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  • #3,541
  • Edited 3:55pm Apr 30, 2014 3:20pm | Edited 3:55pm
Quoting kakobrekla
This is a nice thread!
Hello,
Hmmm so are you the one who like eastern-European tennis players ?
  • #3,542
  • Apr 30, 2014 5:30pm Apr 30, 2014 5:30pm
Quoting kakobrekla
This is a nice thread! Now that this post got approved (thank you mods) I can finally say what I came to say. ---------------- {quote} I do not think its fair you did not include the whole conversation if you are bringing it out in public, it is not professional (http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-asse...d-regulations/ : see 1a, 1b and 1c), as you like to call it. My reply to me being 'rude bastard' was the following; ---- Since we were laughing it out on IRC, you might as well get the log; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2014#649268...
I don't want to emit any judgement.
But when money is involved, it seems fair the relay public information that 5 minutes of google can provide.

First of I guess this is the thread that brought you here, relayed by gjgjgj : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155859.0

So bitbet : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192905.0
And bitbet again : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134799.0;wap2
And mpex https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.0
And btc4x : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114818.20
And btc4x again : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...736#msg1317736
And if not enough question were already raised : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211298.0

More serious sources than the youngsters from bitcointalk : http://forexmagnates.com/bitcoin-den...ding-at-bit4x/
And also : http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=10008.0

I wouldn't say your reputation is questionable, after-all gambling and forex website are classified as high risk of charge-back by credit card company.
Where money can be made, money can be lost, then false accusation may flow.

I'm not accusing you,. As you say yourself so often in your posts , you don't like to defend yourself (made obvious by the fact that you constantly do so).
I respect that.

So i won't say that the oldest trick in the book is to say "no". Again and again, and even in the rudest fashion, until people beg you to take their money.
And I won't mention convenient lies, such as false FSA submission. Or absence of financial audit.

Last, please understand, I do not care for arguments, I have no personal interest in hearing an answer and I'm sure potential clients can make up their own mind.
There is only trader here, we are your customer base.
So i call that the side effect list at the back of the medicine box, and it's for my fellow traders more than the other party involve.
  • #3,543
  • Apr 30, 2014 7:26pm Apr 30, 2014 7:26pm
for the people who do not like WXY....
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  • #3,544
  • Apr 30, 2014 10:47pm Apr 30, 2014 10:47pm
Well well. late start for me......I see all the retracements went to the "Extreme' targets are only just coming to an end
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  • #3,545
  • Edited 11:22pm Apr 30, 2014 11:01pm | Edited 11:22pm
Quoting kakobrekla
This is a nice thread! Now that this post got approved (thank you mods) I can finally say what I came to say. ---------------- {quote} I do not think its fair you did not include the whole conversation if you are bringing it out in public, it is not professional (http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-asse...d-regulations/ : see 1a, 1b and 1c), as you like to call it. My reply to me being 'rude bastard' was the following; ---- Since we were laughing it out on IRC, you might as well get the log; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2014#649268...
kakobrekla,

I am not sure what's going on here, because the collage quoted above is some of the most disjointed point-making I've seen in a long time. As the thread moderator, Forex Factory expects me to sort this out and will support me where necessary.

Firstly, one Matic Kocevar had responded to a trader who is member of this thread in a manner that can only be described as rude and unprofessional. The reply was posted here since a few members had planned to use the service at Bit4X. So, posting that response is a reasonable action considering the content and tone of it.

Secondly, you have posted here, but the process by which you did so was by misrepresenting your intentions. That is dishonest and devious, so this is significant given that you handle customer funds in trust. We'll return to this point a bit later.

Thirdly, Why on God's Green Earth are you quoting posts from IRC by mircea popescu ? Are you mircea popescu? I know exactly who mircea_popescu is:

2517mircea_popescu2011-07-22 12:39:108A736F0E2FB7B4526160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B4522014-04-30 09:41:27

and you:

655 kakobrekla 2011-05-13 22:04:32 27AF75321F2489E8 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8 2014-04-24 19:36:44 true

I know who mircea is and i know people who have dealt with mircea for a long time and vouch for his knowledge and trust, so something is disconnected here...

Four: you point a finger at lady_luck. Don't. She is a woman in a male dominated environment and industry, so she has special citizens rights. She says what she wants and no one is welcome to isolate her with expectations of what a woman should or should do - or even the fact that she is a woman. Let's deal with the issue, which is attitude in a professional communication.

