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  • #36,781
  • May 19, 2024 7:11pm May 19, 2024 7:11pm
BTW SOME ASIA SESSION DELICIOUS CRUMBS. DAILY Target done.

1. ONE IMPORTANT THING WHOEVER COPY TRADING APEX WITH SL NOW. REMEMBER TO CLICK "EXIT ALL POSITIONS" AFTER TP HIT TO REMOVE SL LIMIT ORDER
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  • #36,782
  • May 19, 2024 9:29pm May 19, 2024 9:29pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Its always a personality opinion who views things with what perspective. In my previous post i mentioned prop firm rules helped me improve or overcome struggles/issues i had with trading for long time. Not everybody going to think like this but if you bring in layman ask a common sense question which one will be more profitable skilled trader over time following these hard rules or yolo behaviour you’ll get your answer. Not talking about any specific prop firm just my 2cents. BTW YOU TAKING A BAD EXAMPLE alpine even if he repeats on personal...
Couple of things I didn't advocate his trading style. I said he is replicating on one of his live account so if apex wants to copy they could. Of course he was taking advantage of the system.
Why do you think apex allows 20 accounts why not just give one or industry standard 3 like other prop firms? Do you really need 20 accounts to find good trader or you are luring gamblers?
Why do apex have 90% discount and 1 day pass and 250K account sale?
My limited point was when you don't lock your house you can't scold thieves.
The problem with alpine was he was displaying his orb in live stream and probably hundreds if not thousands of traders doing that and people were consistently getting payouts. APEX is not concern about blowing up accounts. They are concern about lucky traders consistently getting payouts.
Good traders are made by self realizing your own mistakes not via prop firms. Prop firms are way to speed up compounding.
  • #36,783
  • May 19, 2024 9:50pm May 19, 2024 9:50pm
Quoting sampat
The problem with alpine was he was displaying his orb in live stream and probably hundreds if not thousands of traders doing that and people were consistently getting payouts.
-I have not seen many of his videos, but all of the trading that I saw involved micro-scalping. Someone pointed out to me what he was doing to generate the bulk of his profits, which involved a prohibited strategy. If true, then I suspect that all of the scalping that I saw was just an effort to cover up what he was really doing. I can only speculate, however.

Personally, I would be concerned about the possibility of getting flagged for copy-trading if I were ever to broadcast my trades via a live stream without any sort of delay.
  • #36,784
  • May 19, 2024 10:23pm May 19, 2024 10:23pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} Couple of things I didn't advocate his trading style. I said he is replicating on one of his live account so if apex wants to copy they could. Of course he was taking advantage of the system. Why do you think apex allows 20 accounts why not just give one or industry standard 3 like other prop firms? Do you really need 20 accounts to find good trader or you are luring gamblers? Why do apex have 90% discount and 1 day pass and 250K account sale? My limited point was when you don't lock your house you can't scold thieves. The problem with alpine...
Giving 20 accounts or discounts doesn't mean success. That's the company offering to lure more customers we are in a competitive market. Yeah a trader doesn't need it but its his/her own choice to get 20. They are not forcing it you to buy 20. Even if 20 or 50 accounts its doesnt mean you have to gamble. 1 day pass just means they removed minimum trading days criteria not giving the right to YOLO as you still have months time to pass. Plus you can pass in minimum time without yolo'ing.
As i said everybody has their own perspective and opinions. It helped me become better not saying its gonna do the wonders to others.
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  • #36,785
  • May 19, 2024 10:33pm May 19, 2024 10:33pm
Quoting Nsak3y
{quote}-I have not seen many of his videos, but all of the trading that I saw involved micro-scalping. Someone pointed out to me what he was doing to generate the bulk of his profits, which involved a prohibited strategy. If true, then I suspect that all of the scalping that I saw was just an effort to cover up what he was really doing. I can only speculate, however. Personally, I would be concerned about the possibility of getting flagged for copy-trading if I were ever to broadcast my trades via a live stream without any sort of delay.
I have seen his stream for 2 months straight and there is another volatility trading same like him. The issue is he does everything that prohibited not just Apex if you go somewhere else they do the same. Yes he does micro scalping. He shows 200$ profits but usually his trades goes in huge drawdown coz he puts big size to scalp those ticks before luckily comes back n when it doesn't he blows up the account alot of them. His strategy is just limit orders on both sides for opening range that's it. Which is like surviving on luck no trading plan at all. He does alot of DCA hoping and praying. Plus these streamers are the ones crying most. Except Patrick out of it coz atleast he has a trading strategy. We are discussing more n more of bad apples. SHould be talking about Mat(may be learn from him coz what he has achieved shows the pathway anyone can make 240k in 3months) i have been following him for 2 month he is the epitome of consistent, disciplined youtube stream trader

