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  • #11,421
  • Edited 6:56pm Jul 24, 2025 6:30pm | Edited 6:56pm
Quoting Merka
{quote} These targets/attractors you marked are quite subjective. How do you know the wider traders are interested to these exact same levels?
I don't call them "attractors." I've come to refer to these levels as "pivotal points," or simply as "pivots."

I do not use the floor trader pivots as TT does. I also do not use the monthly levels as I believe TT does, nor the quarterly nor the yearly. However, I'd not deny the significance of those longer-term levels as well.

I'll leave the defense of the floor trader levels to TT and others who use them. But as to the levels taken from the daily and weekly chart and then superimposed over whatever intraday interval one is using it is undeniable that these levels are objective and are used by those who trade in size large enough to change the direction the market is moving.

Not cherry-picked: This is today's NQ/MNQ
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  • #11,422
  • Jul 24, 2025 8:38pm Jul 24, 2025 8:38pm
I posted this over in the PriceBob systems thread ,,, But wanted to repost more details here...
so as to give credit where credit is due to the author.

Food for thought:

How much longer are you going to avoid what you are capable of doing in order to continue with what you are comfortable doing?

You can dream all you want but your daily routine and habits tell the world what you're really committed to.

Truth is: your life will never change until you change something you do daily.

I took that from a post on Youtube from https://www.youtube.com/@simonalexandero

I really like his "vibe" and messaging as I am always working on myself and being a better person..so I subscribe to a few of these types of channels.

Because if you want to improve your trading ,,you need to improve yourself....as We are all our own worst enemy IMHO that is.

I took this post personally as a kick in the ass..and Lord knows It's needed

Cheers


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  • #11,423
  • Jul 24, 2025 10:13pm Jul 24, 2025 10:13pm
Quoting Merka
{quote}
These targets/attractors you marked are quite subjective.
How do you know the wider traders are interested to these exact same levels?

Hi Merka,
When the day begins I only have a set of prices (lines) that I might be interested in as the day progresses.
Again, I am only interested in what other traders and the larger market do first.
In essence I have NO way or NO method as such to follow (ie I am a discretionary trader, based on where OTHER traders become interested & attracted themselves)

The day began with the right of the chart essentially empty of candles, just attractor lines up & down the chart and above & below where price was at.
Start of Day Chart can be seen back here
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...2#post15324892


During the day prices move to & from and AROUND such attraction lines I notice (and have done so, for the past 3-4 years I have been observing)
Let the market make the first move is my motto I guess.
When liquidity enters new or disappears (TP or SL) at an attractor or elsewhere then the market will react. Then we as traders can also react (with care lol)

Here's the mid of the day progress UPDATE on that same USDJPY chart
(myself I trade GJ but this reference is to the chart at the UJ start of the day until NOW)

all the best again M
trade safe & well



USDJPY update
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  • #11,424
  • Jul 25, 2025 12:32am Jul 25, 2025 12:32am
Hello everyone,please ignore if you should
im new here
I hope I can gain something here
as I drop for others to gain here as well
  • #11,425
  • Jul 25, 2025 3:45am Jul 25, 2025 3:45am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi Merka, When the day begins I only have a set of prices (lines) that I might be interested in as the day progresses. Again, I am only interested in what other traders and the larger market do first. In essence I have NO way or NO method as such to follow (ie I am a discretionary trader, based on where OTHER traders become interested & attracted themselves) The day began with the right of the chart essentially empty of candles, just attractor lines up & down the chart and above & below where price was at. Start of Day Chart can be seen...
Thanks TT
Now I understood how your lines are calculated and you trade them subjectively.
Can you please show how effectively you trade them for example making a live call (before after the fact) for Monday on your favorite pair?
Doesn't matter if it will be a win/loss.
The important is your live analysis on why you entered before the fact.