Five: I am leaving your post up and the Forex Factory moderators out of it for now, so we can try to resolve this. What is going on with your communications there? I had communicated with Matik Kocevar and the conversation had been civil. Due to only having access to MT4 Mobile I encouraged a member here to use your demo. He asked some standard questions and the reply that came from Kocevar was aggressive and sarcastic. You cannot blame this community and its links at BitcoinTalk to act surprized and start discussing the matter widely. I have refrained from taking this to #bitcoin-otc or escalating to the media because I first wanted to have a conversation in private. But, OK, here we are discussing it in public.

So, please, leave everybody else out of this and deal with me. What is going on? Why should we be understanding of that email response? And don't tell me because i'd prefer to hear "your f-cking this or that" or about you being a cheese maker. Control your mouth here and speak like the professional man you present yourself as.
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  • #3,546
  • Apr 30, 2014 11:10pm Apr 30, 2014 11:10pm
Quoting KiwiOz
Well well. late start for me......I see all the retracements went to the "Extreme' targets are only just coming to an end
i got 449 on BTC-e and price touching the 200 MA on the 60min chart. A turn is imminent! Have you got any target higher?
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  • #3,547
  • Apr 30, 2014 11:20pm Apr 30, 2014 11:20pm
hey...just read the posts RE: the Notorious Matic Kocevar. WTF.????????????
Man I am now doubly glad I sent that email. There is no way in hell I would have an account with Bit4X ala VenetFX.
We all rely on polite & understanding support from our brokers. No way your going to get that from them. Sheeeesh.!!!!!!!!

Thanks venzen & Lady_Luck for your input.
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  • #3,548
  • Apr 30, 2014 11:23pm Apr 30, 2014 11:23pm
Quoting venzen
{quote} i got 449 on BTC-e and price touching the 200 MA on the 60min chart. A turn is imminent! Have you got any target higher?
454 would have to be the limit. Be ready to go with the downer. Past moves show sudden & deep moves.
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  • #3,549
  • Apr 30, 2014 11:26pm Apr 30, 2014 11:26pm
Ltc/Btc charts are interesting.
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  • #3,550
  • Apr 30, 2014 11:33pm Apr 30, 2014 11:33pm
Quoting KiwiOz
hey...just read the posts RE: the Notorious Matic Kocevar. WTF.???????????? Man I am now doubly glad I sent that email. There is no way in hell I would have an account with Bit4X ala VenetFX. We all rely on polite & understanding support from our brokers. No way your going to get that from them. Sheeeesh.!!!!!!!! Thanks venzen & Lady_Luck for your input.
Thanks gjgjg for your input too. sure put the cat among the pigeons.....
I think we are dealing with an egotestical (no that is not misspelt) amateur trying to keep up with the big boys.......
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  • #3,551
  • Apr 30, 2014 11:39pm Apr 30, 2014 11:39pm
Quoting KiwiOz
Ltc/Btc charts are interesting. {image} {image}
lTC does look like it has turned already - unless it's about to break the green ascending TL and go for the lower support... let's see... maybe we have to anticipate the end of downtrend soon - unexpected and not so obvious?

Thing is: i've got targets on the lower TLs in a few weeks time... hmmm

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  • #3,552
  • Edited May 1, 2014 7:24am Apr 30, 2014 11:52pm | Edited May 1, 2014 7:24am
It get's worse.
extracted from
http://forexmagnates.com/bitcoin-den...ding-at-bit4x/
According to Matic ‘kakobrekla’ Kočevar, Director of Bit4x, the company currently has a small but growing base of clients.
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  • #3,553
  • Apr 30, 2014 11:54pm Apr 30, 2014 11:54pm
Quoting venzen
{quote} lTC does look like it has turned already - unless it's about to break the green ascending TL and go for the lower support... let's see... maybe we have to anticipate the end of downtrend soon - unexpected and not so obvious? Thing is: i've got targets on the lower TLs in a few weeks time... hmmm {image}
Ltc often seem to be 1/2 a step ahead. Pays to watch it for a lead.
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  • #3,554
  • Apr 30, 2014 11:56pm Apr 30, 2014 11:56pm
Quoting KiwiOz
{quote} Thanks gjgjg for your input too. sure put the cat among the pigeons..... I think we are dealing with an egotestical (no that is not misspelt) amateur trying to keep up with the big boys.......
You know what really surprizes me here is that these guys kakobrekla and mircea_popecu have been running Bitcoin trade for years and have good standing where they operate in freenode.net #bitcoin-otc (over the counter). The fact that they think its funny when they talk to customers this way must be rooted in one of a few issues:

1. Bitcoin fans and users are generally rebellious tearaways - look at us here in the thread! - but most of the bitcoiners on IRC are individualists surviving off of this alternate economy. The combination of "non-establishment" and individualism results in some pretty hefty egos and a general attitude in IRC of "we're different from the rest of society". Lot's of hard attitudes there and this is promoted by the core developers.

