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  • #48,181
  • Apr 15, 2025 6:37am Apr 15, 2025 6:37am
I dod not want to trade NY session in this Apex 250k funded acc.

Today is day no. 1

Did not breach negative 30 % PNL.
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  • #48,182
  • Apr 15, 2025 6:50am Apr 15, 2025 6:50am
Quoting navk
{quote} topstep Tradeify Mffu
Agree on these 3. I do not use Topstep as I don't like some of their new rules/changes.
  • #48,183
  • Apr 15, 2025 6:57am Apr 15, 2025 6:57am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Agree on these 3. I do not use Topstep as I don't like some of their new rules/changes.
what new rules you talk about

I do not know if i know.
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  • #48,184
  • Apr 15, 2025 7:04am Apr 15, 2025 7:04am
Quoting Olarion1975
{quote} additionally I would add (because they paid me): Apex Bulenox Take Profit Trader
Agree on these as well. I prefer TPT, MFFU and Tradeify myself.
Apex and Bulenox (and any others with activation fees) tend to cost up to 2x and even more vs. the 3 I mentioned. Tradeify STF, in my opinion, is still the best value.
My reasoning, if you are YOLO'ing, your pass rate at best is 50% so your paying a cheap eval twice. If you don't YOLO, it may take more than 30 days to pass, and, once again, you are paying twice.
This, of course, is coming from someone that trades 3-4 micros on DOW and S&P normally and 1-2 currently. I do this through the eval and live......so why bother with the eval.
The counter argument is time and how long these firms will be around, etc......and I get it. I'm not going to change my style or risk tolerance based on that.
Some firms will survive, I believe the ones with the clear path to live will, and the ones that don't simply get replaced.
One only needs 10-15 accounts each earning $100/day to make $240-360K per year. Not sure how much folks are looking to earn, but that's a pretty decent living where I am.
  • #48,185
  • Apr 15, 2025 7:16am Apr 15, 2025 7:16am
Quoting navk
{quote} what new rules you talk about I do not know if i know.
Topstep, due to the cost, is one of the firms you want to get to live with. They have rules on the SIM Funded where you can only take 50% of your profits until you have 30 winning days. When moving to live, they cap what is actually brought over to live....so even if you have 5 SIM funded, or express (not sure what they call them), they are capping how much $$$$ you may bring over. A lot of traders with multiple accounts got screwed on this change.
  • #48,186
  • Apr 15, 2025 7:19am Apr 15, 2025 7:19am
I also agree on the "why not?" approach on the economy evals (as I call them ) getting 3 50K evals for $50-60 with no activation fees is always worth a shot. No need to go live, get paid and use to fund the reputable companies.
  • #48,187
  • Apr 15, 2025 7:41am Apr 15, 2025 7:41am
Quoting navk
I dod not want to trade NY session in this Apex 250k funded acc. Today is day no. 1 Did not breach negative 30 % PNL. {image}
One more help needed. how to know the highest EQUITY reached in tradovate account?? today or during the life of the current running account??
  • #48,188
  • Apr 15, 2025 8:00am Apr 15, 2025 8:00am
Quoting pipmaster77
I also agree on the "why not?" approach on the economy evals (as I call them ) getting 3 50K evals for $50-60 with no activation fees is always worth a shot. No need to go live, get paid and use to fund the reputable companies.
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I go with $50. No I don't yolo
  • #48,189
  • Apr 15, 2025 8:14am Apr 15, 2025 8:14am
Quoting failinforex
{quote} {image} I go with $50. No I don't yolo
who is offering for 50 $ ?
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  • #48,190
  • Apr 15, 2025 8:26am Apr 15, 2025 8:26am
Quoting navk
{quote} who is offering for 50 $ ?
Blue Guardian and Aqua for sure. Maybe others
  • #48,191
  • Apr 15, 2025 8:32am Apr 15, 2025 8:32am
Quoting failinforex
{quote} {image} I go with $50. No I don't yolo
if you pass within the 30 days it's $50. The best value with Tradeify STF is the $150, $729 with 40% off first time use makes it $439.....so my point was comparing it to reputable, proven firms that run about $100 all-in , you would need 3 to equal the 150 STF, so you're at $300 (and that's if you pass in the first 30 days), so for $139 more you can skip the entire eval process....by the time you are hitting target to pass eval, you are pulling 3K from the STF.
The $50 evals are in a different bucket for me, not saying they won't be around, but until a good track record is shown, I don't feel we can compare them with MFFU, Tradeify, Take Profit or Topstep or any other reputable firm.
  • #48,192
  • Apr 15, 2025 8:42am Apr 15, 2025 8:42am
Quoting navk
{quote} who is offering for 50 $ ?
Aquafutures
  • #48,193
  • Apr 15, 2025 9:50am Apr 15, 2025 9:50am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} if you pass within the 30 days it's $50. The best value with Tradeify STF is the $150, $729 with 40% off first time use makes it $439.....so my point was comparing it to reputable, proven firms that run about $100 all-in , you would need 3 to equal the 150 STF, so you're at $300 (and that's if you pass in the first 30 days), so for $139 more you can skip the entire eval process....by the time you are hitting target to pass eval, you are pulling 3K from the STF. The $50 evals are in a different bucket for me, not saying they won't be around,...
STF is expensive.

