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  • May 30, 2014 6:41pm May 30, 2014 6:41pm
  •  tostaky06
  • | Joined Apr 2014 | Status: Member | 101 Posts
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Next target maybe ...
 
 
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  • May 31, 2014 4:09am May 31, 2014 4:09am
  •  emptymind
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i believe intermediate wave (3) will extend and take out the top at 1163 but we have to switch to natural log to calculate the targets. it is reasonable for wave (3) to be 261.8% of wave (1)

wave (0) = 339.79
wave (1) = 548
wave (2) = 420.27

(ln(548)-ln(339.79))*2.618+ln(429.27) = 1,500.19 ...this a reasonable wave (3) target

minute wave i, ii, iii, iv, v of the minor wave 5 will move rapidly with little corrections all the way to 1500.......
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@venzen, i apologize for the basher remarks
 
 
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  • May 31, 2014 8:20am May 31, 2014 8:20am
  •  tostaky06
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I don't bash him, i like to read him, i'm just happy to see chart, i said i will keep whatever it happen ...

Sorry for my humor if it hurts you ...

(and hope Putin will make a deal with Hollande the 5th June against dollar ^^, but they are threaten BNP )
 
 
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  • May 31, 2014 9:49am May 31, 2014 9:49am
  •  gjgjg
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Keeping a close eye on the bitstamp orderbook, some big 'sell walls' lurking! But more sellers than expected at this price!
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  • May 31, 2014 10:00am May 31, 2014 10:00am
  •  dswk
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Hum...
I try a sell there and will sell again if approching my SL. sl will not move a lot. at least less than 10 BTC/$

Daily chart.
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  • Edited at 10:27am May 31, 2014 10:11am | Edited at 10:27am
  •  lady_luck
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{quote} i think the blue count "looks" right... the idea that there was a weakening of downtrend and then a gradual rise and the waves are building bigger and bigger - it seems like the amplitude (or degree?) of each wave is increasing. It'll be interesting to see what the correction from around 620 does - whether it retraces deeply or just bounces off the ascending channel and continues...
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Thanks, I also prefer the blue count, and the reason you are giving are exactly why
Although, I've notice two interesting things (surprisingly adding up to 1 by fib)
First is about wave 1, it's more clear on altcoins and LTC(even on the daily) or wave i of BTC, the corrective wave 2 tend to end at fib .764 .With that logic we could may be make sens of april move to 540 on BTC ?
The second thing is about the BTC structure, we are waiting for an overlap to help situate ourselves. But the structure remind me a lot of 2011, a succession of wave with "horizontal" correction near the top (fib .236), the subminuette are especially interesting :
http://i.imgur.com/IvY8mxD.png
 
 
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  • May 31, 2014 9:20pm May 31, 2014 9:20pm
  •  venzen
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{quote} Thanks, I also prefer the blue count, and the reason you are giving are exactly why Although, I've notice two interesting things (surprisingly adding up to 1 by fib) First is about wave 1, it's more clear on altcoins and LTC(even on the daily) or wave i of BTC, the corrective wave 2 tend to end at fib .764 .With that logic we could may be make sens of april move to 540 on BTC ? The second thing is about the BTC structure, we are waiting for an overlap to help situate ourselves. But the structure remind me a lot of 2011, a succession of...
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Good morning from Thailand, lady_luck,

30 degrees at 8am and the cicadas are announcing a cooker of a day! No-doubt the sky will be filled with popcorn clouds by 3pm and thunder showers all night tonight.

The 2011 chart gives a lot of insight. As well as what LTCUSD is doing the past few weeks. The bearish scenario is very much alive - maybe not for a lower low but for a protracted consolidation around 440. This wave up is impressive but it does not have the shape or accompanying indicators of a BTC advance.
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  • May 31, 2014 9:41pm May 31, 2014 9:41pm
  •  venzen
  • Joined Jul 2011 | Status: good | 4,295 Posts
BTCe 4H

The clues of imminent reversal are in the S/R and in MACD (bottom). Unless price can shoot up and clear the previous MACD high, the divergence will enforce a reversal and strong correction to "reset" MACD. This is not an absolute requirement but is true most of the time. I can't give a percentage probability because I'm wrong 50% of the time and 90% of statistics are just made up anyway.

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  • Jun 1, 2014 1:14am Jun 1, 2014 1:14am
  •  emptymind
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im no a fan of indicators but the weekly macd is setting up for the mother of all rallys.
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LL, venzen and others... are you going to fight the trend all the way to 8K+? and also fight the market cycles too? impressively stubborn you both are!
 
 
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  • Jun 1, 2014 2:38am Jun 1, 2014 2:38am
  •  venzen
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im no a fan of indicators but the weekly macd is setting up for the mother of all rallys. {image} LL, venzen and others... are you going to fight the trend all the way to 8K+? and also fight the market cycles too? impressively stubborn you both are!
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hi emptymind,

I'm not fighting - it might seem like i'm doing that - but I'm hedged both ways in this market, because there are many ambigious signals.