PLUS I ALWAYS BUILD MY OPINION BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN/EXPERIENCED MYSELF NOT ON HEARSAY
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  • #36,786
  • May 19, 2024 10:44pm May 19, 2024 10:44pm
Here we go again....
https://surgetrader.com/trading-rule...ccount-limits/
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  • #36,787
  • May 19, 2024 10:52pm May 19, 2024 10:52pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Giving 20 accounts or discounts doesn't mean success. That's the company offering to lure more customers we are in a competitive market. Yeah a trader doesn't need it but its his/her own choice to get 20. They are not forcing it you to buy 20. Even if 20 or 50 accounts its doesnt mean you have to gamble. 1 day pass just means they removed minimum trading days criteria not giving the right to YOLO as you still have months time to pass. Plus you can pass in minimum time without yolo'ing. As i said everybody has their own perspective and opinions....
Yes cheap accounts doesn't mean one has to YOLO same way way Americans can't complain about GUN violence and Canadian about DRUGS.
If something is easily available there will be abuse.
There are always 2 side of coin it depends on person what to choose.
I love apex it is best prop firm I will love them more if they increase account to 40 and keep 90% forever.
  • #36,788
  • May 19, 2024 10:55pm May 19, 2024 10:55pm
Quoting montygoldy
PLUS I ALWAYS BUILD MY OPINION BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN/EXPERIENCED MYSELF NOT ON HEARSAY
-I have no opinion about him, personally. I can speak only about what I can discern for myself while speculating about possibilities.
  • #36,789
  • May 19, 2024 11:57pm May 19, 2024 11:57pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} Yes cheap accounts doesn't mean one has to YOLO same way way Americans can't complain about GUN violence and Canadian about DRUGS. If something is easily available there will be abuse. There are always 2 side of coin it depends on person what to choose. I love apex it is best prop firm I will love them more if they increase account to 40 and keep 90% forever.
Exactly now they are making it harder for abusers n fairer thats why all the crying is about. Coz in common sense i dont see any issue with new changes. Plus i'll follow them n will let you all guys know on my next payout which will be 9 days after.
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  • #36,790
  • May 20, 2024 1:02am May 20, 2024 1:02am
My problem with ID verification is resolved. I was not even asked for new photos. So once again I will point out that this system have bad design (for me intentionally). It will be so easier if a problem exists to be double checked from staff and then, if needed, to bother the user.
Trading should be boring and you need all your attention. One very hard learned lesson for me and I have not even mastered it for years yet, is not to trade if you are not calm and fully concentrated. All emotions are your enemy in trading.

Ninjatrader is not a good platform. This week I may try Quantower for copytrading (shoutout to @pipmaster77).
Sierra Chart is probably the best option, but is paid. I do not know if it is possible to connect Apex accounts in the free-trial which they give you.
Does anyone here use Sierra?

Good luck in the new week!
  • #36,791
  • May 20, 2024 2:34am May 20, 2024 2:34am
Quoting JosephBud
Here we go again.... https://surgetrader.com/trading-rule...ccount-limits/ {image}
Expected as MatchTrader has a very poor reputation in the FX business.
  • #36,792
  • May 20, 2024 3:06am May 20, 2024 3:06am
Apart from Meta and ctrader nothing is remotely acceptable for fx.
Matchtrader, DX, tradelocker.... all crap stuff.
  • #36,793
  • May 20, 2024 3:22am May 20, 2024 3:22am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} I have seen his stream for 2 months straight and there is another volatility trading same like him. The issue is he does everything that prohibited not just Apex if you go somewhere else they do the same. Yes he does micro scalping. He shows 200$ profits but usually his trades goes in huge drawdown coz he puts big size to scalp those ticks before luckily comes back n when it doesn't he blows up the account alot of them. His strategy is just limit orders on both sides for opening range that's it. Which is like surviving on luck no trading...
Are you talking about the guy trades by matt on youtube? This guy is an absolute joke, I really wouldn't trust a word he says. If you seriously believe he has 20 apex accounts that he passed on his own and is receiving $80k a month from them, then I don't know what to say. There are dozens of threads exposing this guy all across the web. He's basically an advert for apex, and used to be an advert for topstep before he jumped ship.

