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  • #5,721
  • Mar 6, 2023 10:20pm Mar 6, 2023 10:20pm
Quoting FulMargnAlch
{quote} Yeah but there is no monopoly of knowledge.
I agree FMA ...very true...I guess what I have been getting at,,,, Is That,,, we all generally have enough Knowledge to
be successful in trading.... Our thirst for knowledge is good and what keeps us advancing as a society.
But the never ending thirst for knowledge can be a double edged sword that hinders us...

Dont get me wrong... I have an insatiable thirst for knowledge and love to read as well... Love history science technology nature
all of it lol...

It reminds me of a friends dad long ago... This fellow had I believe 4 degrees..plus phds etc...all in the study of religion arena
whatever that is I cant recall... But anyways at that time he was probably late 50s or so.... And was still for all intents and purposes
still a Fulltime student... His dream and goal was to teach Theology (word came to me lol) Yet he never lifted off..
and this guy was so good..so smart.. He could have taught his professors...

And I will never forget that..It blew me away....And thats really what I was making a point of..is that I truly believe most members
on FF know enough to be successful traders....and yet they are not... Its not the methods or systems..its the individual..

And its why I always emphasize ..you vs you and psychology..because that is the difference...Turtles were a great example.
Why did a few do phenomenally well and the rest went bust... all boils down to the individual...

So keep on journalling meditating and the other things you mentioned earlier...Those are real difference makers that everyone should
do....

Thanks for the frank discussion !

All the best to you Sir !

Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #5,722
  • Mar 6, 2023 10:53pm Mar 6, 2023 10:53pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi Mark, Last one as you have shown interest. I did not trade these, lunchtime lol. I do NOT even suggest trading these situations as the come up. What I am highlighting is the Market Mechanics that play out (and on larger scales than these) day after day, session after session. When we can see our Markets in their reality (small view yes, there are LARGER views for sure, Intent would be one) but when we toss away the idea that 'something' else other than the market itself is drivng the charts (and the targets) then maybe we can all settle...
Thank you again. I see this play out every day on the SP500. In particular the one that has to peak out a tick or two and this puts it all into perspective.

An interesting take on this is those 3 points were at yesterday's high which happened to be the last upswing from yesterday's ranging.

How I would trade this is the first push to the target area. Number two is too tight for me. And 3 had the red news.

I would say I am right on track to where I need to be as what I do is really not that far off from some of the great minds.


(Just to be clear, I know more than I let on a lot of times. Only recently have I come to mostly full grasp of things. Currently my understanding is moving forward at what feels like warp speed. And like you I like to see and know as much as is practical. With the full intent [there is that damned word again] of turning this into a full time gig even at my age [not that old, but could retire].)
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #5,723
  • Mar 6, 2023 10:57pm Mar 6, 2023 10:57pm
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} I agree FMA ...very true...I guess what I have been getting at,,,, Is That,,, we all generally have enough Knowledge to be successful in trading.... Our thirst for knowledge is good and what keeps us advancing as a society. But the never ending thirst for knowledge can be a double edged sword that hinders us... Dont get me wrong... I have an insatiable thirst for knowledge and love to read as well... Love history science technology nature all of it lol... It reminds me of a friends dad long ago... This fellow had I believe 4 degrees..plus...
Yeah. The you vs you is already given.

It has been reiterated a million times, it always has been the case.

But we are here for a discussion, its impossible to discuss anything if we just refer anything to the sweeping statement of you vs you all the time.

All the best for us.
The market hides a perfect geometry.
  • #5,724
  • Mar 6, 2023 10:59pm Mar 6, 2023 10:59pm
Quoting FulMargnAlch
{quote} Yeah. The you vs you is already given. It has been reiterated a million times, it always has been the case. But we are here for a discussion, its impossible to discuss anything if we just refer anything to the sweeping statement of you vs you all the time. All the best for us.
Seems there has been quite a bit more than you v you. But hey what do I know ...
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #5,725
  • Mar 6, 2023 11:10pm Mar 6, 2023 11:10pm
Quoting bfx17
It is also unclear to me where this thread is going, but when I see that: - Mr. 10000USD/pip (you know, the guy who rocks) is around and - MoneyZilla is around and - Aussi is lurking and trolling Andy AAAANNNNDDDDD - BW is here as well I am sure it will be at least very entertaining We have all ingredients... So I am looking forward to see how it develops. Cheers everyone, B
people leave, but this thread will go on for ever
  • #5,726
  • Mar 6, 2023 11:14pm Mar 6, 2023 11:14pm
Quoting spzd
{quote} Thank you again. I see this play out every day on the SP500. In particular the one that has to peak out a tick or two and this puts it all into perspective. An interesting take on this is those 3 points were at yesterday's high which happened to be the last upswing from yesterday's ranging. How I would trade this is the first push to the target area. Number two is too tight for me. And 3 had the red news. I would say I am right on track to where I need to be as what I do is really not that far off from some of the great minds. ...