I'd believe the rally has legs if we can clear the ATH. Seems stubborn, I know, but the the chart and cold logic forces me to play BTC this way this time. There will be other rallies and other corrections. But I have to believe my analysis - and respect this market and my trading funds. Cycle theory and past behaviour is not the core of my method. Catching a contra-indicated rally on a "maybe" is not guaranteed to pay my bills come month end. Besides, I have a deep suspicion that something is wrong with this market - when I've ignored this intuition in the past I've always ended up regretting it. That's just me. Sorry if I'm not joining your enthusiasm.

If BTCUSD goes to 10,000 I'll take profit there and target 440 short.
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  • Jun 1, 2014 4:37am Jun 1, 2014 4:37am
  •  KiwiOz
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{quote} hi emptymind, I'm not fighting - it might seem like i'm doing that - but I'm hedged both ways in this market, because there are many ambigious signals. I'd believe the rally has legs if we can clear the ATH. Seems stubborn, I know, but the the chart and cold logic forces me to play BTC this way this time. There will be other rallies and other corrections. But I have to believe my analysis - and respect this market and my trading funds. Cycle theory and past behaviour is not the core of my method. Catching a contra-indicated rally on a "maybe"...
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YUP". I too will be sticking to my own analysis until proven otherwise.
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  • Jun 1, 2014 5:16am Jun 1, 2014 5:16am
  •  emptymind
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i understand many of you want the market to prove itself and take out the ATH at 1163. but that actually already happened at the cycle degree level at 259.34. the market already took out that high which proves we are in an extended wave (III) trend / channel...

if you look at my cycle degree labels. we can already show the minimum target for wave III (cycle degree) is 5256. that is where wave I equal wave III in size according to ewp that is the minimum. this is a conservative target because wave three in general are atleast 161.8% of wave one in real life charts or even larger

to calculate minimum wave III target ...,
ln(259.34)-ln(2.22)+ln(45)=5,256.89

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  • Jun 1, 2014 7:31am Jun 1, 2014 7:31am
  •  gjgjg
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i understand many of you want the market to prove itself and take out the ATH at 1163. but that actually already happened at the cycle degree level at 259.34. the market already took out that high which proves we are in an extended wave (III) trend / channel... if you look at my cycle degree labels. we can already show the minimum target for wave III (cycle degree) is 5256. that is where wave I equal wave III in size according to ewp that is the minimum. this is a conservative target because wave three in general are atleast 161.8% of wave one in...
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If I may emptymind, based on your chart, a correction is still possible to the magnitude of what the others were saying, I believe (I crudely adjusted your chart below to illustrate what I mean - assuming the support line is as reliable at holding the previous 'breeches' as it is now - I copy pasted an old breach from Nov'13 in blue). A spike out of the support line you drew, if similar to previous ones, would hit around 350/400 (?). Im not used to looking at log charts
Just to note Im not taking sides and see potential for both scenarios, my preference would be your scenario - straight up to 5K+ without any messing around but knowing my luck, the opposite will happen lol
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  • Edited at 10:17am Jun 1, 2014 9:56am | Edited at 10:17am
  •  lady_luck
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{quote} Good morning from Thailand, lady_luck, 30 degrees at 8am and the cicadas are announcing a cooker of a day! No-doubt the sky will be filled with popcorn clouds by 3pm and thunder showers all night tonight. The 2011 chart gives a lot of insight. As well as what LTCUSD is doing the past few weeks. The bearish scenario is very much alive - maybe not for a lower low but for a protracted consolidation around 440. This wave up is impressive but it does not have the shape or accompanying indicators of a BTC advance.
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Hello,

Yes I remember those days, it must be even worst in the islands. I hope your electricity survived.

About a coming consolidation at 440, I'm afraid it already happened with the sideway. And I believe it's now a very significant support level.
As of resetting the indicators, it sometime happen in stranger ways, an other sideway with daily candle closing constantly below the previous O/C would do the same, isn't it ?

Either way finally got my 660 on bitfinex, so I should be short, or sitting it out, but i can't see that a wave v is thru... And LTC is still lagging behind, so may be we might have one more wave shooting to 730 before any significant retracement/weekly sideway.

Emptymind, I've been long since 470, the same as you, and I believe Venzen and KO were too. The fact that we traded it down to 410 doesnt make us bears, basher or idiots. Neither does successfully trading this up move on a wave by wave basis. Now trading with caution and eliminating alternative scenario is also a good way to go.
 
