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  • #50,141
  • Jul 12, 2025 4:35pm Jul 12, 2025 4:35pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Unfortunately, this is all I got.
I got that of off X. Some people that work at Topstep and few others claimed that FTMO s headhunter aproached them. Also, Matt from MFFX posted an X that he heard something to that regard. How credible is that? We ll have to wait and see, but makes sense they d want a piece of that pie as well.
  • #50,142
  • Jul 12, 2025 9:06pm Jul 12, 2025 9:06pm
Quoting 1odi
{quote} I got that of off X. Some people that work at Topstep and few others claimed that FTMO s headhunter aproached them. Also, Matt from MFFX posted an X that he heard something to that regard. How credible is that? We ll have to wait and see, but makes sense they d want a piece of that pie as well.
due to their cfd reputation they be credible from day 1 but i dont expect competitive product offering from them at all…. Instead high price usual garbage with the mindset of its same as cfd..

also what i noticed is when these firms who have a running business in cfd then dont care about futures at all… dont even try to grow instead stay with their stubborn garbage offering…
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  • #50,143
  • Jul 12, 2025 11:43pm Jul 12, 2025 11:43pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Unfortunately, this is all I got.
Oh, I thought it was about coming up with a Darwinex or AxiSelect type model.
  • #50,144
  • Jul 13, 2025 3:27am Jul 13, 2025 3:27am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} due to their cfd reputation they be credible from day 1 but i dont expect competitive product offering from them at all…. Instead high price usual garbage with the mindset of its same as cfd.. also what i noticed is when these firms who have a running business in cfd then dont care about futures at all… dont even try to grow instead stay with their stubborn garbage offering…
I think it was the case of Alpha (not they are reputable).

Not sure how is the offer these days, but when hey launched it was comic.
  • #50,145
  • Jul 13, 2025 5:52am Jul 13, 2025 5:52am
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} I think it was the case of Alpha (not they are reputable). Not sure how is the offer these days, but when hey launched it was comic.
alpha is also garbage offering.. expensive pricing with activation fees and on top of that 70% split .. i mean give it a break…. Same as futuresnext asking more than 250$ for 50k account, then e8futures expensive and cant copy trade, same with goat futures even fxify futures pricing is bs with activation fees…..

only firm hat came from cfd and did well with innovation is mffu. Everything is perfect pricing + payout policy + pathway to live
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  • #50,146
  • Jul 13, 2025 8:43am Jul 13, 2025 8:43am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} due to their cfd reputation they be credible from day 1 but i dont expect competitive product offering from them at all…. Instead high price usual garbage with the mindset of its same as cfd.. also what i noticed is when these firms who have a running business in cfd then dont care about futures at all… dont even try to grow instead stay with their stubborn garbage offering…
there is very very little more that they can do with futures models without bankrupting themselves. Thats why you see more of the same shit.
  • #50,147
  • Jul 13, 2025 8:51am Jul 13, 2025 8:51am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} there is very very little more that they can do with futures models without bankrupting themselves. Thats why you see more of the same shit.
Interesting take — and honestly, it makes sense. The innovation ceiling is real when the cost of experimentation gets too high. At some point, it's just refinements of what's already been done. Still, you'd think with all the tech and data available now, someone would find a way to break the mold without breaking the bank. Let's see who takes the risk.
  • #50,148
  • Jul 13, 2025 9:10am Jul 13, 2025 9:10am
Well, clearly the futures space is more profitable than CFDs. Most likely due to the CFTCs illegal, criminal shutdown of MFF, without any consequences imposed on CFTC, I may add. It had an avalanche effect on the forex props with the MT4/5 ban on US and the insuing firms going out of business and/or pulling from US market.
The real world example is Matt, who is not only doing well, but doing it right, IMO. He has seem to struck a balance of firm doing well while providing a great offering for traders......Tradeify as well. Bret was never involved in CFDs, while Matt has sold and/or rebranded MyFundedFX to Seacrest.....why? answer is clearly that futures is a better business model for owners.
Circling back to the CFTC....isn't it great to know that the body we trust to regulate and protect can lie, cheat and deceit to accomplish their own agenda or the agenda of whoever pays them the most $$$$?
  • #50,149
  • Jul 13, 2025 4:24pm Jul 13, 2025 4:24pm
Quoting WirkKarl
{quote} Interesting take — and honestly, it makes sense. The innovation ceiling is real when the cost of experimentation gets too high. At some point, it's just refinements of what's already been done. Still, you'd think with all the tech and data available now, someone would find a way to break the mold without breaking the bank. Let's see who takes the risk.
The model for futures is dependent on very lobsided new money in. Its not a 60/40 ratio like CFD's its significantly more because of the low cost.
  • #50,150
  • Jul 13, 2025 4:38pm Jul 13, 2025 4:38pm
Quoting pipmaster77
Well, clearly the futures space is more profitable than CFDs. Most likely due to the CFTCs illegal, criminal shutdown of MFF, without any consequences imposed on CFTC, I may add. It had an avalanche effect on the forex props with the MT4/5 ban on US and the insuing firms going out of business and/or pulling from US market. The real world example is Matt, who is not only doing well, but doing it right, IMO. He has seem to struck a balance of firm doing well while providing a great offering for traders......Tradeify as well. Bret was never involved...
MFFU is struggling to get more market share now, and the seacrest thing is because the entities had to be separate as shareholders differ. Not all on the surface is as rosy as the picture. He certainly did a better job with MFFU though than MFFX.
  • #50,151
  • Jul 13, 2025 5:05pm Jul 13, 2025 5:05pm
Blue guardian futures is cooking..

