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  • First Post: Edited Aug 13, 2024 11:54pm Aug 8, 2024 11:55am | Edited Aug 13, 2024 11:54pm
This post was removed. Ya'll know too much now.
  • #2
  • Aug 8, 2024 3:04pm Aug 8, 2024 3:04pm
Hello, I am Cameroonian in Cameroon and I just read you on trading. How can I understand your thoughts on trading? I am currently in training with a demo account that is still losing money despite the courses I would like to take. I do not yet have the real tools. Best Regards.
  • #3
  • Aug 8, 2024 10:42pm Aug 8, 2024 10:42pm
Would you mind providing us with some examples of your approach?
  • #4
  • Aug 9, 2024 1:13am Aug 9, 2024 1:13am
what is "LOSSY profit/loss ratio" mean? sorry, English is not my 1st language @@
  • #5
  • Aug 9, 2024 1:47am Aug 9, 2024 1:47am
Got lost
would be nice to see some chart examples
Thanks
  • #6
  • Aug 9, 2024 1:59am Aug 9, 2024 1:59am
Your hypothesis is not only incorrect but displays a fundamental misunderstanding of how the forex market and institutional trading truly operate. The notion that banks somehow rig the system to ensure perpetual profitability at the expense of retail traders is, frankly, a naïve oversimplification.

I can assure you that banks and financial institutions do not engage in trading solely to "win" against retail participants. Institutional activities in the forex market are multifaceted—ranging from hedging currency exposure, facilitating international transactions, and managing vast portfolios with complex risk profiles. These actions do not result in the consistent loss of retail traders as you suggest.

The idea that retail traders lose money unless they align with banks is equally misguided. Losses among retail traders stem from a lack of sophisticated strategy, insufficient risk management and an emotional approach to trading. It’s not some grand conspiracy orchestrated by banks to siphon off retail money. Your theory that any entity maniupulates profit/loss to consistently benefit institutional players is simply detached from the realities of how markets function.

Furthermore, your reliance on optimizing moving averages and hedging strategies as a surefire path to profitability is overly simplistic. Market dynamics are influenced by a multitude of variables— and trading with moving averages as your strategy will only result in your underperformance.

Your assertion that banks possess a secret formula to ensure they always win while retail traders always lose is not only erroneous but also reflects a lack of insight into the sophisticated nature of institutional trading. If you have been doing this since 2007 I suggest finding a different hobby. The forex market is a zero-sum game, and while banks have access to superior resources and expertise, the idea that they can universally enforce losses on retail traders through the mechanisms you've outlined is pure fantasy.
Through the light of enlightenment, darkness unveils the path of truth.
  • #7
  • Aug 9, 2024 3:59am Aug 9, 2024 3:59am
Quoting Vorenzd
Your hypothesis is not only incorrect but displays a fundamental misunderstanding of how the forex market and institutional trading truly operate. The notion that banks somehow rig the system to ensure perpetual profitability at the expense of retail traders is, frankly, a naïve oversimplification. I can assure you that banks and financial institutions do not engage in trading solely to "win" against retail participants. Institutional activities in the forex market are multifaceted—ranging from hedging currency exposure, facilitating international...
Finally someone who writes the right things. Most people in this forum have not understood that 99% of the time it is not even put on the market, regardless of whether the broker is ECN or not. Imagine if banks need their stoploss, in the CFD market ahah, they really don't know what they are talking about
  • #8
  • Aug 9, 2024 5:42am Aug 9, 2024 5:42am
Quoting gian97
{quote} Finally someone who writes the right things. Most people in this forum have not understood that 99% of the time it is not even put on the market, regardless of whether the broker is ECN or not. Imagine if banks need their stoploss, in the CFD market ahah, they really don't know what they are talking about
Yes... the notion that banks would waste a moment of their time worrying about retail traders' positions, particularly in the CFD market, is, to put it mildly, laughable. Retail traders are like a rounding error in the grand scheme of things, and yet some seem convinced they’re at the center of a vast conspiracy.

