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  • #26,321
  • Nov 16, 2023 12:03pm Nov 16, 2023 12:03pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} i believe doesn’t matter right now all the prop firms are paying … just pull whatever you can get out of it before everything goes to toilet. It reminds of crypto bull run when everybody making money with Shitcoins and i was sitting WHILE thinking exactly like this NO REPUTATION NO UTILITY NO GOOD
I was actually referring to navk's reputation and that he might be a known quantity at other firms but he didn't get that interpretation either..
  • #26,322
  • Nov 16, 2023 12:10pm Nov 16, 2023 12:10pm
Quoting dantpm
{quote} I was actually referring to navk's reputation and that he might be a known quantity at other firms but he didn't get that interpretation either..
my reputation ?
Intraday only.
  • #26,323
  • Nov 16, 2023 12:35pm Nov 16, 2023 12:35pm
Quoting navk
{quote} my reputation ?
It would not surprise me to find out that prop firms know the traders that perform well for other prop firms.
I also suspect that they know who the dead beats are.
Just a hunch.
  • #26,324
  • Nov 16, 2023 1:59pm Nov 16, 2023 1:59pm
I'm surprised to see E8 now offering purple trading MT5. Seems a bit unusual since they currently use there own MT5 license/platform.
  • #26,325
  • Nov 16, 2023 2:05pm Nov 16, 2023 2:05pm
Quoting rizla101
I'm surprised to see E8 now offering purple trading MT5. Seems a bit unusual since they currently use there own MT5 license/platform.
I wonder if most prop firms that have their own inhouse server will move to a regulated / registered broker now to avoid getting shut down by the CFTC, especially if they are US-based like E8. I doubt any are going to register their own inhouse "broker" with the CFTC or hold $20M capital. The court case with MFF upheld CFTC jurisdiction over prop firms sadly. That's a big blow to the industry.
  • #26,326
  • Nov 16, 2023 2:12pm Nov 16, 2023 2:12pm
If anyone is trading with retail eval props anymore make sure you are checking your close orders.

I have been running analysis on multiple props testing what their server settings are and the most common thing is market orders being slipped on close with no displayed request price.
  • #26,327
  • Edited 3:13pm Nov 16, 2023 2:48pm | Edited 3:13pm
if it becomes the case that all u can trade is spot fx, then this model would only work without "consistency rules"; I trade hourly charts. there are only on average 33 fx trades a year on one pair for me as a swing trend trader (about 3,000 pips) , that means varyying my position size and risk per trade; it's very situational. there's no point to trade more than one pair because of usd correlation of every currency unless you scalp; so I can't see any firm surviving that has strict rules. this is why we see props expanding into stocks and commodity futures, although us stocks and Australian stocks are still just Usd correlated so they go up as an inflation hedge. binary options would be good if they offered them on more items and crosses but they don't on Nadex after like 10 years, still no cross pairs, and other commodities like soybean oil etc(all they have are metals, oil and natgas), and weekly expirations(It would be much better to have 2 week or 3 week expirations); that's too short a timeframe, may as well chess hustle, you'll have better odds of making money. So the result of the lack of options are either you trade futures or you trade spot fx with one pair if you trade a personal account if props don't work out. IF they're gonna be ridiculous about risking .5% on a trade versus .2% because its a good trade in your system and let's say you already made 3%, and have a problem with that, then what can you do really other than trade a personal account.
  • #26,328
  • Nov 16, 2023 2:51pm Nov 16, 2023 2:51pm
Quoting Takisd
If anyone is trading with retail eval props anymore make sure you are checking your close orders. I have been running analysis on multiple props testing what their server settings are and the most common thing is market orders being slipped on close with no displayed request price.
i have always got 1 pip slippage on entry and 1 pip on exit.....
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #26,329
  • Nov 16, 2023 2:52pm Nov 16, 2023 2:52pm
Purple trading had the worst spreads on currencies when i used them on BlueGuardian. Only good thing is their gold spread better than others.
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #26,330
  • Nov 16, 2023 3:40pm Nov 16, 2023 3:40pm
Quoting Takisd
If anyone is trading with retail eval props anymore make sure you are checking your close orders. I have been running analysis on multiple props testing what their server settings are and the most common thing is market orders being slipped on close with no displayed request price.
FTMO, 5ers included ?
  • #26,331
  • Nov 16, 2023 5:02pm Nov 16, 2023 5:02pm
Quoting Stoneyrocks
{quote} FTMO, 5ers included ?
Just 5ers, FTMO seems balanced but they have more slippage than they used to now. I have 4 thinkmarkets accounts and exact same trade on all of them and there is a difference in price on my 0.01 order of 2.5 pips execution was same second. Thats just one example. I am reporting it so not going to post the screenshot of the excel here.
  • #26,332
  • Nov 16, 2023 5:58pm Nov 16, 2023 5:58pm
Question for smart people.

