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  • #43,281
  • Oct 16, 2024 12:32pm Oct 16, 2024 12:32pm
Quoting CableJ
{quote} There is one massive fly in the ointment to infinite growth.... volume limitations, especially for intraday traders, liquidity is not infinite. Depending on a trader's risk, sl size & available <5 level market depth, they could be position size maxed with only a 100-200K account size.
Exactly. It depends on the timeframe and instruments you trade. If one is trading swing on Spot Forex it can be scaled much more than daytrading small cap stocks.
  • #43,282
  • Oct 16, 2024 12:34pm Oct 16, 2024 12:34pm
Quoting Quickly
{quote} If they were stupid enough to compound only once a month, but why on earth would they do that?!
Of course a rethoric question I assume. But I want to give you the answer nevertheless. It is like intrady trailing and End of day trailing. The last one is less risky meaning that the safety margin is higher doing that from a trader perspective. And so is doing compounding End of month too, less risky than doing it every day. Fact.
  • #43,283
  • Edited 2:34pm Oct 16, 2024 2:03pm | Edited 2:34pm
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} It is not impossible too, 15% monthly over 4 years makes 82000% or 820x return. Myself I have made 100x or 100 times or 10000% return .
let me be so free to correct you on this …

82000% or 819X , the formula is (% divided by 100) + 1

and in the opposite direction ;

100 times or 9900 % , the formula is ( X times multiplied with 100) - 100

quite advanced math , I admit ..if you got this correct , I would have considered you a genius.

Fact.

P.S. Still amazing , exactly 100 times ..
  • #43,284
  • Oct 16, 2024 2:26pm Oct 16, 2024 2:26pm
Quoting mrdfx
Hey guys, I've been out of the prop game for a while, and I want to start another prop evaluation. I know the prop firm landscape has changed a lot, so I'm not sure who is still a viable option besides FTMO? My search on propfirmmatch came up with FXIFY, funded next, and funded trading plus as options according to my search criteria. Are any of these props good options worth considering? I looked at maybe futures trading as that seems the be the craze around here lately, but I'm not quite ready for that jump yet. Thanks.
Probably if i were in you i might choose funded next as the only option besides FTMO. In the three you mentioned, it's the most trustable.
  • #43,285
  • Edited 4:57pm Oct 16, 2024 3:51pm | Edited 4:57pm
Quoting mrdfx
Hey guys, I've been out of the prop game for a while, and I want to start another prop evaluation. I know the prop firm landscape has changed a lot, so I'm not sure who is still a viable option besides FTMO? My search on propfirmmatch came up with FXIFY, funded next, and funded trading plus as options according to my search criteria. Are any of these props good options worth considering? I looked at maybe futures trading as that seems the be the craze around here lately, but I'm not quite ready for that jump yet. Thanks.
besides FTMO, the5ers should be on your list too …

and yes, FundedTradingPlus, which I recently discovered , I have a very good impression from them , their drawdown trails on balance making it more difficult , also only leverage of 30:1 ( keeps the gamblers on distance)

only denied 1.74 % of withdrawals and very decent Trustpilot score

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/fundedtradingplus.com

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https://www.fundedtradingplus.com/ceo-statement/
  • #43,286
  • Oct 16, 2024 4:10pm Oct 16, 2024 4:10pm
Day - 4 Road to payout....

Nearly there for 3600$ bag....

1 more 100$ day to go hoping to hit it in asian seassion
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  • #43,287
  • Oct 16, 2024 4:35pm Oct 16, 2024 4:35pm
Quoting Nsak3y
{quote}-I suppose that this would be equivalent to flipping an account more than 3 times in an row, which can be done. The only difference is that the trader would need to wait until the next month after each flip, which doesn't usually happen, as a matter of choice.
Flipping I guess is a term for yolo trading?

I'm not sure if he had traders in mind to pull 10% per month flipping once a month. 'flippers' use high leverage to make huge amount or bust the account. I doubt a flipper can be of any use for him if he is trying to sell signals to investors with deep pockets.

Flipping probably works best for props.
  • #43,288
  • Oct 16, 2024 4:52pm Oct 16, 2024 4:52pm
Flipping accounts has an expiration date. Whether its 10% a month or 50% a month the result is the same, a dead account.

My play money account went from 2k, to 20k in a week (40 trades) then back to 10k before I rebalanced it to 2k by removing 8. I lost 50% from watermark and likely would have lost the rest if I didn't put the breaks on.

Markets change and a changing market with leverage is an account killer. Anyone who says that they consistently beat the best of the best is full of shit. Prop firms have enabled people like this to self promote consistency that people do not have. Most famous prop traders fail on a brokerage account because the failure is unforgiving.
  • #43,289
  • Edited 5:16pm Oct 16, 2024 5:06pm | Edited 5:16pm
Quoting OutThere
Flipping I guess is a term for yolo trading? I'm not sure if he had traders in mind to pull 10% per month flipping once a month. 'flippers' use high leverage to make huge amount or bust the account.
-It is my understanding that the term 'flipping', in this case, simply means doubling an account. It does not necessarily have to be within a given time-frame, but it is often done so rather quickly by those that make a strategy out of it. If the draw-down allowance is 5%, then that is the account balance in my mind. So, 5% draw-down with 10% target is essentially flipping.

