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  • #501
  • Oct 27, 2015 1:30pm Oct 27, 2015 1:30pm
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...09#post8549209

Anyone short S&P right now?
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  • #502
  • Edited 2:20pm Oct 27, 2015 2:08pm | Edited 2:20pm
Quoting Captain Jack
{quote} Forex is quite different from the stock market. I just brought the formation from the equities market into my forex trading and it works well... when volume drys up, it will fall.... look at the 4 examples I posted a few pages back. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...88#post8557688 -CJ_ {image}
I know you only trade forex, but i guess the same could be applied to index, no?

How far off would you say I am from doing the method correctly?
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Or is it like this?
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The difference between the lead in Hi and BUMP Hi is not big enough though.
Energy, frequency and vibration.
  • #503
  • Oct 27, 2015 2:12pm Oct 27, 2015 2:12pm
Quoting drammen
{quote} I know you only trade forex, but i guess the same could be applied to index, no? How far off would you say I am from doing the method correctly? {image}
I took it from the equities market but it a price volume exhaustion formation... I don't see why it wouldn't work...

http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.p...ersal_reversal

-CJ-
A man is not defeated when he is beaten, he is defeated when he quits.
  • #504
  • Oct 27, 2015 2:30pm Oct 27, 2015 2:30pm
hopeless attempt to fit the price to your bias.
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  • #505
  • Oct 27, 2015 2:32pm Oct 27, 2015 2:32pm
FROM MY OPINION THERE ARE REPEATED PATTERN IN PRICE MOVEMENT,BUT ALWAYS THERE IS NO CERTAINTY EVEN FOR THE LARGEST PARTICIPANT IN THIS MARKET TO WIN.


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  • #506
  • Oct 27, 2015 2:37pm Oct 27, 2015 2:37pm
Quoting tashkent
hopeless attempt to fit the price to your bias. {image}
He's already said it's invalid ..... "The difference between the lead in Hi and BUMP Hi is not big enough though. "....

-CJ-
A man is not defeated when he is beaten, he is defeated when he quits.
  • #507
  • Oct 27, 2015 2:48pm Oct 27, 2015 2:48pm
in theory, price, made of up and down movements, creates infinite variations, out of which you can make up any patterns you like, including repetitive patterns. and all one needs to do is to find the reasons why these identical patterns emerge and exploit these underlying fundamentals.
As Above, So Below
  • #508
  • Oct 27, 2015 4:28pm Oct 27, 2015 4:28pm
A/U long-term projection, time axis not to scale.

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  • #509
  • Oct 27, 2015 5:25pm Oct 27, 2015 5:25pm
Trading ideas
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  • #510
  • Oct 27, 2015 5:50pm Oct 27, 2015 5:50pm
Yes, it is possible. How arrogant we humans are to assume that a creation of something (the market) by fallible beings need not adhere to the same natural laws that anything in this physical universe is bound to. The reason your feet are on the ground isn't my opinion, it's a LAW OF PHYSICS. Go jump off of a cliff while screaming 'I don't believe in gravity' and see if gravity cares what you believe. The market's are bound to these same harmonic conjugates and it's beyond idiotic to think that they are immune simply because people have no understanding of applied mathematics: PHYSICS, or what used to be called Natural Law. Patterns are obvious, but you can predict price movement (an advertisement for VALUE) with absolute precision. "But you'd have to know how many buyers are sellers and blah blah." NO. The market is moved by the creation of liquidity and volume by the market makers as much as the LAWS OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE allow them to. Read this again and again. END
  • #511
  • Oct 27, 2015 5:53pm Oct 27, 2015 5:53pm
Quoting disker23
Yes, it is possible. How arrogant we humans are to assume that a creation of something (the market) by fallible beings need not adhere to the same natural laws that anything in this physical universe is bound to. The reason your feet are on the ground isn't my opinion, it's a LAW OF PHYSICS. Go jump off of a cliff while screaming 'I don't believe in gravity' and see if gravity cares what you believe. The market's are bound to these same harmonic conjugates and it's beyond idiotic to think that they are immune simply because people have no understanding...
  • #512
  • Oct 27, 2015 6:18pm Oct 27, 2015 6:18pm
CJ, thanks for sharing all this info, they are valuable.

about EBAY, are you talking abous a certain "Encylopedia..." ?


Regards
  • #513
  • Oct 27, 2015 6:32pm Oct 27, 2015 6:32pm
Quoting disker23
Yes, it is possible. How arrogant we humans are to assume that a creation of something (the market) by fallible beings need not adhere to the same natural laws that anything in this physical universe is bound to. The reason your feet are on the ground isn't my opinion, it's a LAW OF PHYSICS. Go jump off of a cliff while screaming 'I don't believe in gravity' and see if gravity cares what you believe. The market's are bound to these same harmonic conjugates and it's beyond idiotic to think that they are immune simply because people have no understanding...
... Only one read required.