 
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  • Edited at 12:28pm Jun 1, 2014 12:05pm | Edited at 12:28pm
  •  venzen
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i understand many of you want the market to prove itself and take out the ATH at 1163. but that actually already happened at the cycle degree level at 259.34. the market already took out that high which proves we are in an extended wave (III) trend / channel... if you look at my cycle degree labels. we can already show the minimum target for wave III (cycle degree) is 5256. that is where wave I equal wave III in size according to ewp that is the minimum. this is a conservative target because wave three in general are atleast 161.8% of wave one in...
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emptymind, according to EWP your calculation is valid and highly likely. In fact 1.618 of wave 1 would be the minimum (as you say) but knowing BTC it could be way more. But let's work with the minimum for starters.
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  • Jun 1, 2014 12:06pm Jun 1, 2014 12:06pm
  •  venzen
  • Joined Jul 2011 | Status: good | 4,295 Posts
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{quote} If I may emptymind, based on your chart, a correction is still possible to the magnitude of what the others were saying, I believe (I crudely adjusted your chart below to illustrate what I mean - assuming the support line is as reliable at holding the previous 'breeches' as it is now - I copy pasted an old breach from Nov'13 in blue). A spike out of the support line you drew, if similar to previous ones, would hit around 350/400 (?). Im not used to looking at log charts Just to note Im not taking sides and see potential for both scenarios,...
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gjgjg, that is exactly the potential scenario. thanks for the illustration and graphic splicing!
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  • Edited at 12:32pm Jun 1, 2014 12:14pm | Edited at 12:32pm
  •  venzen
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{quote} Hello, Yes I remember those days, it must be even worst in the islands. I hope your electricity survived. About a coming consolidation at 440, I'm afraid it already happened with the sideway. And I believe it's now a very significant support level. As of resetting the indicators, it sometime happen in stranger ways, an other sideway with daily candle closing constantly below the previous O/C would do the same, isn't it ? Either way finally got my 660 on bitfinex, so I should be short, or sitting it out, but i can't see that a wave v is thru......
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L_L, hot and then rain all afternoon - cooling everything down - and my electricity held.

I think we have the ending of this amazing wave putting in at smaller and smaller degrees. The last 4-5 days' action from 550 (on Bitfinex because thats the chart I have handy) looks like a fractal of the entire wave from near 410. This last segment should be wave 5 and then a correction is due, but i agree with you: it could go well into the 700s still. How it corrects will be very interesting and I hope we can stock up on some cheap longs down there!

edit: altho 670-680 (finex) seems to be a good end

edit3: actually, the chart below looks more like the entire rise from 340, doesn't it?

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  • Jun 1, 2014 12:27pm Jun 1, 2014 12:27pm
  •  venzen
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i saw a chart on TradingView this morning where the analyst showed the similarity between this rise and the July 2013 low - the wave up from 60ish had gone to exactly the height of the previous high which will be 717ish Finex and 700 BTCe. That will also allow wave 5 to make the customary parabolic finish.

Of course, a turn can happen anywhere from now
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  • Jun 1, 2014 12:30pm Jun 1, 2014 12:30pm
  •  lady_luck
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{quote} L_L, hot and then rain all afternoon - cooling everything down - and my electricity held. I think we have the ending of this amazing wave putting in at smaller and smaller degrees. The last 4-5 days' action from 550 (on Bitfinex because thats the chart I have handy) looks like a fractal of the entire wave from near 410. This last segment should be wave 5 and then a correction is due, but i agree with you: it could go well into the 700s still. How it corrects will be very interesting and I hope we can stock up on some cheap longs down...
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I was looking at KO chart, if this is a C, then it's already more than equal to A (A=C=630), so next and ultimate target is 1.6 or 740
If this is wave v of 3, then yes, 680 to 730.
About the coming correction, if it's a wave 4 I won't expect it lower than .764 or .618 at best.
If this is the top of wave I of the advance, then 540 would be my target for wave II
We'll know the top of v or whatever is there when LTC spikes


edit : I know i'm bashing it with NXT, but It's been really good to me since last time i mentioned, now third market cap, and there is project in developement to implement direct "purchase" USD to NXT (without BTC). Possibly in uptrend, I have some higher target still coming up.
 
 
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  • Jun 1, 2014 1:35pm Jun 1, 2014 1:35pm
  •  venzen
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{quote} I was looking at KO chart, if this is a C, then it's already more than equal to A (A=C=630), so next and ultimate target is 1.6 or 740 If this is wave v of 3, then yes, 680 to 730. About the coming correction, if it's a wave 4 I won't expect it lower than .764 or .618 at best. If this is the top of wave I of the advance, then 540 would be my target for wave II We'll know the top of v or whatever is there when LTC spikes edit : I know i'm bashing it with NXT, but It's been really good to me since last time i mentioned, now third market cap,...
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agree on all counts and targets.

some analysts, i think Tai Zen and prof.dr.escobar were discussing NXT this morning and mentioning the same things you just did, Good Luck with that rally - I have to sit it out and hope Execoin does something now the ASICs are pumping out altcoins by the millions!

edit: oh, yes, i was just looking at LTCUSD, wondering if it will confirm a BTC top by rallying, but it also seems to be heading down in unison - well, i say "heading down" - i mean correcting - there may still be more subwaves left in this uptrend...
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