Flipping an account does not have to equate to gambling. If you flip an account over a several-year span, then that does not seem unreasonable (depending on the size). Doing so, repeatedly, month-after-month, is a path for disaster (in most cases).
  • #43,290
  • Oct 16, 2024 5:18pm Oct 16, 2024 5:18pm
Quoting Takisd
Flipping accounts has an expiration date. Whether its 10% a month or 50% a month the result is the same, a dead account. My play money account went from 2k, to 20k in a week (40 trades) then back to 10k before I rebalanced it to 2k by removing 8. I lost 50% from watermark and likely would have lost the rest if I didn't put the breaks on. Markets change and a changing market with leverage is an account killer. Anyone who says that they consistently beat the best of the best is full of shit. Prop firms have enabled people like this to self promote...
So, you agree with the CEO saying 10%/mo with 5% max dd is impossible to do 4 months straight?
  • #43,291
  • Oct 16, 2024 5:21pm Oct 16, 2024 5:21pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} So, you agree with the CEO saying 10%/mo with 5% max dd is impossible to do 4 months straight?
Its possible to do for 4 months that is very short period of time. 4 years, extremely unlikely. More unlikely if they are posting here or on x.
  • #43,292
  • Oct 16, 2024 5:25pm Oct 16, 2024 5:25pm
Quoting Nsak3y
{quote}-It is my understanding that the term 'flipping', in this case, simply means doubling an account. It does not necessarily have to be within a given time-frame, but it is often done so rather quickly by those that make a strategy out of it. If the draw-down allowance is 5%, then that is the account balance in my mind. So, 5% draw-down with 10% target is essentially flipping. Flipping an account does not have to equate to gambling. If you flip an account over a several-year span, then that does not seem unreasonable (depending on the size)....
How come there is no threads with someone trying to teach flipping within the 5% dd or even 100% ?
I saw (but haven't watched) YouTube vids about 'How I flipped my account' but usually it is in the past and they show that specific chart and time and moment they did it. Once again, I think it's just based on yolo feeling. I wish they would publish 'how I tried to flip my account and blew it instead' vids.
  • #43,293
  • Oct 16, 2024 6:30pm Oct 16, 2024 6:30pm
Quoting TrAndy1
And I am by far not alone with that kind of 20% return per month. There are at least a few hundred or even 1000 traders on prop firms, who have done such returns because of the low fees invested in the challenge and then got huge payouts thereafter. So we see 20% return per month is not too special really. Maybe over many years of course, because then you are almost billionaire. But for a few years this is certainly in the possible range what everyone can do, especially on prop firms.
So you pull 20%/mo with dd below 5%?
The 5% and 4 months in a row are important conditions for this feat.
If so, at least one CEO is dying to see your results Mr. Trandy1 Bolt.
  • #43,294
  • Oct 16, 2024 6:47pm Oct 16, 2024 6:47pm
Quoting TrAndy1
And I am by far not alone with that kind of 20% return per month.
Definitely, a few can do it at Trading Journals - example: Swing Trades DAX/DOW/NQ/GOLD, and another lurking here on and off.
But of course they only post winning charts like the pivot master.
Still waiting for you to let us know your no margin call broker.
  • #43,295
  • Oct 16, 2024 6:54pm Oct 16, 2024 6:54pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} How come there is no threads with someone trying to teach flipping within the 5% dd or even 100% ? I saw (but haven't watched) YouTube vids about 'How I flipped my account' but usually it is in the past and they show that specific chart and time and moment they did it. Once again, I think it's just based on yolo feeling. I wish they would publish 'how I tried to flip my account and blew it instead' vids.
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...0-or-20-trades
  • #43,296
  • Oct 16, 2024 11:10pm Oct 16, 2024 11:10pm
Quoting mrdfx
Hey guys, I've been out of the prop game for a while, and I want to start another prop evaluation. I know the prop firm landscape has changed a lot, so I'm not sure who is still a viable option besides FTMO? My search on propfirmmatch came up with FXIFY, funded next, and funded trading plus as options according to my search criteria. Are any of these props good options worth considering? I looked at maybe futures trading as that seems the be the craze around here lately, but I'm not quite ready for that jump yet. Thanks.
Besides FTMO you may consider 5ers. Then you can add E8 as third option and Maven / City Traders Imperium as fourth. I' talking about props with low % of 1 star reviews in Trust Pilot (and a lot of reviews).

FXIFY has been having problems of payout denials and/or banning people. Funded Next seems to have improved from their original shady nature, but better be cautious. FT+ is reputable but the DD is a trailing one.
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  • Oct 17, 2024 12:40am Oct 17, 2024 12:40am
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  • #43,298
  • Oct 17, 2024 12:54am Oct 17, 2024 12:54am
This guy was ripped of in 30K in Fast Track Trader. He was entitled to it, followed their information and then could not make another request.
https://x.com/TraderMathe/status/1846564101469680090
  • #43,299
  • Oct 17, 2024 1:12am Oct 17, 2024 1:12am
Quoting TrAndy1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3hsGd5WBNw
Complete garbage
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #43,300
  • Edited 2:01am Oct 17, 2024 1:42am | Edited 2:01am
NexGen also direct funding model, which makes sense from a math view.
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