However, if you do 450 to 500 in a day, it is worth. You are given 3750 DD to make it.

You do 20 days x 450 = 9000. You can withdraw 3k

Less than that it is not worth.

For me, it was possible to make when volatility was less a month ago.

Nowadays, it is difficult to me.
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  • #48,194
  • Apr 15, 2025 9:59am Apr 15, 2025 9:59am
Quoting navk
{quote} STF is expensive. However, if you do 450 to 500 in a day, it is worth. You are given 3750 DD to make it. You do 20 days x 450 = 9000. You can withdraw 3k Less than that it is not worth. For me, it was possible to make when volatility was less a month ago. Nowadays, it is difficult to me.
Nobody is grasping the math here.......you do not need to pass an STF ......if you pay $100 all-in for a 50K eval, you need 3 to equal the same DD a $150K STF is providing, that's $300($100*3) , assuming the avg yolo'er has a 50% pass rate (doubt it) or someone trading normally needs to renew at the end of 30 days, it is double , so $600......for $439 you skip the eval, you are actually saving money.
Assuming you trade 3 x the szie on the $150 as the DD allows it, you will hit 9K the same time you are hitting 3K target on the eval. You are now pulling 3K from the STF vs. 0 as you are just getting your Sim Funded from the eval company.
  • #48,195
  • Apr 15, 2025 10:16am Apr 15, 2025 10:16am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Nobody is grasping the math here.......you do not need to pass an STF ......if you pay $100 all-in for a 50K eval, you need 3 to equal the same DD a $150K STF is providing, that's $300($100*3) , assuming the avg yolo'er has a 50% pass rate (doubt it) or someone trading normally needs to renew at the end of 30 days, it is double , so $600......for $439 you skip the eval, you are actually saving money. Assuming you trade 3 x the szie on the $150 as the DD allows it, you will hit 9K the same time you are hitting 3K target on the eval. You are...
I assume that I passed 150k eval. ( I take 8 to 10 days )

From here you take it for comparison.

STF every day 450 to 500. You are given 3750 DLL.
20 days = 9000. You can withdraw 3000 ( Every day withdrawal works out to 150, this is ok but not too good )

Eval funded.
You make 450 to 500. You are given 4500 DD as breach.
First 10 days = 10 x 450. You can withdraw 2500.
Second 10 days. = 10 x 450. You can wiithdraw 3000
In 20 days you can withdraw 5500. ( Every day withdrawal works out to 275. This is good going )

It is like comparing three types of accounts

1) Privately funded account ( 500 account )
2) Eval passed account ( 90 dollar fee )
3) STF account ( 500 fee )

With all above, if one can pass eval easily, eval account is best .
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  • #48,196
  • Apr 15, 2025 10:27am Apr 15, 2025 10:27am
Quoting hubbion
I am reading this thread the past many pages, and the conclusion is that every prop firm is a scam. Is there one that is legit and you can trust to be paid at all?
I do not know how people dare to use unrealible companies.

