The government is not fraudulent by definition! In spite of the cunning, corrupted, greedy politicians.
The monetary policy is not fraudulent by definition! In spite of Alan Greenspan.
The global companies and big business are not fraudulent by definition! In spite of the millennium subprime theft.

...but:
Bitcoin is fraudulent by definition!
Since it's inception, bitcoin has been thought of as an anonymous way to move money, so the law enforcement can't track illicit earnings. Simple.
And this is fact, not perception!
Diiiiiig???
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  • #104
  • Edited 2:57pm Jul 28, 2019 2:32pm | Edited 2:57pm
Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Haha This is all you've got from this thread? This is all you get? You guys find yourself alone in a beautiful Sunday and you love to pretend to step on the stage and rant to the world things ...hear me out people, here's my crap, because the truth is a matter of perception! So WTF, we can twist suckers' mind on anything like stop hunt, banks, new global order, anarchy, business, politics, cryptocurrencies... 'cause anything can be relative.. But that's not the case when we talk bitcoin. Bitcoin is fraudulent by definition. It's not...
Yes this is all I got.

That fellow is studying to become a preacher. He speaks of Cryptos as passionately as you do except that he is on the exact opposite end of the spectrum.
He hasn't convinced me that it's the best thing in the world and you haven't convinced me that it is the worst thing in the world.

You both know so much in your opposite ends. You can match each other. Who am I to get more of your thread which I merely scanned and scoped. A lot of what you are saying is that it is bad but how about the fact that it is working despite all the bad? I have no power to stop it and change it other than not participation but even if I did, so what? I am a consumer, Cryptos are instruments of trade and the governments all over the world are unable to do something about it.

I'm sorry but your thread, as well written as it is and as passionate as you are, is not going to make a dent in making a difference in whatever cryptos are doing. We had or maybe still have a money laundering situation in our casinos that the government regulates. They use real money. Big sums of criminally obtained money and they launder it openly. No one seems to be able to do anything about it. So, real money, as trackable as you think it is, is not trackable. They know what to do whether it's crypto or real or gold or paintings or shell companies or sweetheart deals or whatever.

Do you think those 2 lovely ladies enjoying their coffees read this and care? Lots of those people around. Why do you think the new surge in Bitcoin price? Could it be that the FB guy is getting into it? Soon to be it's preferred medium of choice for transactions? Do you think they enjoyed the recent billions of dollars they paid to EU as fines? As a company with greedy shareholders do you think they are going to take the moral high road? Soon EU won't be able to track their income because it's not going to be tracable.


You know, I am not against what you are saying but you can take your disappointment to someone that matters like the governments cause you are a little doomed in your efforts here. Good luck.

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WOW, post below...What a prick. Now I am really going to start trading Cryptos. LOLZ
Crypto lovers PM me please to get me started.

Happy banging your head against the wall. One of them will cave in sooner or later.
  • #105
  • Jul 28, 2019 2:51pm Jul 28, 2019 2:51pm
Still the same bullshit!
Obviously, you don't get the point. Like you don't read this thread.
You seem more fascinated of your rant than understanding what's all about bitcoin.
You barely scratch the surface and blindly miss the fundament.
I don't have time to see you pseudo-smarties growing... this is not what this thread is about.
You had your chance and you blew it.
You are not even able to understand what a black box is.
You're out.
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  • #106
  • Jul 28, 2019 3:00pm Jul 28, 2019 3:00pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Yes this is all I got. That fellow is studying to become a preacher. He speaks of Cryptos as passionately as you do except that he is on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. He hasn't convinced me that it's the best thing in the world and you haven't convinced me that it is the worst thing in the world. You both know so much in your opposite ends. You can match each other. Who am I to get more of your thread which I merely scanned and scoped. A lot of what you are saying is that it is bad but how about the fact that it is working despite...
I have used bitcoin for deposits and withdraels when traded with a broker used only bitcoin for that and i used coinbace for the transactions and i must say their fees and bad price on currencie exchange kills the possibilitys to use bitcoin for such purpuses...I am not sure exactly what the fees and currencie exchange cost me but some 5-10% when deposit and then the same for withdrael so if nice someting like 15% after all transactions finnished and back in my bankaccount.....And that is just horroble and can never compite with wire,CCards ore even neteller/Skrill even they also have high fees its half of coinbace...You first loose a lot on currencie exchange because of very poor pricing in their favor and then high fees on transaction itself....If to survive at all Coinbace ore Bitcoin it should be 0.15% fees and currencie exchange and not 15%,,,Atleast i will never use bitcoin again with Coinbace that is suposivly one of the biggest wallets/blockchain outhere...Bitcoin could be a exelent substitute for cash if had an app that could quickly transfer from person to person ore to buy and sell,but greed using high fees and currencie exchange kills the whole idea before even got started for real...

