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  • #32,321
  • Mar 1, 2024 10:58am Mar 1, 2024 10:58am
lets be honest. any serious manual trader does not choose platform. he can use whatever platform as long as buy/sell button works and platform proceses 3-4 trades per day without glitch. in general, comforty platforms is created to nurture gamblers and generate volume on market. of course, in general.
  • #32,322
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:04am Mar 1, 2024 11:04am
Quoting Takisd
One option for charting is just to use TV for your charts and whatever crappy backend platform they offer you. It should work out similar but has an extra step. The server outages, slow execution and weird slippage cant be fixed though.
Better use TV to trade too... It was so bad this morning in Apex Tridovate.. screen froze,, slow on entry and exit.. a terrible experience.. ...
  • #32,323
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:05am Mar 1, 2024 11:05am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Speaking of platforms, I am using Quantower on APEX, copy trading groups. I actually really like this platform.
so much better to directly trade on Tradingview.
  • #32,324
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:07am Mar 1, 2024 11:07am
Quoting Boulder
{quote} Better use TV to trade too... It was so bad this morning in Apex Tridovate.. screen froze,, slow on entry and exit.. a terrible experience.. ...
No issues here on quantower with rithmic.
  • #32,325
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:10am Mar 1, 2024 11:10am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} I will continue to chart on MT4. I have never charted on MT5 anyway. I just need the platform to push buy or sell.
For the most part, I use a copy trader. So I need one good mt5 broker as my master and (hopefully, eventually) I can copy trade to cross-platform slaves w minimal latency. Namely DXTrader and Match Trader.

if glitchy, then I’ll just monitor on mt5 and push buttons on other platforms directly.
A snails pace wins the race :-)
  • #32,326
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:10am Mar 1, 2024 11:10am
Quoting Boulder
{quote} so much better to directly trade on Tradingview.
i dislike trading any 3rd party platform worrying it might not execute or some kind of problem. irrational, yes. as if i manage millions. hahaha.
  • #32,327
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:11am Mar 1, 2024 11:11am
Quoting Boulder
{quote} Better use TV to trade too... It was so bad this morning in Apex Tridovate.. screen froze,, slow on entry and exit.. a terrible experience.. ...
Sometimes the direct route is not available. But I believe there is a way to make it work indirect if that makes sense. Unless of course you are one of the im a scalper types.
  • #32,328
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:23am Mar 1, 2024 11:23am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} Sometimes the direct route is not available. But I believe there is a way to make it work indirect if that makes sense. Unless of course you are one of the im a scalper types.
5 min scalper..
if you sign up tridovate with apex, you can trade on TV
  • #32,329
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:29am Mar 1, 2024 11:29am
Quoting solarpower
I hope FTMO does not risk with MatchTrader offering US clients.
Let's hope they do.

This forum is weird. It's very 'stick it to the man', anti-CFTC, anti-Government, pro freedom of choice / individual responsibility.

Yet, when providers / platforms take just that approach they get attacked, or the ratty people on Twitter who seem to think they're important because they send a few emails to authorities try to cause issues.
  • #32,330
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:30am Mar 1, 2024 11:30am
Quoting solarpower
{quote} i dislike trading any 3rd party platform worrying it might not execute or some kind of problem. irrational, yes. as if i manage millions. hahaha.
no worries if always use fixed SL and TP
  • #32,331
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:30am Mar 1, 2024 11:30am
Quoting Boulder
{quote} 5 min scalper.. if you sign up tridovate with apex, you can trade on TV
Yeh fortunately its available on tradeovate. Best of luck to you make that money.
  • #32,332
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:32am Mar 1, 2024 11:32am
Quoting RiskFighter
{quote} I created my own charts many years ago. About year 2000. I programmed visual charts and buy and sell signals according to the few strategies I was able to program ( was working full hours). Signals were grabbed at the Internet with 20 minutes delay. But compeding with todays charting machines like MT4 - you cannot. However if Metatrader has the ability to communicate using FIX signals that I create, that is exiting.
in general anything can communicate with anything, on one way or another. never have seen something that cant (always a solution possible, even when full blocked).

fix api get updates over time, so only do when you want to stay active and update with time too. or more easy use a broker software and let them do the platform / stay updated to new ways......
  • #32,333
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:35am Mar 1, 2024 11:35am
Quoting PropDude1234
{quote}Let's hope they do. This forum is weird. It's very 'stick it to the man', anti-CFTC, anti-Government, pro freedom of choice / individual responsibility. Yet, when providers / platforms take just that approach they get attacked, or the ratty people on Twitter who seem to think they're important because they send a few emails to authorities try to cause issues.
The opinions are actually quite simple...non-US traders hope their favorite firm DOES NOT ACCEPT USA as they feel this will lead to longer longevity of their firm, while, here in the USA, USA traders are, of course, hoping we can trade. It's as simply as looking what country someone is from.
  • #32,334
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:39am Mar 1, 2024 11:39am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} The opinions are actually quite simple...non-US traders hope their favorite firm DOES NOT ACCEPT USA as they feel this will lead to longer longevity of their firm, while, here in the USA, USA traders are, of course, hoping we can trade. It's as simply as looking what country someone is from.
The reason for returning to US has to be that its legally plausible. Right now its not. We will find out in the coming months whether it ever will be. Others are jumping on the US bandwagon now because they need the revenues.