Cheers Mark,

I'm a scalper, I trade in Asia and pre-Franky lol and I don't quite fit the paradigm of a lot of the big guys in Full Blown Post-London to New York Open to London Close (Fixing Time) trading where there are some terrific setups I see - the next day.

Asia presented its own problems to me from day one as until near London there was no really long run of pips unless I just put in a trade, crossed my fingers with a S/L and TP & walked away for about five hours. Two things, how is that trading in my mind I said (that seemed more like investing, if you know what I mean) and secondly I learned little other than was the a/c blacker or redder. To see an END result of P or L without seeing how that "result" played out (won or lost) as it was happening I learned little again.

What I did learn along the way (couldn't do this on the horses as they paid out ONLY on the Finish Line).
In Trading YOU the trader get to choose your own Finish Line in when & where you TP or SL.
After trying for glory early, as a novice, with little understanding of the inside rules of the market (lol) I stayed in too long got to some profit then watched it dwindle away to BE or worse.
SO.
I taught myself to Take Profit. TP. One after the other, over & over until TP was the focus based on how I traded. I applaud BW if every/most trades he takes he wins and it is 50 pips each/most times. Seriously that is pro stuff to me. I can't achieve that in the timezones I trade tho I "have" had big ones land for sure.

Thus this TP business became a focus. And a goal. Based on pips. if you can grow your a/c you grow your lot size etc. Or deposit MORE and start higher and maybe then reduce the Pips Needed down from 50 to 40, or 40-30 etc until you get to a place where your take-out is the same but you are in the market less (time).

None of this happens (or happened) in the early stages of trading. Its a marathon, not a sprint, though I NOW like my trades to be sprints to free up my time for other interests. Though I confess i cannot turn off my charts till bedtime hahaa, and they are running over on a desk where some "longer" ma INDIS keep me abreast of the current Market Structure.

Each to their own.

I do hope someone posts up their Trade Intent Charts after a trade, as I feel if I can just see an actual trade from its start to finish from a certain 4hr candle I can then back-look and see where it all started and maybe why, and then just SEE if i can SEE this INTENT with my eyes.

A Guaranteed Intent with (all) Targets ahead of it would be Gold imho, and then some can take their 20p, some 30p and some wait for the full-blown 50p.

Thanks pal
Pete
  • #5,727
  • Mar 6, 2023 11:35pm Mar 6, 2023 11:35pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Cheers Mark, I'm a scalper, I trade in Asia and pre-Franky lol and I don't quite fit the paradigm of a lot of the big guys in Full Blown Post-London to New York Open to London Close (Fixing Time) trading where there are some terrific setups I see - the next day. Asia presented its own problems to me from day one as until near London there was no really long run of pips unless I just put in a trade, crossed my fingers with a S/L and TP & walked away for about five hours. Two things, how is that trading in my mind I said (that seemed more...
Thank you sir!

NY only gives the big stuff when it wants.

I am not a scalper per se but I tend to be short term. When it comes to the size and amount I have been working on fine tuning it to me. I also have this need to see the trade from start to finish which in itself tends to force you into shorter term. And as you can see I do not hide much of what I do. Refrain from posting trades live as I lose some times and do not want people trying to copy even if it is just one. Nothing wrong with explaining the process. Unless it is some personal proprietary formula most should be more open as not enough will copy what you do to affect anything anyways. <- That's a hint to those who claim they want to help yet only take people so far.

This evening has been both a joy and a huge learning experience.

Take care
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #5,728
  • Mar 6, 2023 11:44pm Mar 6, 2023 11:44pm
Quoting spzd
{quote} Thank you sir! NY only gives the big stuff when it wants. I am not a scalper per se but I tend to be short term. When it comes to the size and amount I have been working on fine tuning it to me. I also have this need to see the trade from start to finish which in itself tends to force you into shorter term. And as you can see I do not hide much of what I do. Refrain from posting trades live as I lose some times and do not want people trying to copy even if it is just one. Nothing wrong with explaining the process. Unless it is some personal...
It's afternoon here so you must be up late. Not long till London open for the Dax.
  • #5,729
  • Mar 6, 2023 11:55pm Mar 6, 2023 11:55pm
There's nothing new. All been done before. Seriously, FXP it's all there just look out and the old stuff will jump at you like a troll on a sillly site (thanks Peter Caleb for your wisdom). Hhehehehihihohihihihihi (don't like the silly LOL nonsesne just aint real enough). NT boar hunting haven't done it yet, but did spend my time tracking pigs elsewhere Could pick hairs off tree bark to detemine what was in the area. Was a bowhunter you see. Trading is similar. Patience, probability. Knowledge. And a good sense of knowing when to bail, or just know when something isn't right.

