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  • #22,821
  • Sep 25, 2023 11:05am Sep 25, 2023 11:05am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} oh, you can get a 30% ROI playing online poker. Just need to play a ton of volume. I used to 8-12 table at a time.
I've steered away in the past to not get side tracked however I'm fancying another rabbit hole to go down.. need to get my head around it
  • #22,822
  • Sep 25, 2023 11:08am Sep 25, 2023 11:08am
I've been postponing this message for a while this but to me Top Tier is also a scam

I passed a 2 step challenge and was denied a funded account for the first time (at least I have not wasted time in funded account to have a payment denied later on).

Initially they send me a congratulations email and then they sent me an email saying I had used prohibited strategies that are in this page:
https://help.toptiertrader.com/en/ar...g-restrictions
And they also said I violated T&C (the section of account sharing).

I asked them (twice) by email what were the prohibited strategies I used and which IPs acceded to my account and never got an answer.

The funny thing is that I traded exactly the same way than in my other accounts (and I have accounts in about 10 firms or close to that).

My trading style is manually (I'm an old-fashioned guy and I have no ideia how to use scripts or EAs or those things).

I trade once or twice a day, usually one or two positions. And most of the times less than 5 lots (only forex, I don't trade indexes and metals in props). And my trades take hours, if not days.

I don't trade news and I didn't get a TP or SL in news time (I checked that), neither any limit order.

I only trade from desktop and, once in a while, from laptop. I never traded in mobile (although I have that there for a power failures). I'm the only one using these computers and my IP is mostly home. I doubt they have more than 2 or 3 IPs registered during that challenge period. Depends if I went to my parents and traded there with laptop, I can't remember. Anyway, nobody could have accessed my account.

And obviously I used no services for signals or such. I only trust myself for trading.

So this eliminates pretty much all what is in the list.

They refunded the challenge but this don't make them better off.

I must say that this was not a complete surprise. Cue Banks is very famous and not for the best reasons. I just wanted to test them because once in a while I add some shady prop to my list to see if I can take anything from them. This one only validated Top Tier and Cue Bank fame.

It's truly a pity I could not take the trading history. In the middle of the challenges they had troubles with their MT4 server and moved everyone to TradeLocker, some trading web app. That's where I completed the challenge. But as soon as I was denied the funded account the access to that was revoked (how convenient, right ?).