Just my opinion...Sniper
Insanityoing same ting over expecting different results..Einstein
  • #107
  • Edited 3:22pm Jul 28, 2019 3:11pm | Edited 3:22pm
Quoting FXsniper111
{quote} I have used bitcoin for deposits and withdraels when traded with a broker used only bitcoin for that and i used coinbace for the transactions and i must say their fees and bad price on currencie exchange kills the possibilitys to use bitcoin for such purpuses...I am not sure exactly what the fees and currencie exchange cost me but some 5-10% when deposit and then the same for withdrael so if nice someting like 15% after all transactions finnished and back in my bankaccount.....And that is just horroble and can never compite with wire,CCards...
Hi, sniper!
I have some respect for dreamers, speculators, anarchists, smart traders, even smugglers, thieves...
But I only despise hypocrite pseudo-quarter-witts who try to demonstrate "mathematically" the bitcoin world will be a better free world than this one. They don't actually understand this one. Those bastards are twisting the fundaments of this world and pretending they are great inventors... in fact they are the most dangerous crooks!
I feel you sincere and full of genuine hope, and I really wish you luck with bitcoin if you think is better than other payment systems!
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  • #108
  • Jul 28, 2019 3:26pm Jul 28, 2019 3:26pm
Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Hi, sniper! I have some respect for dreamers, speculators, anarchists, smart traders, even smugglers, thieves... But I only despise hypocrite pseudo-quarter-witts who try to demonstrate "mathematically" the bitcoin world will be a better free world than this one. They don't actually understand this one. I feel you sincere and full of genuine hope, and I really wish you luck with bitcoin!
I dont give a shit abaut bitcoin being alternative to cash in criminal transactions because its untraceble...Criminals will find a way even cash will be gone in 10-20 years...Can be as easy as using gold for paymets ore whatever "I DONT CARE"But as i said Crypto are on the breach of suicide with their high fees and converton of currencie...And when i was to open account with coibace the vetting was even strickter than the most regulated FX broker...I had to verify everyting with Photos of CC,Adress and passport so really i dont get the part where can be used without knowing who send ore recieved the funds,But i dont know much abaut crypto at all,but for me with Coinbace they had all of my credentials registrated....

Good luck on your war because i dont care...
Insanityoing same ting over expecting different results..Einstein
  • #109
  • Jul 29, 2019 1:47am Jul 29, 2019 1:47am
Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Hi, sniper! I have some respect for dreamers, speculators, anarchists, smart traders, even smugglers, thieves... But I only despise hypocrite pseudo-quarter-witts who try to demonstrate "mathematically" the bitcoin world will be a better free world than this one. They don't actually understand this one. Those bastards are twisting the fundaments of this world and pretending they are great inventors... in fact they are the most dangerous crooks! I feel you sincere and full of genuine hope, and I really wish you luck with bitcoin if you think...
Till now; it’s very early to judge BTC and it’s real value! But you may notice; day by day the popularity is increasing in throughout the world!
  • #110
  • Edited 9:37am Jul 29, 2019 1:57am | Edited 9:37am
Quoting NeilWagner
{quote} Till now; it’s very early to judge BTC and it’s real value! But you may notice; day by day the popularity is increasing in throughout the world!
Hi, Neil. You mix fact with perception, my friend.

Perception is like ...say about weed, idiots think that if more and more people smoke illegal crack then is just a matter of time until everybody will smoke that illegal crap!
Or like someone may think police is criminal organization because more and more crazy policemen deal drugs or some of them got drunk and shot your dog!
Fck the police, right! Fck the government! Fck the rich! Any terminated brain teenager thinks like this!

Yes, bitcoin spreads like vice ...but it will always remain a "vice", a fraudulent tool, a vicious environment!!!
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On the flip side, misconception of the current order generated by wrong perception:
- The government is not fraudulent by definition! In spite of the cunning, corrupted, greedy politicians.
- The monetary policy is not fraudulent by definition! In spite of Alan Greenspan.
- The global companies and big business are not fraudulent by definition! In spite of the millennium subprime theft.
...

But bitcoin is fraudulent by definition!
It was meant to be like this!!! Even the enthusiasts are proud to claim that!

Since it's inception, bitcoin has been thought of as an anonymous way to move money, so the law enforcement can't track illicit earnings.
And this is fact, not perception!
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  • #111
  • Jul 29, 2019 3:28am Jul 29, 2019 3:28am
Daddy please inject more real USD money to fight for the 9000 support!