Cheers
Let's ta
  • #11,426
  • Jul 25, 2025 4:06am Jul 25, 2025 4:06am
Quoting Merka
{quote} Thanks TT Now I understood how your lines are calculated and you trade them subjectively. Can you please show how effectively you trade them for example making a live call (before after the fact) for Monday on your favorite pair? Doesn't matter if it will be a win/loss. The important is your live analysis on why you entered before the fact. Cheers Let's ta
He won't do that, because his entries are based on what's happening in real time around those levels.
So he reacts instead of predicting.
  • #11,427
  • Jul 25, 2025 4:29am Jul 25, 2025 4:29am
Quoting Onra
{quote}
He won't do that, because his entries are based on what's happening in real time around those levels. So he reacts instead of predicting.



cheers Onra, I am wishing things are going very well for you pal.
  • #11,428
  • Jul 25, 2025 4:30am Jul 25, 2025 4:30am
Quoting Merka
{quote} Thanks TT Now I understood how your lines are calculated and you trade them subjectively. Can you please show how effectively you trade them for example making a live call (before after the fact) for Monday on your favorite pair? Doesn't matter if it will be a win/loss. The important is your live analysis on why you entered before the fact. Cheers Let's ta

Hi Merka,

I’m a discretionary (subjective) trader working with and around (objective) data.

As mentioned I have no set plan. I trade when the market gets itself at or around an attractor point (of price).

It can’t be coded.
I’ve had quants tell me it could be coded as everything in the end for them is numerical.

But they can’t code “spur of the moment opportunity” because those operational variables of subjectivity cannot be referenced due to the potential almost infinite possibilities.

(I’m also a programmer and I can’t code it for myself, so no chance anybody else).
(I've also had close mates such as Andy sit with me watching charts live on the old skype ages ago and he will say in the end he doesn;t really get me or my way)

Why not yourself just code (if that's what you wish) the maths of expansions & contractions using deviations that work best for you. For example I have a separate template with some multiples of parisboys envelopes that he showed very early in his thread (I assume RIP but still hope not) that isolate areas of interest also for me and work well as confluences with the target attractors.

Else just fire up a trade simulator with all the attractor indis that I have uploaded on here prior and spend some time going back over (past history) days.
And see what you can see & might do as a trade.

all the best & thank you for your interest
trade safe & trade well



(edit: ps I am just a trader like everyone else, that's all, doing their best in these times lol and these markets)
  • #11,429
  • Jul 25, 2025 6:51am Jul 25, 2025 6:51am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi Merka, I’m a discretionary (subjective) trader working with and around (objective) data. As mentioned I have no set plan. I trade when the market gets itself at or around an attractor point (of price). It can’t be coded. I’ve had quants tell me it could be coded as everything in the end for them is numerical. But they can’t code “spur of the moment opportunity” because those operational variables of subjectivity cannot be referenced due to the potential almost infinite possibilities. (I’m also a programmer and I can’t code it for myself,...
Got you
Thanks
  • #11,430
  • Jul 25, 2025 4:36pm Jul 25, 2025 4:36pm
Quoting Merka
{quote} Got you Thanks

Cheers Merka, and good fortunes sir
  • #11,431
  • Jul 27, 2025 6:04pm Jul 27, 2025 6:04pm
Monday Monday

Some soft Pound news is 2hrs before NY open
BUT essentially a No News Day today


Back to GBPJPY
What will the day bring, we shall see.
Trade safe & well folks


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  • #11,432
  • Edited 6:54pm Jul 27, 2025 6:24pm | Edited 6:54pm
and NOT to confuse (but maybe to deflect a little away from my own chart view)

Here's a couple more on the one hour chart for some fun edit:variety.
(1st chart is a cut down parisboys envelopes from very early on his thread)
(2nd chart is the ONE hour from Dove's Paradox thread where he uses the TWO hour chart - period convertor for mt4 is below the charts)


