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  • #41
  • Edited Feb 21, 2014 8:02am Feb 20, 2014 12:39pm | Edited Feb 21, 2014 8:02am
Quoting mitch77
Wow, thats one long post. To summarise: you don't like NinjaTader. What platform do you use, MT4? Have you used Multicharts and if so what do you think of it! Cheers
Yeah sorry about the length of my previous post below(above) but I REALLY don't want another trader to go through what I have experienced with Ninja Trader. It was horrible and it was one of the darkest period of my trading career. The stress that I was going through not getting even correct price data which to a trader is their lifeline was tremendous. And they know it so they deliberately exploit it. I mean if you provide bad products/services, that's fine but deliberately making your products bad and REFUSE to fix it so to force people to pay to get good ones? Uh, NO!! I mean we constantly pay Microsoft to get their good OS, true, but at least Microsoft does not deliberately make their products bad for us to pay to get their good ones; their bad OS is just bad naturally and at least they roll out patches to fix things in their OS from time to time.

Anyway, to answer your question. I have never personally used MultiCharts myself except the very short demo version that I used so I cannot comment on them. And the only thing that's deterring me from using them is their cost. But from my very short demo experience, I find it not too bad, quite powerful and easily customisable but the only thing that I would say is that it's not that user-friendly and it's a bit of learning curve to master all its bells & whistles. Give it a try if you want, they do offer demo versions. And if you didn't get a chance to make it to the end of my long post, I also recommend two other alternatives to MQ4 that I personally used since Ninja Trader and liked. Sierra Charts and VT Trader. I talked a little bit about them at the end of my post.

Hope this helps. Happy hunting!
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #42
  • Feb 21, 2014 2:23am Feb 21, 2014 2:23am
Nah only joking with you, good indepth post.

I just presumed that I should naturally move on to NinjaTader or the like as my trading progresses. Maybe I am in not such a hurry after all.

I have heard really good things about Sierra Charts.

Thanks for the informative posts.
  • #43
  • Feb 21, 2014 3:39am Feb 21, 2014 3:39am
Quoting Forexia
everyday I was getting bad data to the point I was not able to get price feed at all. ...

But the problem is if you are not able to find a reliable source for the correct price data which is usually provided one day behind, then you lose that entire day anyway because all of the indicators would need to take about 2 or 3 days to start to give off correct information....

I suspect Ninja Trade deliberately screwed up the data so to force the customers to buy 3rd-party data packages from them.
You must be mistaken, NinjaTrader doesn't provide data.

Maybe you took the free trial of ZenFire data which gives you a taster of how NT works but on which you can't actually trade. Or you used the free Kinetick End of Day data. To use NinjaTrader you need to have a third party data provider, NinjaTrader is just the charting software (see my earlier posts on how all of this works). I don't buy that you were not able to find a reliable source of data. There are numerous data providers to choose from and some are very big companies with reliable feeds.
  • #44
  • Feb 21, 2014 5:40am Feb 21, 2014 5:40am
Wow!!!!!!!!!
  • #45
  • Edited 1:52pm Feb 21, 2014 7:50am | Edited 1:52pm
Quoting WideEyed
{quote} You must be mistaken, NinjaTrader doesn't provide data. Maybe you took the free trial of ZenFire data which gives you a taster of how NT works but on which you can't actually trade. Or you used the free Kinetick End of Day data. To use NinjaTrader you need to have a third party data provider, NinjaTrader is just the charting software (see my earlier posts on how all of this works). I don't buy that you were not able to find a reliable source of data. There are numerous data providers to choose from and some are very big companies with reliable...
Ninja Trader doesn't provide data BUT they broadcast data received from my broker through their interface. I NEVER said Ninja Trader provided data. Where did you see that in my post? What I said was I was using Ninja Trader with my broker's data. You don't HAVE to buy 3rd-party data in order to use Ninja Trader. You can use Ninja Trader completely free with just your own broker's data feed. They might have changed that now so they can make more money so now I guess you can't even use them for free at all unless you buy the 3rd-pary data like Kinetics and ZenFire? Oh wow, they just got even more greedier since I left ! LOL And Kinetics data was the 3rd-party data that they were trying to push on me after they deliberately sabotaged my broker's data feed (a fact that they denied) to have bad spikes and refused to fix them. Those end-of-day data is completely useless to me. I need real-time data and they know that. They assured me that if I buy the 3rd-party that the data spikes will not happen again. Somehow my broker is just so bad and if I buy the 3rd-party data from them, somehow this bad data problem would miraculously disappear. I can understand that you might get spikey data ONCE in a while (and even that is a stretch) but daily basis? I have been using other platforms with the same broker's data ever since I left Ninja Trader until now and I will tell you I only encountered gaps and bad spikes only TWICE, yes TWO times and on both of those times, the platform provider fixed it right away. I have NEVER EVER lost a trading day just because the data is not there ever since I left Ninja Trader. My broker is always up (so far) and my platform is always up so I was ALWAYS getting data. I was getting bad data spikes EVERYDAY when I was with Ninja Trader!! HOW is that I was using the same broker's data and yet I get so rare occurance of bad data as soon as I left Ninja Trader and when I was with them I was getting them on a daily basis??!! What, my broker was tracking me down and they see as soon as I switched platforms, they start to give good data feed to my new platform providers???