According to a 2019 report by the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), retail traders make up approximately 5.5% of the forex market. That figure alone should put things into perspective.

What’s even more entertaining is the belief that these retail trades are somehow impactful enough to influence the decisions of institutions that deal in volumes and strategies on a scale that’s simply incomprehensible to most. It’s a charming delusion, really, but one that speaks volumes about the lack of real market knowledge.
Through the light of enlightenment, darkness unveils the path of truth.
  • #9
  • Aug 9, 2024 5:58am Aug 9, 2024 5:58am
Quoting Vorenzd
Your hypothesis is not only incorrect but displays a fundamental misunderstanding of how the forex market and institutional trading truly operate. The notion that banks somehow rig the system to ensure perpetual profitability at the expense of retail traders is, frankly, a naïve oversimplification. I can assure you that banks and financial institutions do not engage in trading solely to "win" against retail participants. Institutional activities in the forex market are multifaceted—ranging from hedging currency exposure, facilitating international...
Hi vorenzd,

Very spot on & to the point is your post. I subscribe. There is no magic pill & no magic potion in trading. Best of trades to you, my friend.
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  • #10
  • Aug 9, 2024 9:12am Aug 9, 2024 9:12am
Quoting Vorenzd
Your hypothesis is not only incorrect but displays a fundamental misunderstanding
You gotta agree, making a lossy p/l ratio profitable is pretty ingenious. Who would've ever thought to even look there? Maybe only the top IQ in the world?
And that's the problem. It's been very rewarding figuring it all out by myself. But so many other dubious elements get this spoonfed who have no needed intellectual depth.
  • #11
  • Aug 9, 2024 9:38am Aug 9, 2024 9:38am
Hello Costos, It is remarkable that you do not support your (mystical) theory with practical arguments.
What, was, when, how, where, with whom?
And how could it happen?
A bit from the crime box
Best wishes to you
  • #12
  • Aug 9, 2024 10:05am Aug 9, 2024 10:05am
…all the fluctuations in the market and in all the various stocks should be studied as if they were the result of one man’s operations. Let us call him the Composite Man, who, in theory, sits behind the scenes and manipulates the stocks to your disadvantage if you do not understand the game as he plays it; and to your great profit if you do understand it.
“ (The Richard D. Wyckoff Course in Stock Market Science and Technique, section 9, p. 1-2)
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  • #13
  • Aug 9, 2024 10:47am Aug 9, 2024 10:47am
Quoting Isabella_D
Hello Costos, It is remarkable that you do not support your (mystical) theory with practical arguments. What, was, when, how, where, with whom? And how could it happen? A bit from the crime box Best wishes to you
Don't take my word for it, run the numbers yourself.
  • #14
  • Aug 9, 2024 10:56am Aug 9, 2024 10:56am
Quoting hesron
…all the fluctuations in the market and in all the various stocks should be studied as if they were the result of one man’s operations. Let us call him the Composite Man, who, in theory, sits behind the scenes and manipulates the stocks to your disadvantage if you do not understand the game as he plays it; and to your great profit if you do understand it. “ (The Richard D. Wyckoff Course in Stock Market Science and Technique, section 9, p. 1-2)
Fantastic quote, thank you. That guy lived a century ago!
I actually haven't looked into the stock market, only forex/commodities, I would imagine it'd have to be the same or similar.
Be safe knowing all this. They *hate* smart people and hunt them for sport. Whereas they should've guarded the bank's edge a little better.
  • #15
  • Aug 9, 2024 6:08pm Aug 9, 2024 6:08pm
Quoting hesron
…all the fluctuations in the market and in all the various stocks should be studied as if they were the result of one man’s operations. Let us call him the Composite Man, who, in theory, sits behind the scenes and manipulates the stocks to your disadvantage if you do not understand the game as he plays it; and to your great profit if you do understand it. “ (The Richard D. Wyckoff Course in Stock Market Science and Technique, section 9, p. 1-2)
Quoting costos
{quote} I actually haven't looked into the stock market, only forex/commodities, I would imagine it'd have to be the same or similar. .
In essence, while the stock market might lend itself to the idea of manipulation for profit, the forex market is largely about fulfilling economic needs and maintaining stability across global financial systems. The profit motive exists, certainly, but it's interwoven with broader, more complex objectives. Understanding this fundamental difference is key to recognizing why concepts like the "Composite Man" cannot be simply transposed from stocks to forex without missing the nuances that define each market.

