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  • #34,641
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:05am Apr 11, 2024 7:05am
Quoting TheDoug
{quote} I'm 100% new to futures - but what's the problem with going live with Apex? do they drastically change the trading conditions? Will that force you into "professional trader" classification? If you have the habit of $1000/day or so with 20 Apex accounts, why can't you just continue that with a live account? Guess I need to more research into this
You can't trade the amount of total contracts live that you could across accounts in the sim environment, so It depends on how many total contracts you need to make that 1000 a day. If Apex's live is like Topstep, Takeprofit & Tradeday, you may have pro monthly data fees. Why pay Apex 10%? Take your profit, open your own account and keep 100%. Lastly, with your own account you save on taxes with 60/40 capital gains tax vs independent contractor ordinary income tax @ props.
  • #34,642
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:07am Apr 11, 2024 7:07am
Quoting TheDoug
{quote} I'm 100% new to futures - but what's the problem with going live with Apex? do they drastically change the trading conditions? Will that force you into "professional trader" classification? If you have the habit of $1000/day or so with 20 Apex accounts, why can't you just continue that with a live account? Guess I need to more research into this
Nothing has happen. Just paranoia after the Prop CFD collapse. Disregard whatever TrAnsy1 has to say as well. He already proven himself to know nothing about what he speaks.
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  • #34,643
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:11am Apr 11, 2024 7:11am
sort of leads me to another question - can you have multiple personal futures accounts somehow and copytrade to them all? Like one with AMP, one with Ninjatrader, etc?
  • #34,644
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:12am Apr 11, 2024 7:12am
Quoting montygoldy
Update and Some APEX Statistics Total Apex performance from start to finish (1 week) 1. 100 evals - 3700$ (reached this milestone today) 2. 18 Funded Accounts - 2880$ (One time Fee) Total = 6580$ investment. Today i have reached the golden mark of 50100$ on 10 accounts that means 20k withdrawable is available. 20000$ - 6580$ = Total profit 13420$ (not bad in a week) {image}
Well done. Remember you need 10 trading days, and the accounts become eligible for payout then they will be shown on the Payout section. Be sure to set your Payout method ahead of time.

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EDIT: You need $52600 to become eligible for payout. How Do Payouts Work? Payouts, Withdrawals, Profit Split-Percentages – Apex Trader Funding (atf.com)

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  • #34,645
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:12am Apr 11, 2024 7:12am
Do not listen to Cryptoshitty. He is a moron. Never executed any real size in his life on futures exchanges. If you ever executed 50 contracts market or more or you need to do with limit orders you know how difficult it can be. At Apex you can do this with no slippage as it is cheating on level 2 data. Thus it is not longterm sustainable. Highly doubt this can be continued to infinity. Basically any heavy trader has a big execution advantage with Apex, so why have more problems with a real broker futures account then ? there is no reason to do this if you get always your cheated payouts from Apex. The more you scalp the more advantage you have with cheating on Apex and other Future props. They never found a way of real execution prices and slippage on multiple accounts. And then you can have multiple future props to cheat again. This is not a longterm view good. If you can get better executions on sim props than on real live, you have strong incentive to trade with props.
  • #34,646
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:14am Apr 11, 2024 7:14am
Quoting TheDoug
sort of leads me to another question - can you have multiple personal futures accounts somehow and copytrade to them all? Like one with AMP, one with Ninjatrader, etc?
Yes of course, but it does not make sense. Because on personal account you have real size and real execution. You only get DREAM EXECUTIONS on futures props, where copy trading is the way to go how to cheat them. You have no advantage to copy trade on any personal futures account.
  • #34,647
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:19am Apr 11, 2024 7:19am
Quoting TheDoug
sort of leads me to another question - can you have multiple personal futures accounts somehow and copytrade to them all? Like one with AMP, one with Ninjatrader, etc?
Yes you can with the Rihtmic account and compatible copiers.