" I don't buy that you were not able to find a reliable source of data." I DID find other source of data that I could use to fix the bad data. I said I couldn't always find them because sometimes they are delayed and sometimes they are just not available. But even then, did you read my entire posts of what I had to go through to fix those bad datas using the good data provided by other "reliable source"?? And that was acceptable to you? A trader who solely relies on the accuracy and timeliness of real-time data had to fix bad data everyday ad hoc in order to trade???

And FYI, Ninja Trader is NOT just a charting software. It's a platform WITH charting capabilities but with also trading, account management and programming capabilities. If you buy their live trading license, you can trade through it which has its own set of problems.

I don't know WHY you come up here to defend Ninja Trader when they did such a number on me that what I went through REALLY fit the title of your thread. Trust me, after having had been with Ninja Trader for 2 years, I am NOT mistaken. I can post my screenshots with all those bad data with dates on them here on FF if you don't believe me. With the dates on them, everybody here can see how often I was getting them and across how many currency pairs. They are just BAD. If you still want to continue with them or give them a try for whatever the reason, that's your decision. But people need to be warned for what they are signing up for.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #46
  • Feb 21, 2014 8:35am Feb 21, 2014 8:35am
@Forexia:

Ninja is slow for you? Did your computer just stepped out from a stone age?
You must have lost money, so you blame NinjaTrader. Moreover, who was your broker during that time? I betcha you just tried to use Ninja for free. Why don't you blame your shitty broker for spikes?
Ninja does NOT need 3rd party feed. When you use Ninja for free, the only limitation is that you can't use it for placing trades, charting and all other functions are free to use.
  • #47
  • Edited 9:08am Feb 21, 2014 8:53am | Edited 9:08am
Quoting BankRobber
@Forexia: Ninja is slow for you? Did your computer just stepped out from a stone age? You must have lost money, so you blame NinjaTrader. Moreover, who was your broker during that time? I betcha you just tried to use Ninja for free. Why don't you blame your shitty broker for spikes? Ninja does NOT need 3rd party feed. When you use Ninja for free, the only limitation is that you can't use it for placing trades, charting and all other functions are free to use.
Well you must work for Ninja Trader or is a Partner company of Ninja Trader judging from your comments and seeing that you don't know how to quote posts and post here. You know commercial members are not allowed here on FF. And yes I was using Ninja Trader for free according to what they offered. So what's your point here? Just because I was using the Ninja Trader for free so I should expect everything to be bad? Is that it? I didn't see any statements or disclaimers of that sort on their website so shouldn't I expect to be a high quality product providing at least reliable data just like everyone else? And as I have stated before, I used my same shitty broker's data with other platforms after I left Ninja Trader, and I never had a problem with data ever. So how do you explain that?

Ninja Trader does not require you to use 3rd-party data but I still want good data which Ninja Trader refused to provide even though my broker fed it good data unless I buy the 3rd-party data from them. That's the problem.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #48
  • Feb 21, 2014 9:06am Feb 21, 2014 9:06am
@Forexia

Bro, I'm just too lazy to press "quote" and erase all unnecessary parts of your Looooooooooooooong posts.
  • #49
  • Feb 21, 2014 9:10am Feb 21, 2014 9:10am
Quoting BankRobber
@Forexia Bro, I'm just too lazy to press "quote" and erase all unnecessary parts of your Looooooooooooooong posts.
Well if you didn't like my post, don't read it. And when you press "quote", FF editor truncates the post for you. Like I said, it's highly suspicious that you don't know this. If you are a commercial member, you need to get out of here. No offence. This is a forum for FX traders only.