Quoting costos
{quote} You gotta agree, making a lossy p/l ratio profitable is pretty ingenious. Who would've ever thought to even look there? Maybe only the top IQ in the world? And that's the problem. It's been very rewarding figuring it all out by myself. But so many other dubious elements get this spoonfed who have no needed intellectual depth.
Turning a lossy P/L ratio into something resembling profitability? Yes, it's a clever trick—one that perhaps someone new to the game might find impressive. But let’s not confuse ingenuity with mastery. Loss analysis is key in any performance analysis. But for that to be reserved for a top IQ individual, I doubt. What you deem a stroke of genius is merely a basic exercise in risk management, well-trodden by even the junior risk managers.
Through the light of enlightenment, darkness unveils the path of truth.
  • #16
  • Aug 9, 2024 6:28pm Aug 9, 2024 6:28pm
Quoting Vorenzd
Your hypothesis is not only incorrect but displays a fundamental misunderstanding of how the forex market and institutional trading truly operate. The notion that banks somehow rig the system to ensure perpetual profitability at the expense of retail traders is, frankly, a naïve oversimplification. I can assure you that banks and financial institutions do not engage in trading solely to "win" against retail participants. Institutional activities in the forex market are multifaceted—ranging from hedging currency exposure, facilitating international...
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  • #17
  • Aug 9, 2024 9:22pm Aug 9, 2024 9:22pm
Quoting costos
Forex Factory has been helpful to me since 2007, so I want to give back to the community. So as you can imagine, the banks never lose money. Conversely, all traders lose money. Or, better to say, the traders lose money, if they don't trade with the banks. How in the world would the banks accomplish this? Well, they make trading with LOSSY profit/loss ratio PROFITABLE! Counterintuitive, right? And this can never change, you will always make the money because the bank must always make money. The alternative is, the profitable ratio is profitable,...
GARBAGE.
  • #18
  • Aug 10, 2024 3:54am Aug 10, 2024 3:54am
Quoting edge540
{quote} GARBAGE.
Why garbage?

this guy think he is onto something, maybe yes, maybe coincidence.

honestly i didn't understand what is the trick he found out, but if it about the timing of the hedge trade so it could be interesting.
i used to hedge and i think hedging is to admit you are do not know what is going on so instead of taking the loss you open another trade and wish next support /resistance will hold.


After years in this game i found out a lot of things, the truth is sometimes it works like a phenomenon and sometimes it just don't.

bottom line, i suggest you all to not disrespect other traders opinion.
  • #19
  • Aug 10, 2024 3:33pm Aug 10, 2024 3:33pm
A hypothesis is not proof of the correctness of a thesis, especially since an actual state is not even described.
Ok, the earth is flat and lovemaking of cobblestones in south wind is more intense than in north wind.
Nonsense causality.
  • #20
  • Last Post: Aug 17, 2024 10:39am Aug 17, 2024 10:39am
Quoting Vorenzd
Your hypothesis is not only incorrect but displays a fundamental misunderstanding of how the forex market and institutional trading truly operate. The notion that banks somehow rig the system to ensure perpetual profitability at the expense of retail traders is, frankly, a naïve oversimplification. I can assure you that banks and financial institutions do not engage in trading solely to "win" against retail participants. Institutional activities in the forex market are multifaceted—ranging from hedging currency exposure, facilitating international...
most people (and thread owner included with very high chance) open such thread just to look like they have a secret Sauce and want other PM them and sell some bullshit Information's that will not work. most would call it "scam under the radar" tactic. often people do it more intelligent and hide this a little bit more then he is doing, but he just copy what other sellers did so many times already.
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