Best in my view are: Darwinex Zero, FTMO and the 5'ers.

Others are gambling I believe.
  • #48,197
  • Apr 15, 2025 10:27am Apr 15, 2025 10:27am
Quoting navk
{quote} I assume that I passed 150k eval. ( I take 8 to 10 days ) From here you take it for comparison. STF every day 450 to 500. You are given 3750 DLL. 20 days = 9000. You can withdraw 3000 ( Every day withdrawal works out to 150, this is ok but not too good ) Eval funded. You make 450 to 500. You are given 4500 DD as breach. First 10 days = 10 x 450. You can withdraw 2500. Second 10 days. = 10 x 450. You can wiithdraw 3000 In 20 days you can withdraw 5500. ( Every day withdrawal works out to 275. This is good going ) It is like comparing three...
But you are not counting the profit you had to make to pass the eval, if 3K is target, you will make 9K on the STF and are able to withdrawal.......that profit is wasted on passing the eval.
I guess it works for my trading style.
You also must realize, you are an outlier in being able to pass 100% AND in under 30 days......most are paying that eval cost 3-4 times or more to get 1 live sim, either because they YOLO or they trade normal and take longer than the 30 days. I am the latter, I always take about 1.5 months to pass, but I trade small and stress-free.
  • #48,198
  • Apr 15, 2025 10:41am Apr 15, 2025 10:41am
Quoting deroty
{quote} I do not know how people dare to use unrealible companies. Best in my view are: Darwinex Zero, FTMO and the 5'ers. Others are gambling I believe.
I agree on those. Being from USA, cannot use 5%ers or FTMO.....I was funded with both, still have the accounts with Match Trader, which sucks....I have moved on.
I use Darwinex Zero, by far, my absolute #1, ......so stress-free, trade as I wish, easy to gring 2-25% per month with very little risk.
Futures props......Tradeify, MFFU, Take Profit and Topstep are all reputable....there are 6-7 others but the all-in cost with activation fees and intraday trail and various other rules steer me away.
The new forex props coming to futures and offering $50 evals with no activation fees.......like I said I put them in my "what the hell, why not?" bucket. Not counting on anything, but if I can grab $4,500 from a $150-300 investment, it's pretty good ROI.
  • #48,199
  • Edited 11:24am Apr 15, 2025 11:13am | Edited 11:24am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} But you are not counting the profit you had to make to pass the eval, if 3K is target, you will make 9K on the STF and are able to withdrawal.......that profit is wasted on passing the eval. I guess it works for my trading style. You also must realize, you are an outlier in being able to pass 100% AND in under 30 days......most are paying that eval cost 3-4 times or more to get 1 live sim, either because they YOLO or they trade normal and take longer than the 30 days. I am the latter, I always take about 1.5 months to pass, but I trade small...
you are correct, for slow traders STF is ok.
But here too, one need to make profit, 9k to withdraw 3k. How long @ 100 ?

At the end, i would say, whther STF or eval type, one needs to be aggressive / over aggressive or a plan to achive first 9k.

If one make 100 in 150k STF, every day, is it worth ?
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  • #48,200
  • Apr 15, 2025 11:17am Apr 15, 2025 11:17am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} But you are not counting the profit you had to make to pass the eval, if 3K is target, you will make 9K on the STF and are able to withdrawal.......that profit is wasted on passing the eval. I guess it works for my trading style. You also must realize, you are an outlier in being able to pass 100% AND in under 30 days......most are paying that eval cost 3-4 times or more to get 1 live sim, either because they YOLO or they trade normal and take longer than the 30 days. I am the latter, I always take about 1.5 months to pass, but I trade small...
I did 250k apex eval account 15k target in 2 days.

But,,, now apex is putting brakes to me in 250k funded account. The negative 30 % PNL rule makes me to be cautious. Still my result today ( with 1950 negative PNL ) is not bad on the first day.
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