Long story short: People need to be warned about Ninja Trader's unscrupulous practices to force customers to buy their products unnecessarily and the shoddy quality of product that they provide.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #50
  • Feb 21, 2014 9:33am Feb 21, 2014 9:33am
@forexia

I bet you, you've used NinjaTrader on some laptop and turned ON only when you wanted to trade.
Spikes must have come from corrupted data.
Imagine what would happen if banksters or HFT's who trade forex turn ON their computers at 9am and turn it OFF @ 5pm when they go home??? LOL

And Bro, same goes to you, if you don't like my sincere posts about Ninja, you're free to go.

I trade with NinjaTrader for over 5 years and i have NO problems with it.
And I'm not a "prophet of the Ninja"
  • #51
  • Edited 1:56pm Feb 21, 2014 11:57am | Edited 1:56pm
Quoting BankRobber
@forexia I bet you, you've used NinjaTrader on some laptop and turned ON only when you wanted to trade. Spikes must have come from corrupted data. Imagine what would happen if banksters or HFT's who trade forex turn ON their computers at 9am and turn it OFF @ 5pm when they go home??? LOL And Bro, same goes to you, if you don't like my sincere posts about Ninja, you're free to go. I trade with NinjaTrader for over 5 years and i have NO problems with it. And I'm not a "prophet of the Ninja"
LOL So what am I supposed to do? Turn the computer OFF when I trade?? Of course I leave the computer ON. Forex trading is 24 hours, WHY would I shut off my computer at 5:00 PM just because it's the daily cut off? Just to waste more time loading up the crawl speed interface of Ninja Trader watching trading opps. pass by? And you still haven't explained the question that I have posed before. How's it that I was experiencing bad data DAILY when I was with NJ and yet as soon as I left, I have ONLY had bad spike data TWICE?? And I use the same broker's data and everything else is the same? So you are RIGHT on one thing. Spikes do come from corrupted data, data that Ninja Trader corrupted deliberately and refused to fix later just so they can force me to buy 3rd-party data that they were peddling when my own broker's data fed to them was perfectly fine. For traders who want to be aware of Ninja Trader's unscrupulous practices to force customers to buy their products unnecessarily and the shoddy quality of product that they provide, please read my post Post 39 of this thread.

The way that you blindly defend NJ is highly pathetic and suspicious. And the way that you talk about the computer set up, obviously you are not a forex trader and if you are a commercial member, either working for Ninja Trader or highly likely a Partner company of Ninja Trader trying to press on your commercial agenda, you are NOT allowed here on FF. You have been reported and I will be ignoring you since I don't get any benefit from your contribution seeing you are not a forex trader and just peddling Ninja Trader around. Before you are banned, please LEAVE.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #52
  • Feb 21, 2014 12:10pm Feb 21, 2014 12:10pm
@Forexia "Their programming language is C# (which is actually the only highlight of their system - I enjoyed programming in C#) but their compiler is so crappy that it never compiles correctly the first time and is always full of bugs. I would always had to run the same code through the compiler again and again and again and the result would still not be correct...."

So, compilers should think for you and correct your programming mistakes???? Every time you try to compile and got an error you better check your program for your OWN mistakes. Same happens to me.

Dude, you are delusional and full of hate towards Ninja. As i said you must have lost money during that time and now you bashing and blaming NinjaTrader
  • #53
  • Edited 1:33pm Feb 21, 2014 12:20pm | Edited 1:33pm
Quoting BankRobber
@Forexia "Their programming language is C# (which is actually the only highlight of their system - I enjoyed programming in C#) but their compiler is so crappy that it never compiles correctly the first time and is always full of bugs. I would always had to run the same code through the compiler again and again and again and the result would still not be correct...." So, compilers should think for you and correct your programming mistakes???? Every time you try to compile and got an error you better check your program for your OWN mistakes....
Well since you have made an effort of finally learning to quote and actually quoted my post in your blind defence of Ninja Trader, why don't I post here my entire sentence regarding this issue? I think it's better whoever is reading this gets reads the full text instead of your taken-out-of-context quote of my mine, don't you think? Replacing my text with "...", that's very shady. LOL I have lost money using Sierra Charts and VT Trader, the two alternatives to MT4 that I recommend for those of you who are exploring alternatives to MQ, I don't complain about them? And I lost money when using MT4, and I don't complain about MT4. Losing money is part of trading although very distressful and frustrating to traders. If you REALLY are a trader, you would be able to understand and relate to that. Only a commercial company's agent who's never been a trader for a minute in his/her life such as yourself would try to exploit a trader's vulnerability in terms of trading performance in order to discredit that traders' criticism of its product. What's it to you that I criticized Ninja Trader? You won't get paid by Ninja Trader perhaps? LOL

Here is my full text describing the issue with their compiler problem. You can find my entire full post at Post 39. The Post # is listed on the right hand side of each post for those of you new to FF.