received the payout …:

requested on friday and received just now…..
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  • #50,152
  • Jul 13, 2025 6:07pm Jul 13, 2025 6:07pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, that's the hypocrisy, it's OK when you lose, but don't you dare risk more than 1% if you're profitable. The bottom line is understanding if you are profitable with these firms, you are a liability.......unlike the marketing, they DO NOT WANT profitable traders. Interests are not aligned. However, if you know what you are doing, you can earn exponentially more than you would with a personal account. The ROI is outstanding. For example, take 3 50K accounts at MFFU, cost under $300, payout potential $3600...even if you need 3 attempts,...
I'm coming for your MXYG now that I have figured out the RE.
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  • #50,153
  • Jul 13, 2025 6:28pm Jul 13, 2025 6:28pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} I'm coming for your MXYG now that I have figured out the RE. {image}
Nice. Glad to hear it. Happy you have the RE figured out. If/when you pass MXYG, good luck catching CDFU.
Did you see/hear about the new Darwin index?.....INDX...it is Darwins own Darwin of Darwins. It is a combo of all of the best Darwins. Goal is to become one of the Darwins in the index, as you then get allocated your share of the investment. As it is a combo of many different strategies, it is uncorrelated to the market and should absolutely blow away anything one could invest in.
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  • #50,154
  • Jul 13, 2025 9:27pm Jul 13, 2025 9:27pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Nice. Glad to hear it. Happy you have the RE figured out. If/when you pass MXYG, good luck catching CDFU. Did you see/hear about the new Darwin index?.....INDX...it is Darwins own Darwin of Darwins. It is a combo of all of the best Darwins. Goal is to become one of the Darwins in the index, as you then get allocated your share of the investment. As it is a combo of many different strategies, it is uncorrelated to the market and should absolutely blow away anything one could invest in. {image}
i dont know much about the inner workings of darwinex but have you been able to make some moeny????
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  • #50,155
  • Jul 13, 2025 11:25pm Jul 13, 2025 11:25pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Nice. Glad to hear it. Happy you have the RE figured out. If/when you pass MXYG, good luck catching CDFU. Did you see/hear about the new Darwin index?.....INDX...it is Darwins own Darwin of Darwins. It is a combo of all of the best Darwins. Goal is to become one of the Darwins in the index, as you then get allocated your share of the investment. As it is a combo of many different strategies, it is uncorrelated to the market and should absolutely blow away anything one could invest in. {image}
Thanks. It's more like the RE has figured out my trading since I haven't changed a thing. The surprising thing is that it suddenly woke up instead of gradually but I'll take it as it is.
With this account I'm competing with your MXYG which btw, you are doing great with it's ATH pretty much always at 0. Mine is 0 today too.