GBP/USD. Those old patterns.
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  • #5,730
  • Mar 6, 2023 11:56pm Mar 6, 2023 11:56pm
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} It's afternoon here so you must be up late. Not long till London open for the Dax.
Don't trade the Dax. It is not that much different than the Nasdaq or the Dow. Almost midnight here. Besides some conversation, which was very helpful, I have been doing my own research which sometimes is no more than observing price within the framework I have set up.

I know you search for a possible easier way to trade. What it took me to get there was to take the various things I knew and create a system around that.

Take care

edit: sorry I am up late as I am confusing handles now. What I said pertains to anybody who can benefit. If not it just will take up space.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #5,731
  • Mar 7, 2023 12:01am Mar 7, 2023 12:01am
Ahh the thread is rolling LOL.....

Wheres rickNroo ???

I think we need some Volume and Delta INTENT or Amigos
OR Amigas....I prefer Amigas to be honest...

Too many assholes puckered up here of late...Am I allowed to say that ?

DO I really care ? well I do care truth be told... but really some of the
bullshit ive read lately has me scratching my bald head.

anyways just saw Bogdans BFX17 post and thought it was a doozy about spit my
Metamucil (Orange flavor btw) out....but i digress.. heres the link if anyone wants another
view on things....( PS Cashbox made some very good points )

https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...9#post14349819

Really not my "Intent" to target anyone here with the bullshit and puckered arseholes because
quite frankly i toss myself in the same mix..

My asshole has been puckered on more than one ocassion and ive probably said some bullshit remarks..
Well actually im pretty certain ive said some bullshit... But im ok with that.,.. Just being honest..

Ive been away for a few months and just feeling the need to let a little steam off and get back in the mix of things here.

Still waiting for an answer from BW on All line traders are Liars...That one puckered my arsehole I wont lie...
I guess because I know thats not true so Hence Bullshit from BW.. But hey thats the past
Sort of like BWs past as Skyway....Skyway was quite an abrasive character at times and I recall
Profitfarmer put him over the top and he ran off never to be seen again until his recent reincarnation!

Yep Reincarnation is possible on FF... But thats another story........

Anyways I need to add some more Rum to my Metamucil.. Its a twist of a Mai Tai for us mature folks,,,

Again no harm meant for anyone just some shits n giggles...or giggle n shit depending on your age group.....

Cheers !
Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #5,732
  • Mar 7, 2023 12:06am Mar 7, 2023 12:06am
Quoting spzd
{quote} Don't trade the Dax. It is not that much different than the Nasdaq or the Dow. Almost midnight here. Besides some conversation, which was very helpful, I have been doing my own research which sometimes is no more than observing price within the framework I have set up. I know you search for a possible easier way to trade. What it took me to get there was to take the various things I knew and create a system around that. Take care edit: sorry I am up late as I am confusing handles now. What I said pertains to anybody who can benefit. If not...
I agree. Take all you know (that is useful) make it your own. And caveat: no one way is the way. To me that is a given.
For me the indexes give more bang for buck for a determined time. Forex is whenever it moves it moves. Tired of the FX scalping so doing that on indices now and just waiting for a bigger FX move which I need to change a few things. Spending way too much time at the screen waiting and waiting for a few scraps. So the journey is fun and thanks to all who contribute positively here.

Cheers...
  • #5,733
  • Mar 7, 2023 12:35am Mar 7, 2023 12:35am
Quoting BWilliam
... HOWEVER, I don't feel its welcomed on this thread. I get your message. Loud and clear. I admit and accept that I did wrong to introduce my idea onto Andy's thread. I shouldn't have done this rude intrusion. I apologise. Therefore, I think everyone should stop this discussion about market intent on this thread, out of respect. And I don't want to invite any form of political fights. ...
BW everything is welcomed from what I can see here. Bring on whatever topic is worth a chinwag over.

If people asking for some hard and clear understading is rejection of a method, topic, whatever, just like in a real face to face conversation, you know people communicating then I disagree on that. Gefx put up what was lacking. If you call it intent so be it. I call it bias or direction but what's it matter?