Quoting Forexia
Their programming language is C# (which is actually the only highlight of their system - I enjoyed programming in C#) but their compiler is so crappy that it never compiles correctly the first time and is always full of bugs. I would always had to run the same code through the compiler again and again and again and the result would still not be correct and then all of sudden everything would be fine and the result is correct and I have made no changes whatsoever to the code.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #54
  • Feb 21, 2014 12:26pm Feb 21, 2014 12:26pm
Ninja compiles ALL indicators and strategies together. If you have one indicator with a programming error, YOU WON'T be able to compile your GOOD indicator w/o an error cause Ninja compiler will keep complaining
  • #55
  • Edited 1:58pm Feb 21, 2014 12:44pm | Edited 1:58pm
Quoting BankRobber
Ninja compiles ALL indicators and strategies together. If you have one indicator with a programming error, YOU WON'T be able to compile your GOOD indicator w/o an error cause Ninja compiler will keep complaining
LOL but that's NOT what happened and what I described. Each of the customized indicator whether you use it later in another indicator/strategy or not has to be compiled by itself first and these compiler problems happen EACH TIME when I compile just ONE indicator.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #56
  • Edited 2:55pm Feb 21, 2014 1:06pm | Edited 2:55pm
To BankRobber:

I know what you are now. You ARE a Commercial Agent pedalling your own agenda here. You are a 3rd-party seller of exclusively Ninja Trader indicator/strategies. And you lied on your profile making yourself out to be a trader in other markets, the stock market.

Here is your selling website: http://bankrobbersindicators.com/nin...et-analyzer-2/ which you posted in your profile.

You need to LEAVE FF NOW. Commercial agents are NOT allowed here on FF. This is a forum for forex traders. Traders of other instruments are welcome here but they have to be at least traders. You are NOT a trader but a seller of products to us and who's trying to defend blindly a platform that your business depends on. No wonder you are so biased in your opinions and assessement of Ninja Trader and so apathetic to us traders. I will be reporting you to have your posts extracted and you being banned from here.

My original post about Ninja Trader's shady practices and issues can be found on Post 39 in this thread for those of you who are contemplating trying Ninja.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #57
  • Feb 21, 2014 1:09pm Feb 21, 2014 1:09pm
Let's wrap it up here:

- NinjaTrader is one of the better platforms.

- Are they greedy? - Maybe -> $1000 for unlimited licence or $50/month rent.
Hey, but what is a thousand bucks for a trader who is making money, right? Like in every other business you gotta invest.

- Good customer support.

- Is it slow?
I Don't know, cause I'm running Ninja on a dedicated machine just for trading AMD fx8350, 32GB ram, multiple SSD drives

- Ninja is sensitive to bad internet connection, they recommend static IP
since i switched to fiber optic connection with a static IP, Ninja never crashed again.
  • #58
  • Edited 3:09pm Feb 21, 2014 1:15pm | Edited 3:09pm
Quoting bankrobber
let's wrap it up here: - ninjatrader is one of the better platforms. - Ninja is sensitive to bad internet connection, they recommend static IP since i switched to fiber optic connection with a static IP, Ninja never crashed again.

Bankrobber, LEAVE!!!!! Nobody wants your pathetic useless third-grade indicators here!!! Take your snake oil business elsewhere!!!

And thanks for telling us that Ninja Trader crashes too on top of other problems. At least when I was using it, it actually didn't crash on me that much except maybe only once. LOL

NOW GET OUT OF HERE!!!
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #59
  • Feb 21, 2014 5:54pm Feb 21, 2014 5:54pm
I never have any issues with NT7 and I have used it for years. Use Rithmic feed and all is good!
  • #60
  • Feb 21, 2014 6:44pm Feb 21, 2014 6:44pm
I won't get into the cat fight you're having here but I've read a few of the posts lately.
I've had Ninja for a few years (lifetime license). I've never had spikes when I'm viewing futures or forex charts but when watching ETFs (only very liquid ones like SPY, QQQ) large spikes happen all the time. It creates a crazy looking charts since it auto-scales so you need to wait until enough time moves the spike off the chart. I don't know if the problem is with the data provider or Ninja.
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