As much as it pleases the attempted shepherds of this board, futures is the best option for US traders right now until the dust settles.

FTMO would be smart to hold back until getting a permission because if a permission appears then past deeds likely will not go unnoticed. FTMO however are kind of coming under a bit of fire lately as their behavior has changed so perhaps bringing back US will be the only resort for them even considering the current legal cloudiness.
  • #32,335
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:42am Mar 1, 2024 11:42am
Quoting genuine007
Took 4 challenges this year, all lost, 100k phase1 failed 100k phase1 failed 100k phase2 failed 50k phase1 failed now, can't do anything for the next 6 months
Rather than spending your single dime. Participate in competitions. Every firm has a competition going on. Good for practise plus if u do well get a free account.
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #32,336
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:47am Mar 1, 2024 11:47am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Speaking of platforms, I am using Quantower on APEX, copy trading groups. I actually really like this platform.
This was spoken a million times so pardon my weak memory and laziness to search but is Quantower a paid platform ?
  • #32,337
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:48am Mar 1, 2024 11:48am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} FTMO however are kind of coming under a bit of fire lately as their behavior has changed so perhaps bringing back US will be the only resort for them even considering the current legal cloudiness.
Indeed. They're getting railed by all the cheats / abusers doing so via MT4/5, so they've had to introduce gambling rules etc and add it to their T&Cs: https://ftmo.com/en/gambling-is-not-...to-make-money/

MetaTrader was always designed for brokers to screw clients, so it's no surprise to see some clients being able to screw props with it.

I doubt they'll bring US back any time soon.

5%ers seem more 'risk on' and have the back-up of being in Israel (they do have a UK entity too) so likely more resilient.
  • #32,338
  • Mar 1, 2024 11:59am Mar 1, 2024 11:59am
Quoting PropDude1234
{quote}Indeed. They're getting railed by all the cheats / abusers doing so via MT4/5, so they've had to introduce gambling rules etc and add it to their T&Cs: https://ftmo.com/en/gambling-is-not-...to-make-money/ MetaTrader was always designed for brokers to screw clients, so it's no surprise to see some clients being able to screw props with it. I doubt they'll bring US back any time soon. 5%ers seem more 'risk on' and have the back-up of being in Israel (they do have a UK entity too) so likely more resilient.
5ers are likely far more dependent on the US revenues. Risk tolerance, maybe. I mean the owner is from binary options so skirting the law isn't an unusual behavior.

Considering the majority of negatives you state about metatrader are not actually built by metaquotes but for metatrader by third parties what is left to say. I don't agree with you at all about trading platforms but that is not a new discussion and quite frankly I am bored to go into it today. Those same tools will exist regardless of which platform appears because they are from a corporate perspective, necessary. The battle between cheating user and cheating broker will remain. If you give them futures conditions in a retail OTC platform, no one will buy the product because real market conditions are far worse than those brokers provide to retail traders.

Edit: Saw your rats thing again. If you have a problem with him, take it up with him on twitter.
  • #32,339
  • Mar 1, 2024 12:04pm Mar 1, 2024 12:04pm
Quoting Takisd
{quote} 5ers are likely far more dependent on the US revenues. Risk tolerance, maybe. I mean the owner is from binary options so skirting the law isn't an unusual behavior. Considering the majority of negatives you state about metatrader are not actually built by metaquotes but for metatrader by third parties what is left to say. I don't agree with you at all about trading platforms but that is not a new discussion and quite frankly I am bored to go into it today. Those same tools will exist regardless of which platform appears because they are...
Thanks for the reply.

US rev is likely huge for FTMO. Especially as they can't offer in India and some other countries IIRC.

I think the EA / nature of accessing MT makes it far easier to cheat. There's a reason why all the cheating services (regardless and prior to prop) have always been based on MT4/5.

Who owns FTMO? I thought it was the two young guys who are the CEO and CTO.

He can do what he wants on Twitter. I'm not that interested, I just think his Robinhood act is a bit of a sham when he's trying to be a provocative as possible.
  • #32,340
  • Mar 1, 2024 12:07pm Mar 1, 2024 12:07pm
Quoting PropDude1234
MetaTrader was always designed for brokers to screw clients
Quoting PropDude1234
There's a reason why all the cheating services (regardless and prior to prop) have always been based on MT4/5.

Almost all the people you’re talking to, here, genuinely don’t understand that reality.

When you say that, their starting-position for hearing whatever else you have to say is that you’re already wrong, so they’re in rejection-mode, not conversation-mode.

To put it mildly, it makes intelligent discussion with them "difficult".
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