Normally politics isn't discussed here, in recent times at least. SO not sure why you mention it.

Anyway, all the best.
  • #5,734
  • Edited 1:42am Mar 7, 2023 1:32am | Edited 1:42am
Terminology is not an issue if a group of words share the same definition , but I think it's best for everyone to use the most common one just to avoid confusion, specially new traders.

who is George ?

cheers,
"the public is not yet ready for it" W.D. GANN
  • #5,735
  • Mar 7, 2023 3:20am Mar 7, 2023 3:20am
Quoting Kwt4x
Terminology is not an issue if a group of words share the same definition , but I think it's best for everyone to use the most common one just to avoid confusion, specially new traders. who is George ? cheers,
Price action at the core / tma intra day | Forex Factory
On ignore list of scammers, deceivers and low IQ individuals. Exclusively
  • #5,736
  • Edited 4:40am Mar 7, 2023 4:17am | Edited 4:40am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Many folk look deeper as the market plays out its tricks on us, while the maths will show us the levels & designs, But doesn't necessarily solve the tricks presented. We do.
I think someone has been reading this thread, took GJ up 42 pips from the open, then reversed. It wasn't you, was it TT ?

Then took it back down 80 pips. Tricks ?

Some nice trades in Asia this morning.

Edit: Look where it stopped & turned, Last weeks Open 163.020 to the pip !!
It never gets easier, you just get better
  • #5,737
  • Mar 7, 2023 4:47am Mar 7, 2023 4:47am
Quoting bluesteele
Ahh the thread is rolling LOL..... Wheres rickNroo ??? I think we need some Volume and Delta INTENT or Amigos OR Amigas....I prefer Amigas to be honest... Too many assholes puckered up here of late...Am I allowed to say that ? DO I really care ? well I do care truth be told... but really some of the bullshit ive read lately has me scratching my bald head. anyways just saw Bogdans BFX17 post and thought it was a doozy about spit my Metamucil (Orange flavor btw) out....but i digress.. heres the link if anyone wants another view on things....( PS Cashbox...
It's all lines I tell you

Each to their own. But I like a lot of stuff I read here but keep my core approach and look at levels discussed on this thread to pin down some sort of ongoing narrative - not easy -for me. I am in awe of you clever people and hope discussion will continue without fights breaking out in the yard. Bit like picking bits of a puzzle to solve one of your own. Learning never stops provided you keep your destination in mind. Lines -fantastic things.

Note: yes I could have got out of bed earlier for this trade
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every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #5,738
  • Mar 7, 2023 4:59am Mar 7, 2023 4:59am
Over the last few days I been on a steep learning curve but after trying and thinking about all I have seen and learnt
Guess were I have ended up

ps

Kwt4x
Simple additions of 2 much doubted indicators add a nice little confluence
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  • #5,739
  • Mar 7, 2023 5:21am Mar 7, 2023 5:21am
Quoting turnip15
{quote} It's all lines I tell you Each to their own. But I like a lot of stuff I read here but keep my core approach and look at levels discussed on this thread to pin down some sort of ongoing narrative - not easy -for me. I am in awe of you clever people and hope discussion will continue without fights breaking out in the yard. Bit like picking bits of a puzzle to solve one of your own. Learning never stops provided you keep your destination in mind. Lines -fantastic things. Note: yes I could have got out of bed earlier for this trade...
It's all about your own personal trading style, temperament and what your personal goals are.

You choose your timeframes, your profit & loss, how simple / complicated you want your charts to be.

You choose how long you want to be at your screen and when to call it a day.

Find something that fits your own psychology / personality and you will be like a duck to water.

At the end of the day you choose what works for you, everything works then somedays suddenly it doesn't.
It never gets easier, you just get better
  • #5,740
  • Edited 6:05am Mar 7, 2023 5:36am | Edited 6:05am
Quoting BWilliam
Shabs, may I humbly suggest to you that you start a new thread to discuss this specific topic, it requires a new dedicated thread. I won't start this thread. But I can assure you, I will put in the effort to help.
I have said this before, you take in all the knowledge, learn everything about your specific field.

Then apply your own thinking & logic, and discern from all that information you now have, what is useful to you,

Then discard the rest.

I honestly would not be able to maintain a thread ad give a running commentary, I have enough on my plate with all the notifications I seem to get everyday,

not always catching up with replies.

I have thought about a trading journal, and limit it to just posting charts. At the moment I do save charts in a folder on my pc. which often I look back at

as TT often says, the charts all repeat the same things everyday.

GJ Today:

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