People limit themselves thru fear and those fears become their facts. Which of course obscures any exploration of the truth for them. Even when it's shown to them repeatedly.

The world is flat ... yada yada yada .... Try to prove different and they scream you're crazy and you'll fall off it's edge! Scares me to think where we'd be without those who seek "the edge" ... and then beyond. Still living in caves no doubt.
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  • #514
  • Oct 27, 2015 7:03pm Oct 27, 2015 7:03pm
Quoting Fiox89
CJ, thanks for sharing all this info, they are valuable. about EBAY, are you talking abous a certain "Encylopedia..." ? Regards
It was a sarcastic reference to all the $97 "get rich quick" EA's and systems that are sold over the net....

However, if you are interested in chart patterns and candlesticks, Tom Bulkowskis Encyclopedia of Chart Patterns is worth the money...

http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-C.../dp/0471668265

-CJ-
A man is not defeated when he is beaten, he is defeated when he quits.
  • #515
  • Edited 7:23pm Oct 27, 2015 7:03pm | Edited 7:23pm
Quoting disker23
Yes, it is possible. How arrogant we humans are to assume that a creation of something (the market) by fallible beings need not adhere to the same natural laws that anything in this physical universe is bound to. The reason your feet are on the ground isn't my opinion, it's a LAW OF PHYSICS. Go jump off of a cliff while screaming 'I don't believe in gravity' and see if gravity cares what you believe. The market's are bound to these same harmonic conjugates and it's beyond idiotic to think that they are immune simply because people have no understanding...
i gave a little thought if i should respond to your post, but the word "END" with capital letters made to point out a few things, so here we go.
it is not the END my friend (if you think we are not friends, just disregard that word).
actually there is no "END" to anything. there is no end and no beginning.
there is no absolute truth. everything and anything you consider ultimate truth (as you have underlined with the word "END") is in reality not what you think. there is always something behind something. everything is relative.
you talk about "LAWS OF PHYSICS" (using the capital letters again). fine. but what laws of physics are you talking about? i have to guess, about Newtonian laws? if so i need to mention the fact that newtonian laws are not applicable to everything, in reality they are very limited. that is why we have Einstein's theories and quantum theories, and many others to explain the physical realities that newtonian laws can not.
as i said there is no ultimate truth and for every fact you accept as truth, there is a controversial fact. just to give an example: you say gravity does not care of if one jumps off the cliff screaming he does not believe in gravity. i will say, sometimes it does care. i will give you only one example. in 1972 a lady survived a 33,330 ft free fall after her plane exploded in the sky and fully recovered and continued her job as flight attendant.
again, there is no such thing as "PHYSICAL LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE". more likely, there is a multiverse (multi universes or worlds, each having their own physical laws and realities). the law of our universe does not necessarily apply to quantum world. so it may not be reasonable to apply newtonian laws to markets directly. and there are just too many things missing when you say "The market is moved by the creation of liquidity and volume by the market makers ", i do not even want to start, because your statement is completely incomplete.
my final say is that the discussion about whether price can be precisely predicted, will remain open and there is nobody can prove anything, never.
As Above, So Below
  • #516
  • Oct 27, 2015 7:10pm Oct 27, 2015 7:10pm
Quoting albchr
{quote} ... Only one read required. People limit themselves thru fear and those fears become their facts. Which of course obscures any exploration of the truth for them. Even when it's shown to them repeatedly. The world is flat ... yada yada yada .... Try to prove different and they scream you're crazy and you'll fall off it's edge! Scares me to think where we'd be without those who seek "the edge" ... and then beyond. Still living in caves no doubt.
Deep thought mode, on......

Our illusion of reality, is what we create for ourselves, by our beliefs, our convictions and our certainties. Some people believe that the world we live in is a hologram, or an illusion. If you are a spiritual person, then it has to be. Let me explain...

An illusion is a creation, something that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses. Take a dream for example. When you are in the dream, everything is real to you. It affects you, emotionally and physically, therefor it is real. That is, it is real as long as you are in it. Once you leave the dream, the distortion of the illusion is gone and you see the truth again. Our "realities" are illusions. They are things we create that in essence, can and do distort our senses and perceptions. The stronger our beliefs are, the more conviction and certainty that we have towards those beliefs, the stronger the perceptions we experience. Illusions are real because they affect us. We can sense them and we can experience them, therefore they are real. When you cant sense or experience something, then it can't be real. Some of the illusions of our reality, if we let them, are created not by us, but by being convinced by others that their illusion is real. If I can convince you that price prediction is real, that patterns repeat, that this is not random, them my illusion becomes part of your illusion of reality. If I cannot convince you, then you can not sense or experience my illusion, and it is not real to you and it can not exist. You neither experience it nor sense it. That's what it's like when somebody tries to explain trade risk to me and how and why I shouldn't trade as I do. I understand how it is computed if you want a certain % of risk on each trade, but the illusion of risk, as most know it, is not part of my illusion or reality. When trying to explain something to somebody, you are trying to convince them to make your illusion, theirs, but if they have little or no conviction or certainty of the belief, then the illusion will never be real to them and can never be part of their illusions of reality.