Take a read here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FuturesTrad...att_scamfraud/
  • #36,794
  • May 20, 2024 3:22am May 20, 2024 3:22am
Quoting procrude
I love this guy ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7SSQSI_R6k
Any dudes currently use this guy's pro firm? is it legit in terms of payout or spreads etc? he seems to have a better personality than those "teenage" CEOs
  • #36,795
  • May 20, 2024 4:26am May 20, 2024 4:26am
Quoting longcanlun12
{quote} Any dudes currently use this guy's pro firm? is it legit in terms of payout or spreads etc? he seems to have a better personality than those "teenage" CEOs
I can't speak for others but for me no problems 3 payouts to date all around 1k. I just bought 100k with them going to try and pull a little more out with that account. They use Trade Locker and Meta 5. I've heard in Discord that the spreads on MetaTrader are not good. Tradelocker is getting better but I would rather have the fast execution of Metatrader. I did not go to Metatrader on the new account because everyone on Discord complained about the spreads.
  • #36,796
  • May 20, 2024 4:58am May 20, 2024 4:58am
Would like to know is Blusky's $50k better than Apex
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  • #36,797
  • May 20, 2024 6:00am May 20, 2024 6:00am
Match trader is fpfx. They invested in match and is now punishing surge for leaving them. They are also suing anyone who ever left them it seems. Because Justin hertzberg is an insecure rodent. Avoid anyone using match trader.

also surge is a scam too but main point is match
  • #36,798
  • Edited 7:31am May 20, 2024 7:21am | Edited 7:31am
Quoting failinforex
Would like to know is Blusky's $50k better than Apex {image}
The trend seems to be towards more frequent payouts, Bluesky, TakeProfitTrader let you withdrawal daily. Obviously, this is an advantadge over only requesting 2 per month and then waiting 10+ days after approval for it to process and then another several days to receive the funds. I'm sure there are others with similar withdrawal policies , I simply haven't researched enough.
Looks like they supposedly put you on live at some point, which I'm still not understanding why some think this is a good thing. Does it make it more legit? maybe. Less chance of regulator issues? maybe.
Trying to understand if you can pull your profit from stage 2 A, your sim account, before they move you to stage 2B, an actual live account
  • #36,799
  • May 20, 2024 7:45am May 20, 2024 7:45am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} The trend seems to be towards more frequent payouts, Bluesky, TakeProfitTrader let you withdrawal daily. Obviously, this is an advantadge over only requesting 2 per month and then waiting 10+ days after approval for it to process and then another several days to receive the funds. I'm sure there are others with similar withdrawal policies , I simply haven't researched enough. Looks like they supposedly put you on live at some point, which I'm still not understanding why some think this is a good thing. Does it make it more legit? maybe....
Yes, that "withdrawal daily" does look good. Maybe shout-out to our super duper yolo montygoldy to give it a try.
  • #36,800
  • May 20, 2024 7:51am May 20, 2024 7:51am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} The trend seems to be towards more frequent payouts, Bluesky, TakeProfitTrader let you withdrawal daily. Obviously, this is an advantadge over only requesting 2 per month and then waiting 10+ days after approval for it to process and then another several days to receive the funds. I'm sure there are others with similar withdrawal policies , I simply haven't researched enough. Looks like they supposedly put you on live at some point, which I'm still not understanding why some think this is a good thing. Does it make it more legit? maybe....
Only difference is some countries like canada is not allowed to open pro+ account with tradovate.
I dont see any advantages only disadvantages as one can only have 1 live account plus one has to pay 120$ monthly data fees.
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