Anyway, for sure that someone reading this will say that if they refused me an account they had reasons for that. That's the usual reaction of the sheep that are also blaming MFF.
  • #22,823
  • Sep 25, 2023 11:13am Sep 25, 2023 11:13am
Quoting Capablanca
I've been postponing this message for a while this but to me Top Tier is also a scam I passed a 2 step challenge and was denied a funded account for the first time (at least I have not wasted time in funded account to have a payment denied later on). Initially they send me a congratulations email and then they sent me an email saying I had used prohibited strategies that are in this page: https://help.toptiertrader.com/en/ar...g-restrictions And they also said I violated T&C (the section of account sharing). I asked...
Sorry it happened to you. But cue banks = scam.
  • #22,824
  • Sep 25, 2023 11:15am Sep 25, 2023 11:15am
Quoting Boulder
{quote} they are shutting down crypto payments too. I just got this message from Nova. US regulators are making this prop business all shut down soon if they can’t pay out {image}
crypto payment is back to normal by Coinbase..
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  • #22,825
  • Sep 25, 2023 11:21am Sep 25, 2023 11:21am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} Sorry it happened to you. But cue banks = scam.
I knew, I knew...
I have always a small amount for high risk stuff and just wanted to see if I could make anything from them. The kid from Funded Next is also a very shady one but I was able to milk them reasonably.
Anyway, they returned the fee and saved my time. Would have been way worse to have a denied payout.
  • #22,826
  • Sep 25, 2023 11:32am Sep 25, 2023 11:32am
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} 30% ROI per month on Poker ? How much you need to play every day ? How long did it take to learn this ? Just curious to know something here.
I used to play $20 entry one table tourneys, 50 per night, $1000 in buy-ins, make about $300 per night. Playing 8-12 at at ime, about 4-5 hours of work.
However, they banned all of the big sites from the USA (imagine that). The smaller sites do not have the traffic to accomplish this.
Plus, due to the barrier of entry, way less bad players these days.
Now, it is way more recreational for me.
  • #22,827
  • Sep 25, 2023 12:00pm Sep 25, 2023 12:00pm
Good news, though, while you're not getting paid........
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We're gonna play some Call Of Duty. If I didn't know better, I would think it's some kind of comedy skit.
The CEO is out sailing, the traders are playing COD and nobody is getting paid. You cannot make this shit up.
  • #22,828
  • Sep 25, 2023 12:49pm Sep 25, 2023 12:49pm
Quoting pipmaster77
Good news, though, while you're not getting paid........{image} We're gonna play some Call Of Duty. If I didn't know better, I would think it's some kind of comedy skit. The CEO is out sailing, the traders are playing COD and nobody is getting paid. You cannot make this shit up.
...playing Poker I could understand to some extent. But playing a stupid childish game as competition ??? This is to attract more gamblers for the sake of more loosers in the pot. So dirty and bad. This is very childish...I did not play such games from when I was twelve years old. As a grown up one must be a true gambler and addicted to.
  • #22,829
  • Sep 25, 2023 12:53pm Sep 25, 2023 12:53pm
Quoting pipmaster77
Good news, though, while you're not getting paid........{image} We're gonna play some Call Of Duty. If I didn't know better, I would think it's some kind of comedy skit. The CEO is out sailing, the traders are playing COD and nobody is getting paid. You cannot make this shit up.
This is predatory marketing. Its essentially luring game players to financial markets. CFTC will love to add that to the pile
  • #22,830
  • Sep 25, 2023 1:22pm Sep 25, 2023 1:22pm
Quoting sexypips
Has Consummate Traders eloped?
. Probably the end result of a lot of these firms in a few years---->
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  • #22,831
  • Sep 25, 2023 2:17pm Sep 25, 2023 2:17pm
Quoting Capablanca
I've been postponing this message for a while this but to me Top Tier is also a scam I passed a 2 step challenge and was denied a funded account for the first time (at least I have not wasted time in funded account to have a payment denied later on). Initially they send me a congratulations email and then they sent me an email saying I had used prohibited strategies that are in this page: https://help.toptiertrader.com/en/ar...g-restrictions And they also said I violated T&C (the section of account sharing). I asked...
Sorry to hear this happened to you - how frustrating... With my Top Tier Trader account I also got caught up in the whole move to Trade Locker. I had no interest in using that though so I requested them to move me to Osprey (which they did and they also kept the bonus amount in the migrated account). I've been trading my funded account for a week now and so wait with bated breath to see if they accept my payout request in a few weeks time...
Your worst drawdown is yet to come
  • #22,832
  • Sep 25, 2023 2:58pm Sep 25, 2023 2:58pm
This is the typical payout claim on trustpilot, which turns out to be, that the trader cheated. Typical they were caught in using a HFT EA to make kind of guaranteed gains by exploting the datafeed from the broker. You cannot do that nowhere. If any prop firm does allow this you will not get a payout very probably. Just said.



hope this is a mistake from BFP
I am awaiting my payout request since friday..no actrivity on my account at all today
Suddenly I receive an email for a hard breach!
I dont use EA's I trade manually..I trade normally..nothing malicious at all
Ive received 2 payouts from them..this shouldve been the third..
Also the live chat disappeared from their website on my laptop...

I almost wish I was lying as I in shock now! Is it because Im starting to get profitable? Why have you guys harbreached me? No explanation is given..The account isnt even open today!?

Please..this is what I do and earn this way..I need it

What is going on??

I trust you guys....

Date of experience: September 25, 2023


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Reply from Bespokefundingprogram
An hour ago

Hi,

After careful review of your trading account our risk team noticed your account had over 1200+ trades within just 3 days, the trades were held for a few seconds each and unfortunately you may of been mis-sold a malicious EA.