2. We're coming from an "establishment" channel here, and may be perceived by this Bitcoin hardcore group as "outsiders" worthy of scorn and ridicule for wanting a slice of the Bitcoin pie which they have spent years cultivating. Little do they know that we are a group of only 5 out of hundreds of thousands of Forex Factory members and we receive regular abuse and scorn for our involvement with Bitcoin.

So, we are their brothers-in-arms (L_L included), but apparently we are, to them, only disposable retailers who can be spoken to in whichever way someone feels like speaking today.

I reckon @kakobrekla can respond to your questions in a helpful way, apologize for the blatant intention to cause offense. I'd also like to know the answers, and i would have asked those same questions had i proceeded to account opening. But @KiwiOz asked them and got a response that @kakobrekla knows is inappropriate.
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  • #3,555
  • Apr 30, 2014 11:56pm Apr 30, 2014 11:56pm
O...K. Now that we have eliminated another shonky broker, we are still seeking a "Reputable" broker to fulfill our desires, The search goes on.
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  • #3,556
  • May 1, 2014 12:10am May 1, 2014 12:10am
Quoting KiwiOz
It get's worse. extraced from http://forexmagnates.com/bitcoin-den...ding-at-bit4x/ According to Matic ‘kakobrekla’ Kočevar, Director of Bit4x, the company currently has a small but growing base of clients.
I am concerned by this whole matter - especially the fact that it is now public. The cryptocurrency media come here and scrape news and can frame things out of context... so this matter can quickly blow out of context and nobody wants that.

I was really glad to find Bit4X and thought their offering was good. I recognized the name Popescu from Bitcoin OTC where he has good standing... You and I were keen to open accounts, but just at the start line, a foulmouthed email communication crashes the whole plan and now it threatens to go big, because no-one wants a a broker to say: "You f*cking get what you get so don't ask questions or we'll give you IRC mouth". How can I trust my money to company with a director who has this kind of attitude? Well i can't and i hear him say "so buzz off then". But why invoke the anger of someone you don't know? Aren't they ashamed or even a little scared we discuss this widely?

I truly do not understand. I hope this company comes to clear this up.

Yes, we have to find a broker, BTC-e don't send emails - not even send rude emails - which is worrying. And Bitfinex are based in Hong Kong (which is a Chinese jurisdiction) and they can be shut at any moment, but they must be hoping for the best - OR they've already practiced how to shrug when they shut shop. This is not a Bitcoin phenomemon only - this is the case with all brokers... they just put up the regulatory facade to give customers a false sense of security...
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  • #3,557
  • May 1, 2014 12:24am May 1, 2014 12:24am
I truly do not understand. I hope this company comes to clear this up.


Not going to happen. He is the "Director" not some underling at the support desk. Idiots are idiots no matter how high their pedestal is perceived by their tiny minds.
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  • #3,558
  • May 1, 2014 12:33am May 1, 2014 12:33am
Just had a "NICE" chat with Andrew at FXopen.com. Very helpful. They now trade Crypto's 24/7. Unfortunately for me not yet in OZ or NZ.
Worth looking into. Based in Kiwi-land
Bugga. Just checked. They do not have USA account provision.

http://fxopen.com/adv/crypto/
http://www.fxopen.com/Default.aspx
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  • #3,559
  • May 1, 2014 12:37am May 1, 2014 12:37am
Quoting KiwiOz
Just had a "NICE" chat with Andrew at FXopen.com. Very helpful. They now trade Crypto's 24/7. Unfortunately for me not yet in OZ or NZ. Worth looking into. Based in Kiwi-land Bugga. Just checked. They do not have USA account provision. http://fxopen.com/adv/crypto/ http://www.fxopen.com/Default.aspx
There may be a way around it........They accept Bitcoin account deposits so how are they to know where you live if you don't tell them.????
You won't be any better off trading wise than with Btc-e. They also charge spread & commission with a 1:3 leverage. But they have a nice chat portal & are in Kiwi land.
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  • #3,560
  • May 1, 2014 1:17am May 1, 2014 1:17am
Quoting KiwiOz
Just had a "NICE" chat with Andrew at FXopen.com. Very helpful. They now trade Crypto's 24/7. Unfortunately for me not yet in OZ or NZ. Worth looking into. Based in Kiwi-land Bugga. Just checked. They do not have USA account provision. http://fxopen.com/adv/crypto/ http://www.fxopen.com/Default.aspx
I see you are "lurking" kakobrekla. Stick around. maybe you will learn something......Like..."Manners"..
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