If 9ooo pierced, the bearish trend will become appetizing for more and more whales to take profit from naive believers selling their massive positions...
So, take care of your real cold hard cash, folks!
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  • #112
  • Jul 29, 2019 4:20am Jul 29, 2019 4:20am
Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Hi, sniper! I have some respect for dreamers, speculators, anarchists, smart traders, even smugglers, thieves... But I only despise hypocrite pseudo-quarter-witts who try to demonstrate "mathematically" the bitcoin world will be a better free world than this one. They don't actually understand this one. Those bastards are twisting the fundaments of this world and pretending they are great inventors... in fact they are the most dangerous crooks! I feel you sincere and full of genuine hope, and I really wish you luck with bitcoin if you think...
do you really have the respect for the smugglers, thieves...oh really lol,,,,just joking,,,
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  • #113
  • Jul 29, 2019 4:29am Jul 29, 2019 4:29am
Quoting mrmalik1
{quote} do you really have the respect for the smugglers, thieves...oh really lol,,,,just joking,,,
Well not really, it's more like a figure of speach ..I mean they seem more "honest" next to the Satoshi Cult hypocrites
Fanatics like McAfee are trying hard to spread their pseudo-science of financial poison to lure the naive to buy their complicated lie... that's what I really hate!
People still don't realize, cryptomaniacs are stealing billions of US dollars! ...pickpockets barely survive!
Ok, kidding.... I think you know what I mean
Cheers, my friend!
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  • #114
  • Jul 29, 2019 4:52am Jul 29, 2019 4:52am
Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Well not really, it's more like a figure of speach ..I mean they seem more "honest" next to the Satoshi Cult hypocrites Fanatics like McAfee are trying hard to spread their pseudo-science of financial poison to lure the naive to buy their complicated lie... that's what I really hate! People still don't realize, cryptomaniacs are stealing billions of US dollars! ...pickpockets barely survive! Ok, kidding.......
i know my you friend that you are straight farward person and dont like the crooks,,,i was just kidding
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  • #115
  • Jul 29, 2019 9:19am Jul 29, 2019 9:19am
What mess, what mess? ...no mess, bubaaz! Whales are just saving their bacon!
Nothing personal, you know, ...it's just business! Sell, sell, sell!
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  • #116
  • Jul 29, 2019 2:08pm Jul 29, 2019 2:08pm
Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Hi, Neil. You mix fact with perception, my friend. Perception is like ...say about weed, idiots think that if more and more people smoke illegal crack then is just a matter of time until everybody will smoke that illegal crap! Or like someone may think police is criminal organization because more and more crazy policemen deal drugs or some of them got drunk and shot your dog! Fck the police, right! Fck the government! Fck the rich! Any terminated brain teenager thinks like this! Yes, bitcoin spreads like vice ...but it will always remain...
Okay! I already marked your reply; lets follow the further movements of BTC & its future!
  • #117
  • Jul 30, 2019 2:15am Jul 30, 2019 2:15am
Quoting NeilWagner
{quote} Okay! I already marked your reply; lets follow the further movements of BTC & its future!
Based on the current development, anything's possible...
Ok. It's a bet!

Nay:
- Bitcoin is a black box from its inception which makes financial operations illegal by default. Current problems like evade taxes, money laundring, consumer protection... are already common actual facts!
- Bitcoin can be only a medium of exchange, not real money. Because bitcoin is measured in dollars. And the real economy is measured in dollars;
- Money outside politics is sort of utopic thinking;
- Not regulated domain. That leads to fraud, price manipulation, front-running, wash sales ...al these cause huge volatility;
- Can't store value because huge volatility;
- Bitcoin is not a solution for inflation. Actually a small inflation is necessary for capitalism to work. A rigid money supply can cause deflation, bad as well;
- Bitcoin is not a solution for money transfer. Not scalable, not sustenable at all, and if it will be sustenable it will cost huge amount of energy.

Yes:
- Stupid things are extremely catchy! People love illegal things. People who pay taxes love to screw back the government. People want education system, health system, social security, police, transport, institutions, but they don't want to pay for it ...no, taxes! Yes, stupid things are extremely catchy!
- It's a pirate mutiny. But it may work after all. They can develope a paralell financial world, ruling out the current one by force of the numbers. Uh, power to the people! Authorities will not be aware of what struck them over the night, and they won't be able to do anything about it, LOL!
- ...hm, I can't find more for "yes"!

It looks like the enthusiasts have only the wish to screw the government as the strongest argument!
I don't know if the government will just sit back and watch... that's why I am mainly short on bitcoin
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  • #118
  • Jul 30, 2019 2:56am Jul 30, 2019 2:56am
Oh, ...again?
China-Russia secret conspiration for undollarization!
Hidden monster mining plants traffic ???
Hidden fishy trade ???
Hidden military weapons trade ???
...tell me news!

Yeaaah, this why the crypto domain was invented! This is what the bitcoin, tether... are made of!
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  • #119
  • Jul 30, 2019 5:24am Jul 30, 2019 5:24am
Millions in Crypto Is Crossing the Russia-China Border Daily. There, Tether Is King!

What's a billion USD bribe from Russia-China for Tether execs and the New York Attorney General ?
Peanuts?
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  • #120
  • Jul 30, 2019 7:42am Jul 30, 2019 7:42am
@TudorIoan, don't you think you are too blind? you see only one side. Many things in the world started similar to bitcoin, people also shouted - nonsense, nobody will buy, it will not work, stupid idea... today everyone use these things. Don't you think it may happen with bitcoin?
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