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  • #81
  • Feb 8, 2015 6:06pm Feb 8, 2015 6:06pm
The ninja trader brokerage website is still up and running so no need to panic
  • #82
  • May 17, 2015 8:13am May 17, 2015 8:13am
I use Ninjatrader and quite frankly it sucks. It stalls whenever CL makes one of its lovely moves and then when the market has slowed down the charts catch up again.
I am in Europe and use Rithmic as a data feed and after doing tests i can absolutely confirm its the crap interface between ninjatrader and the data provider that causes the slowness. IF Ninjatrader could look outside the square and realise that its not just US citizens that trade then they could easily accommodate traders from Europe by putting into the options a gateway link to the European gateway.

sierra charts have done this and my data is perfect.....NinjaTrader are just too darn lazy or ignorant to the fact that there are traders outside the US
  • #83
  • May 21, 2015 11:07pm May 21, 2015 11:07pm
Your charts or the computer could be part of the problem .. get rid of all the stuff you don't need. I do my charting on my pc and the execution on a Chicago based VPS. I'm based in Asia and it works well for me.
  • #84
  • May 22, 2015 1:01am May 22, 2015 1:01am
No its none of those....broker has proved it with many tests.
And I did not mention a VPS. I dont want that
  • #85
  • Nov 28, 2015 8:36am Nov 28, 2015 8:36am
Just an update with my Ninjatrader usage past months. The new NT8 is FANTASTIC and I am converting all of my automated systems over from NT7 to NT8 at this time. I have completely stopped using the degrading MT4 platform and I am DONE with MT4 for good! Ninjatrader is just the king right now and they should be adding foreign Forex broker clearing in the months ahead (so US customers can trade Forex without using junk US rules).

As far as reliability goes - second to none! I run NT on 4 different computers (1 laptop and 3 pc's) and I trade FX, CL, TF, ES, 6E, 6A, 6B, etc, etc. every week. I never have any lag, freeze or other issues. I trade fully automated, so I trade advanced systems that require the utmost in reliability. If you have NT issues I would start with your PC/Laptop first and then talk with your broker - the NT7 platform is rock solid to the core. BTW, I am a 11 year NT user so I know the platform and history of the platform extremely well.
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  • Edited 9:03pm Apr 10, 2016 8:41pm | Edited 9:03pm
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  • #87
  • Apr 13, 2016 6:02am Apr 13, 2016 6:02am
Quoting COGnizant
Just an update with my Ninjatrader usage past months. The new NT8 is FANTASTIC and I am converting all of my automated systems over from NT7 to NT8 at this time. I have completely stopped using the degrading MT4 platform and I am DONE with MT4 for good! Ninjatrader is just the king right now and they should be adding foreign Forex broker clearing in the months ahead (so US customers can trade Forex without using junk US rules). As far as reliability goes - second to none! I run NT on 4 different computers (1 laptop and 3 pc's) and I trade FX, CL,...
No any US traders who trade with foreign brokers who are not registered with the CFTC is still subject to possible prosecutions under the Frank-Dodd rule regardless which platforms they use and Ninja Trader is just a platform. It's NOT a forex broker that's registered with CFTC.

Right now, the Ninja Trader broker is only an Introducing Broker to various futures broker in the US but that's for FUTURES ONLY NOT for Forex.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #88
  • Edited 7:37am Apr 13, 2016 7:07am | Edited 7:37am
Ninja Trader is a fine software but ONLY for charting and backtesting. It has a large warehouse of indicators and has a very fast and intuitive backtesting facility that is easy to use. Its charting is pleasant to look at with its easily customizable colors and formats. But this is where the advantage of Ninja trader stops.

It is EXTREMELY HORRIBLE and UNRELIABLE as a trading platform especially for the high cost it charges. Its server is EXTREMELY slow in that it has high latency between the execution of program codes and the actual execution of trades so it puts in duplicate trades for signals that's generated and executed and that is when the platform actually executes signals generated by the strategy if you trade with one. Ninja Trader even acknowledges it themselves but does nothing to improve it. On average, it misses about 40% of the trading signals generated by the strategy. It's absolutely ridiculous!! Occasionally you still get extreme price spikes that completely screw up your indicators, although now you can fix it by just reloading the chart but if you have a strategy loaded, it gets screwed up too and you would have to take it off and then reload it. And speaking of reloading the charts, it is EXTREMELY slow in downloading the price bars and updating the chart and many times you have to exit from the entire platform and then relaunch it just to get the charts updated especially if you have multiple charts that need to be updated.