Is there some sort of advantage for the prop firms in offering MT5 only like the 5ers and CTI?

Just wondering because I find it hard to believe that their clients are screaming for Meta5 over Meta4
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #26,333
  • Nov 16, 2023 6:57pm Nov 16, 2023 6:57pm
Quoting Expo33
Question for smart people. Is there some sort of advantage for the prop firms in offering MT5 only like the 5ers and CTI? Just wondering because I find it hard to believe that their clients are screaming for Meta5 over Meta4
there are no new servers sold with mt4 from metaquotes, only the old can still be used. so new servers are only possible with mt5.

a maybe possible extra advantage is that a lot of expert advisors (Mt4 programs) are not possible to use until reprogram to MT5 EA. but a half smart person can simple use a mt4 whatever broker/server and copytrade in this mt5.
  • #26,334
  • Nov 16, 2023 10:35pm Nov 16, 2023 10:35pm
Quoting Takisd
expect a flurry of cftc cases now against FX props. That could include FTMO. If I was a US trader, I would be avoiding any new accounts.
Canadians, too?
  • #26,335
  • Nov 17, 2023 12:52am Nov 17, 2023 12:52am
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  • #26,336
  • Nov 17, 2023 1:43am Nov 17, 2023 1:43am
patiently waiting for prop firm black friday deals!
I am what Many Dream to be but only a few can achieve, im a part of the 1%
  • #26,337
  • Nov 17, 2023 2:39am Nov 17, 2023 2:39am
Quoting navk
{quote} my reputation ?
Ya we know how you make your money
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  • #26,338
  • Nov 17, 2023 3:11am Nov 17, 2023 3:11am
Quoting rizla101
I'm surprised to see E8 now offering purple trading MT5. Seems a bit unusual since they currently use there own MT5 license/platform.
I read in twitter that they may be considering relocating to czech republic (Purple was founded there as well).
it's no secret that they have that mention in their site

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We are located in the heart of the USA. We pride ourselves on being one of the first USA based, remote, proprietary trading firms offering funding worldwide. We have offices in Dallas, TX and Prague, theCzech Republic with a trading floor expansion planned globally.
https://help.e8funding.com/en/articl...-is-e8-located
  • #26,339
  • Nov 17, 2023 4:25am Nov 17, 2023 4:25am
Quoting Expo33
Is there some sort of advantage for the prop firms in offering MT5 only like the 5ers and CTI? Just wondering because I find it hard to believe that their clients are screaming for Meta5 over Meta4
-Metaquotes CEO has publicly stated the following (on 2023/06/02):

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MetaTrader 4 has not been sold to brokers for several years and is evolutionarily disappearing from the scene. We can’t force them to refuse. But most likely, we will announce his End of Life this fall, so that it becomes clear to the management that it is unreasonable to sit on a stopped platform that is 18 years old.

When asked what 'End of Life' means, he stated the following:

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End of active support and updates.

Who knows what will really happen, or how this will play out in terms of brokerage offerings etc..

That being said, I can understand offering MT5 over MT4, but if given the choice, to not offer both would only make sense if:

1. The broker being used only offers MT5.


2. With MT4 being phased-out soon, it might help to mitigate PR issues by not having to explain why MT4 has been dropped all of a sudden, as well as allow the firm to avoid having to migrate accounts over to MT5 after the phase-out.


3. Offering MT5-only might be cheaper, depending on how they have things set up. Certainly, it should be easier to maintain and provide support for one platform in lieu of two.


Maybe there are more reasons, but I can only speculate about these things.

Personally, I prefer MT5, although MT4 is clearly the champion in terms of indicator/EA offerings and support etc.. MT5 allows firms to offer more tradable assets, but I suspect that most brokers/firms understand that by not offering MT4, they risk losing market share to their competitors.
  • #26,340
  • Nov 17, 2023 5:10am Nov 17, 2023 5:10am
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Ok, so regarding Apex - obviously playing games like all of them.

With first funded all was ok, now the second one I paid more then 48 hours ago, but no account number so I cannot trade....and the re-charge is of course on 15th- go figure.
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