I shut down one of my under performing accounts and started a new one. This new one is the same one I am running on AS. It'll be really interesting to see how the RE treats it. I will be a nearly able to compare it 1:1 to AS. Once that passes the calibration stage and gets going, I'll have that one competing with your CDFU.
Yes I saw the email about INDX. I thought it was just another darwin account that they were promotion, so I didn't even open the email. I'll check it out. Thanks.
  • #50,156
  • Jul 13, 2025 11:32pm Jul 13, 2025 11:32pm
Alright, since you outed your MXYG and I am in a competition with that account of yours, I out mine too: IIHE
  • #50,157
  • Jul 14, 2025 2:02am Jul 14, 2025 2:02am
Quoting montygoldy
Blue guardian futures is cooking.. received the payout …: requested on friday and received just now….. {image}
That was good. At least this time there were no BS delay.
  • #50,158
  • Jul 14, 2025 6:13am Jul 14, 2025 6:13am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} i dont know much about the inner workings of darwinex but have you been able to make some moeny????
Yes, but it is a long term project. As it is an actaul regulated hedge fund and broker, the split is much lower. Darwinex charges investors 20% and then has a 75/25 split with the traders, so it only equates to 15%....pretty standard with real $$$$, but, of course, nothing in comparison to what we know with the casino props.
Perform well, which means 2-2.5% monthly, they provide seed allocations, which last for 3 months and they stack....so earn 30K per month, you'll have 90K at end of month 3. Your track record impacts your score, so it becomes easier as you move along. The goal is gold which requires minimum 8 month track record, 2.5 x return to max DD and 20% cumulative return....you will then be open to investors.
My end goal is to be able to make prop firm money with my low stress low risk 2% gain per month. In numbers, I'm looking for $180-250K per year, which will require AUM of 5-7 MM. I am using 2 futures props and of course, regular income (I,too, have a pretty good paying corporate job) until I get there.
Short story long, sorry.
  • #50,159
  • Jul 14, 2025 6:19am Jul 14, 2025 6:19am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} i dont know much about the inner workings of darwinex but have you been able to make some moeny????
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, but it is a long term project. As it is an actaul regulated hedge fund and broker, the split is much lower. Darwinex charges investors 20% and then has a 75/25 split with the traders, so it only equates to 15%....pretty standard with real $$$$, but, of course, nothing in comparison to what we know with the casino props. Perform well, which means 2-2.5% monthly, they provide seed allocations, which last for 3 months and they stack....so earn 30K per month, you'll have 90K at end of month 3. Your track record impacts your score, so it...
You forgot to tell him about how the risk engine works. For example you could be down 5% in your underlying account and at the same time down 25% in your Darwinex account due to Darwinex risk engine interpenetration of how you handled risk. You won't fully understand it unless you open an account with Darwinex and run it for 3 to 6 months and see for yourself firsthand.
  • #50,160
  • Jul 14, 2025 6:27am Jul 14, 2025 6:27am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} {quote} You forgot to tell him about how the risk engine works. For example you could be down 5% in your underlying account and at the same time down 25% in your Darwinex account due to Darwinex risk engine interpenetration of how you handled risk. You won't fully understand it unless you open an account with Darwinex and run it for 3 to 6 months and see for yourself firsthand.
Yes, or in my case, up 5% in signal account and up 14% in Darwinex account, that engine works both ways.
Yes, you are correct, must experience first hand to truly figure it out.
Bottom line is, you need not worry about position size or risk on your own, it is simply how much of the market move you capture....it will be risk adjusted for you.
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