So Ninja Trader is good but use it only for charting and backtesting. But if you want to pay $180 for 3 months of use (the cheapest plan) to trade live, you have been warned.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #89
  • May 13, 2016 5:07am May 13, 2016 5:07am
Quoting Forexia
Ninja Trader is a fine software but ONLY for charting and backtesting. It has a large warehouse of indicators and has a very fast and intuitive backtesting facility that is easy to use. Its charting is pleasant to look at with its easily customizable colors and formats. But this is where the advantage of Ninja trader stops. It is EXTREMELY HORRIBLE and UNRELIABLE as a trading platform especially for the high cost it charges. Its server is EXTREMELY slow in that it has high latency between the execution of program codes and the actual execution of...
I quite agree with all the above. Ninja is certainly not the greatest thing since sliced bread. The connection is forever going down. some times for just a few seconds other times many minutes. Part of the trouble is Rithmic itself. Very unstable. And don't tell me it's my Poota or connection. ALL other platforms running at the same time including 3 MT4s & Sierra & the only one with connection problems. Yup Ninja. Bought & paid for it 14yrs ago & wish to this day i hadn't.

Anyone wanna buy it for 1/2 price,????

PS: Re: slow loading. If you restrict the days to load to under 100 days it loads real quick.
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  • #90
  • May 13, 2016 10:47am May 13, 2016 10:47am
Quoting Basill
{quote} I quite agree with all the above. Ninja is certainly not the greatest thing since sliced bread. The connection is forever going down. some times for just a few seconds other times many minutes. Part of the trouble is Rithmic itself. Very unstable. And don't tell me it's my Poota or connection. ALL other platforms running at the same time including 3 MT4s & Sierra & the only one with connection problems. Yup Ninja. Bought & paid for it 14yrs ago & wish to this day i hadn't. Anyone wanna buy it for 1/2 price,???? PS: Re: slow loading. If you...
It's NOT just Rithmic that gets affected by this. Rithmic is a fine data feed. I bet you if you use another platform with Rithmic you will have none of the problems that you encountered with Ninja. No matter what data feed, CQG, your broker's own data feed, whatever that you use with Ninja Trader will be plagued by the slowness and the constant price spikes, down time. It takes 20 minutes just to load up a chart with the updated price just for like 1/2 hour of data when all other platforms are instant. And many times you have to do it more than once if you have multiple charts that need to be updated. You have to log off, shut down Ninja Trader and then restart it. Ninja Trader will ALWAYS blame either you, your internet connection, your broker or your data feed when in fact it's their data server that is just crap. It's set up to be crappy on purpose just so you buy their super expensive kinetics data package. And the funny thing is once I switch to another platform, all of those issues are non-existent and I use the same data feed from my broker as when I was with Ninja Trader.

And this is just with data. When you start to program your strategies to trade automatically via Ninja Trader, another feature that they boast, it's even worse. Your trade signals won't even execute and when they do, they get executed twice. And they of course blame on your codes even when they admitted the latency issue in their server and then they try to push their new 3rd-party consulting service on you to charge you hundreds of dollars to just take a look at your proprietary codes.