That's why I say the world is an illusion because once I pass, I will no longer be in the illusion of this world, and I will see the truth, much the same as when you awake from a dream.

Deep thought mode off...

-CJ-
A man is not defeated when he is beaten, he is defeated when he quits.
  • #517
  • Oct 27, 2015 7:52pm Oct 27, 2015 7:52pm
Newtonian physics works most of the time. -- but here is a real and perfect analog example of something that's not supposed to happen and its been there for a long time.

Traditional science still does not accept this and hides behind the gyros precession mathematics.

This only proves that you can see, with reproducible repetition a true reality but still have the description completely wrong.

there is more to the gyro and science can not explain it - and they ignore it - and tell you there is nothing here - the math explains it all.

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good thread to the op
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  • #518
  • Oct 27, 2015 9:20pm Oct 27, 2015 9:20pm
Greeting Traders. I do not usually post on FF to often as many threads are full of negativity... after spending the day reading each post of this thread, there seems to be a pretty good vibe so far - overall - with just a few naysayers here.

CJ - So many thanks for all you have shared. Kuddos also for your UNwillingness to take anyone's money for training or reports or signals... a sign of your true person and your value to this community. Your willingness to speak what you know and back it up is most impressive. Its sad to see the naysayers as I believe your reality could be everyone's. Blessings to you and your wife for continued health.

I am also conviced that price can be projected... I really don't care for the word predict.

The chart patterns are there folks, I won't try to articulate since CJ has done such a brilliant job of that already. Elliott Wave, Harmonics, Vibratory, Candlesticks, etc etc all have relevant patterns that effective traders use successfully day in and day out. The fact that CJ doesn't need these particular patterns and uses naked charts and repetitive patterns is impressive. The fact he is willing to share this methodolgy with you - and back it up with screenshots - is amazing.

I like to think of chart patterns as a foriegn language. It is up to each trader to learn to interpret and understand what the charts are telling us... EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW IS ON THE CHART ALREADY... Each of us has to learn how to interpret what the information (pattern) is telling us. Because the patterns repeat themselves over and over and over, successful projections & trading can be achieved by any of us.

I really like the "Building Block" lesson presented earlier in the thread here... brilliantly described and alot of information shared there... my interprettion of that lesson is EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW IS ON THE CHART ALREADY.

I take most of my trades via pending orders while I am sleeping... I am a successful trader. I project (predict) where price is going to go and I place my orders then go to bed. My success rate is 81% for the last 2 years. I trade patterns... the same patterns I have seen before... over and over and over. ALL time frames & ALL financial intruments replay the same patterns over and over and over again.

You all have seen these patterns, questions are (1) can you recognize them & (2) have you educated yourself to interpret the pattern and what it is telling you about the next move?

I also believe that exact entries are possible too... Here is one I posted a few years ago when I was more active on FF. This trade triggered WHILE I WAS SLEEPING!!! Yes, price can be projected (predicted) to the pip!
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...7&d=1341887380

Best regards to all traders for success
Cheers!
  • #519
  • Oct 27, 2015 9:48pm Oct 27, 2015 9:48pm
Newtonian Physics is STILL misunderstood. Did you what Newton thought his biggest contribution/ interest was in? It was Alchemy and his translation of the Emerald Tablets. It's also how he derived all of these laws.

and in regards to it being possible or not.......trust me....it is. Nature provides a counterbalance for everything. Candlesticks don't have some unique ability to avoid it (God forbid you actually use them). How do i know this is possible? Use your imagination so I don't get fired. Best to all!
  • #520
  • Oct 27, 2015 9:59pm Oct 27, 2015 9:59pm
Quoting deanoracer
Greeting Traders. I do not usually post on FF to often as many threads are full of negativity... after spending the day reading each post of this thread, there seems to be a pretty good vibe so far - overall - with just a few naysayers here. CJ - So many thanks for all you have shared. Kuddos also for your UNwillingness to take anyone's money for training or reports or signals... a sign of your true person and your value to this community. Your willingness to speak what you know and back it up is most impressive. Its sad to see the naysayers as...
Well said and completely true. (nice entry there as well) I knew this thread was going to be interesting.
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