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  • #34,648
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:20am Apr 11, 2024 7:20am
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} Yes of course, but it does not make sense. Because on personal account you have real size and real execution. You only get DREAM EXECUTIONS on futures props, where copy trading is the way to go how to cheat them. You have no advantage to copy trade on any personal futures account.
You're an idiot. If people are trading 50 micros on a 50k account, slippage will be the least of their problems..
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  • #34,649
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:20am Apr 11, 2024 7:20am
Also Cryptoshitty is allergic who says something against Apex. This is his only prop, no FX prop, just this one future props. He denies that he get dream executions on level 2 but he has no idea how the markets work. If you have 100 contracts to scalp in and out multiple times a day, you can only do this futures props like Apex.
  • #34,650
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:23am Apr 11, 2024 7:23am
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} You piece of shit. I am talking of full contracts. You think I do not know what are micros ? I trade futures when you were not even born. You Crypto pumpy and dumpy asshole.
Can you place 100 mini's on 50k account? No you cant moron. Again you know nothing about what you speak.
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  • #34,651
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:24am Apr 11, 2024 7:24am
Also the real music starts when you have made your threshold on PA accounts. Then you have no trailing crap. Which is a big crappy thing. But afterwards you have always your full drawdown for any trades. Then you can trade 10 minis with no slipp across 20 accounts to make million payouts, like some have demonstrated.
  • #34,652
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:25am Apr 11, 2024 7:25am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Well done. Remember you need 10 trading days, and the accounts become eligible for payout then they will be shown on the Payout section. Be sure to set your Payout method ahead of time. {image} EDIT: You need $52600 to become eligible for payout. How Do Payouts Work? Payouts, Withdrawals, Profit Split-Percentages – Apex Trader Funding (atf.com) {image}
I leave a >2.6K buffer but I know you and a few others go full 2K per account, have you been able to recover the accounts after taking the max payout?
  • #34,653
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:26am Apr 11, 2024 7:26am
You do not have the good at math to make a simple caculation with Apex. See the payouts growth over 1 year or so with Apex and then compare it with visits growth. Then you have a good estimate how much they got in addition to fees to overall payouts. Ticking time bomb it tells me. They need to adjust some rules over time really.
  • #34,654
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:29am Apr 11, 2024 7:29am
Quoting CableJ
{quote} I leave a >2.6K buffer but I know you and a few others go full 2K per account, have you been able to recover the accounts after taking the max payout?
Recover?
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  • #34,655
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:30am Apr 11, 2024 7:30am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Recover?
get back to payout threshold from $600 DD left after payout.
  • #34,656
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:31am Apr 11, 2024 7:31am
Of course I play 800 contracts market or with stop limit to get no slippage execution. But not on one account of course, again he has no idea what I am talking about. Cryptoshitty is so stupid, unbelievable. You have 80 accounts where you copy from of course. Then you do it after your 2.5 k threshold on PA accounts, where you can really go bigger with some minis. That is true cheating on Apex and other props. It cannot be good.
  • #34,657
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:32am Apr 11, 2024 7:32am
Quoting CableJ
{quote} get back to payout threshold from $600 DD left after payout.
Yeah, but I leave a buffer in each account of about 1-2k
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  • #34,658
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:33am Apr 11, 2024 7:33am
Quoting TrAndy1
Of course I play 800 contracts market or with stop limit to get no slippage execution. But not on one account of course, again he has no idea what I am talking about. Cryptoshitty is so stupid, unbelievable. You have 80 accounts where you copy from of course. Then you do it after your 2.5 k threshold on PA accounts, where you can really go bigger with some minis. That is true cheating on Apex and other props. It cannot be good.
Doubtful at best.
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  • #34,659
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:34am Apr 11, 2024 7:34am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} tradovate default copier..
and if rithmic, quantower has it built right in.
  • #34,660
  • Apr 11, 2024 7:35am Apr 11, 2024 7:35am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Yeah, but I leave a buffer in each account of about 1-2k
ahh ok...... will you have the same approach once you get past your 3rd payout month & cap is removed (if you're not there already)?
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