All in all, Ninja Trader is just a fancy charting software and backtesting facility and a front to sell you data packages and 3rd-party consulting services once they got you hooked on their pretty charts. So as long as you don't touch their live servers, you are fine but once you pay to use their servers for anything live, then you realize it's a whole different ball game by that time it's too late, they've already got your money and they don't give it a shit anymore; they have already earned back all the things that they provided to you for free before. You want to get your problems fixed? You have to pay more and that's how they make money. Screw up something on purpose to make you pay to get something that they were supposed to provide to you in the first place. I feel so sorry for you that you bought the Ninja license. I wouldn't touch Ninja Trader EVEN if you pay me to use it.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #91
  • May 22, 2016 8:09pm May 22, 2016 8:09pm
Quoting Forexia
{quote} Bankrobber, LEAVE!!!!! Nobody wants your pathetic useless third-grade indicators here!!! Take your snake oil business elsewhere!!! And thanks for telling us that Ninja Trader crashes too on top of other problems. At least when I was using it, it actually didn't crash on me that much except maybe only once. LOL NOW GET OUT OF HERE!!!
You mentioned that multiple SSD drives helps you trading. how does that work?I just bought and i7 4 gigahertz gaming computer in order to make things run smoothly On ninjatrader with a strategy that I am creating.Do you think that I can have 4 monitors running at once in order to view 4 different charts or will that slow ninjatrader down?I just wanted to make sure that my data feed is not slowed down and that the data displayed on my screens is not slowed down. I have an Nvidia card pre-installed in the computer that I bought.Thanks a million
  • #92
  • Edited 10:52pm May 22, 2016 9:03pm | Edited 10:52pm
Quoting Mavin
{quote} You mentioned that multiple SSD drives helps you trading. how does that work?I just bought and i7 4 gigahertz gaming computer in order to make things run smoothly On ninjatrader with a strategy that I am creating.Do you think that I can have 4 monitors running at once in order to view 4 different charts or will that slow ninjatrader down?I just wanted to make sure that my data feed is not slowed down and that the data displayed on my screens is not slowed down. I have an Nvidia card pre-installed in the computer that I bought.Thanks a million...
I have never used SSD drives on my computer. It might've been something that was mentioned by Bankrobber who was actually an indicator salesman that was affliated with Ninja Trader. He got labelled as "Commercial Member" on FF subsequently. He saw himself exposed and just disappeared from FF and never posted here ever since.

Anyway, in terms of Ninja Trader slowness, I feel it has more to do with the Ninja Trader servers and the way it chooses to run C# and not really with your personal computer's per se. As long as your computer has ample memories and CPU speed, you should have no problem running Ninja Trader. But running strategies and indicators is a different story. Because running strategies and indicators involves Ninja Trader servers and as I have stated in my previous posts, Ninja Trader servers have severe latency issues (issues that Ninja Trader has acknowledged themselves but refuse to do something about) which gravely impacts the running of strategies and/or indicators, so you would need to be prepared that your strategies and indicators, no matter they are designed and how well they run in backtesting, they will NOT run properly in live environment. You WILL experience missed signals from time to time and I would NOT recommend anybody to use strategies/indicators to trade and since Ninja Trader servers is something that is beyond any of us traders' control, there is nothing you can do anything about. Consider yourself warned.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #93
  • Jun 11, 2016 4:33pm Jun 11, 2016 4:33pm
Ninja Trader may have some cool features, but its one of the worst piece of software in the world. Full of bugs, slow, crash all the time. I run 10 MT4 copies simultaneously with each one running multiple EA without any problem. But running 1 NT is never free from problems. And you have to pay to use this piece of junk.
  • #94
  • Last Post: Oct 2, 2016 1:59pm Oct 2, 2016 1:59pm
Quoting Forexia
{quote} I have never used SSD drives on my computer. It might've been something that was mentioned by Bankrobber who was actually an indicator salesman that was affliated with Ninja Trader. He got labelled as "Commercial Member" on FF subsequently. He saw himself exposed and just disappeared from FF and never posted here ever since. Anyway, in terms of Ninja Trader slowness, I feel it has more to do with the Ninja Trader servers and the way it chooses to run C# and not really with your personal computer's per se. As long as your computer has ample...
Hi Forexia,
I am new to using Ninjatrader and for the last few months it functioned ok.

The thing I wish to understand is where their servers come into action. I know they has historical data servers that when I use CQG the historical data comes from them. Apart from historical data, as I understood it, the strategies and indicators are receiving realtime data from the data provider (not NT servers) and the executions happen when I submit an order with API to the broker (IB in my case, which makes me open TWS in the same time). So where is the intervention of the their servers in the execution/calculations? I also used their brokerage account that didn't make me open any other software in the background, maybe it is faster.
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