We urge you to request a refund from the people you purchased it off as there will be no legit prop firm that allow these EA's.

Wishing you all the success in your trading journey.

Kind regards.
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The real sad thing here that they are not honest in their reviews and make them look bad on trustpilot. They should pay for bad mouthing and harming the reputation of Bespoke. It is clearly said that you cannot do HFT or Tick Scalping. But many are tempted to do so and then the write their claim like " I had no idea why my payout got denied....". That is too bad. Bespoke is fine, my opinion.
  • #22,833
  • Sep 25, 2023 3:05pm Sep 25, 2023 3:05pm
Such is the hand wringing and tear shedding here, why not trade Micro Futures with initial Day margins of $50 ( Start with a $1000 account maybe)?
AMP Futures; Tradovate etc
outside USA TradeStation International could be considered etc
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #22,834
  • Sep 25, 2023 3:06pm Sep 25, 2023 3:06pm
Another very stupid claim and 1 star review on trustpilot for Bespoke. I just cannot laugh about it as I feel bad for the prop firm, because it could be probably harmful for them, which is I think intended from those people. They want to look that they have legit payouts and get them denied by Bespoke, when in reality they cheated like hell and say no word about this what they have done on their funded account. So bad. Here the guy is suspecting Bespoke they do not do bigger payouts.

ka Kin Ho1 review
HK

12 hours ago
This propfirm isnt the perfect choice
This propfirm isnt the perfect choice , they are okay if you payout is 3 or 4 digital, but when you earning too much , they will say you breach the rule , HFT EA , keep bull shXt and kick you out to Discord and TG

Date of experience: September 16, 2023


Reply from Bespokefundingprogram
An hour ago

Hi,

Sorry that you feel we are not the perfect choice.

There are many firms out there that allow HFT & arbitrage EA's, I recommend you trade with those firms as Bespoke does not allow them and this is stated on our FAQs."
  • #22,835
  • Sep 25, 2023 3:09pm Sep 25, 2023 3:09pm
Quoting turnip15
Such is the hand wringing and tear shedding here, why not trade Micro Futures with initial Day margins of $50 ( Start with a $1000 account maybe)? AMP Futures; Tradovate etc outside USA TradeStation International could be considered etc
Because you can loose 100% of your deposit on a personal account. You cannot loose that much on a funded account where you get high value of your invested challenge fee. Big difference. On a 200k account your risk is like 1k. If you traded the same on personal you risk would be equivalent = 20k. So 1k loss on prop firm versus 20k loss on personal account (for that 200k account from prop with 10% max. DD as example here). Which loss would you prefer ?
  • #22,836
  • Sep 25, 2023 3:26pm Sep 25, 2023 3:26pm
bespoke is caught multiple times cheating customers as well. Legit ones.
  • #22,837
  • Sep 25, 2023 3:31pm Sep 25, 2023 3:31pm
Quoting Takisd
bespoke is caught multiple times cheating customers as well. Legit ones.
did you see this?
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  • #22,838
  • Sep 25, 2023 3:44pm Sep 25, 2023 3:44pm
Quoting Takisd
bespoke is caught multiple times cheating customers as well. Legit ones.
I do not think so. Any proofs you have ? And do not talk about Vittore his case. He got his challenge fee back and had no pending payout too.
Otherwise you are only again just bad mouthing.
  • #22,839
  • Sep 25, 2023 3:46pm Sep 25, 2023 3:46pm
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} I do not think so. Any proofs you have ? And do not talk about Vittore his case. He got his challenge fee back and had no pending payout too. Otherwise you are only again just bad mouthing.
How about like 500 pakistani people? Because their middle man screwed them over. Lets start there...
  • #22,840
  • Sep 25, 2023 3:47pm Sep 25, 2023 3:47pm
Quoting Boulder
{quote} did you see this? {image}
Yes its fairly funny.
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