In essence I believe there is no ONE way to trade, or one way which is BEST.
The market view is really OUR view (market just does what it does daily)
And so (again imho) the END result of your own trading will be YOU

all the best for today

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  • #11,433
  • Jul 28, 2025 12:18am Jul 28, 2025 12:18am
Quoting TimeTells
and NOT to confuse (but maybe to deflect a little away from my own chart view) Here's a couple more on the one hour chart for some fun edit:variety. (1st chart is a cut down parisboys envelopes from very early on his thread) (2nd chart is the ONE hour from Dove's Paradox thread where he uses the TWO hour chart - period convertor for mt4 is below the charts) In essence I believe there is no ONE way to trade, or one way which is BEST. The market view is really OUR view (market just does what it does daily) And so (again imho) the END result...
Hi Pete
Sorry but
I think your Parisboy chart
is a bit off
  • #11,434
  • Jul 28, 2025 12:26am Jul 28, 2025 12:26am
Quoting OAPDave
{quote}
Hi Pete Sorry but I think your Parisboy chart is a bit off

Hi Dave, then you'd be a little wrong.
But I do use the simple close not centered and 128, 32, 8


edit
Quoting TimeTells
(1st chart is a cut down parisboys envelopes from very early on his thread) {file} {image} {image}


here's the original
Quoting parisboy
the methodology uses mostly 3 Envelopes based on 3 Centered Moving Averages (sometimes 4 ) 256 Time Unit (in brown) 128 Time Unit (ocre) 32 Time Unit in blue this whatever the time unit expressed in minute, hour, day, week or month hereunder : - USDJPY in 24 H / 1 minute - DAX in 24 H / 1 minute - EURUSD in 5 D / 5 minutes - DOW in 24 H / 1 minute {image} {image} {image} {image}
  • #11,435
  • Jul 28, 2025 12:45am Jul 28, 2025 12:45am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi Dave, then you'd be a little wrong. But I do use the simple close not centered and 128, 32, 8 edit {quote} here's the original {quote}
The thread and method evolved with the help of a few coders
helping him to produce the charts and method he really wanted
but hey
who cares as
not really interested
  • #11,436
  • Jul 28, 2025 4:57pm Jul 28, 2025 4:57pm
Today?
Some soft Pound News during the day is all.


Yesterday ?
Well, same mechanics repeated (imo)
and (without being cocky, just realistic is all )
was somewhat logical to trade, between the attractors (over & over)


GBPJPY
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  • #11,437
  • Jul 28, 2025 7:31pm Jul 28, 2025 7:31pm
No need to post an update (ever, really) to the chart at the beginning of the day above.


So.

An article that I read this morning and NOT related to trading at all
(or is it, lol )

The dilemma of the dilemma examined over time
And NO, it will not affect in any way my view of the markets we trade


Just some light reading of which I hold no formulated opinion, is all and only to pass the time waiting for setups


Quantum mechanics physics theory was born 100 years ago, thanks to Heisenberg's hay fever
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/...nger/105425950
  • #11,438
  • Jul 28, 2025 8:25pm Jul 28, 2025 8:25pm
Quoting TimeTells
No need to post an update (ever, really) to the chart at the beginning of the day above. So. An article that I read this morning and NOT related to trading at all (or is it, lol ) The dilemma of the dilemma examined over time And NO, it will not affect in any way my view of the markets we trade Just some light reading of which I hold no formulated opinion, is all and only to pass the time waiting for setups Quantum mechanics...

Heisenberg would have a problem today as trees have been planted on that island.

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  • #11,439
  • Jul 28, 2025 8:29pm Jul 28, 2025 8:29pm
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  • #11,440
  • Jul 28, 2025 8:55pm Jul 28, 2025 8:55pm
Quoting TimeTells
No need to post an update (ever, really) to the chart at the beginning of the day above. So. An article that I read this morning and NOT related to trading at all (or is it, lol ) The dilemma of the dilemma examined over time And NO, it will not affect in any way my view of the markets we trade Just some light reading of which I hold no formulated opinion, is all and only to pass the time waiting for setups Quantum mechanics...
One has to love quantum physics ! Thanks for the link Pete!!! ... and how cool is that island ! Never seen that one before...
Sending some Quantum entanglement your way !
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