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  • #22,041
  • Sep 18, 2023 11:26am Sep 18, 2023 11:26am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} try Optiver and propex, let us know how it goes

I went to Optivers open days in the past but did not apply for a job What a mistake probably
  • #22,042
  • Sep 18, 2023 11:33am Sep 18, 2023 11:33am
Quoting Takisd
My guess will be the misleading marketing element is where it sticks.
"We win when you win" or "trade a real account"..... it's difficult to lie more than this.
For a normal judge/jury citizen, out of our "bubble", they would get a great opinion from MFF.
  • #22,043
  • Sep 18, 2023 11:55am Sep 18, 2023 11:55am
Quoting Fagin
{quote} I can see simulated indices going to vaporise.. anything basically threatening the futures market and "futures liquidity donors"?
I can deal with that if it happens. As long as I still have the opportunity as a US citizen to buy challenges in non-US firms to become funded and work towards building my personal account as many of you already have done. I'm fine if I'm 'stuck' trading GU.
  • #22,044
  • Sep 18, 2023 11:58am Sep 18, 2023 11:58am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Sure. Do you have your series 7? Do you have a track record? How far are you willing to commute?
I was funded with Audacity Capital ftmo and e8, I got the payouts with them till last year. I am Muslim and want to trade witj real funds, and I asked 3 Companies and they claimed we provide real funds. Audacity, trueforexfunds and unionwealthsmanagement.
  • #22,045
  • Sep 18, 2023 12:13pm Sep 18, 2023 12:13pm
Dylan (e8): (they were with some delay in payouts, for what I read in Telegram)

Dear Traders,
We sincerely appreciate your unwavering support during these transitional times.
I'm thrilled to announce that E8funding.com is now fully verified with our new payment partner. All previous, uncompleted deals have been successfully transferred to our new payment partner, and all current payout contracts have been uploaded. Furthermore, all pending contracts will be settled and paid by the end of the day, and we anticipate no delays moving forward. In fact, you can look forward to even faster payouts from now on as we have bolstered our internal processes during this disruption.
Thank you for your continued trust in E8funding.com
  • #22,046
  • Sep 18, 2023 12:38pm Sep 18, 2023 12:38pm
Do they all have in their terms and conditions that they do not need to pay whatever it comes and they can deny ANY payout ? I mean why are there no claims on court when some traders traded legally and have not breached their terms, or even tried to get their right and money back with payouts included if that is substantial ? I am not aware of such claims, maybe they needed to sign a confidential clause or something, but why is there nothing public as I do not know anything here ? Not for 2k or 5k I guess it is worth the effort, but for bigger amounts noone tried to claim, really ? why ? Even they had something in their terms that there is no payout the judge on court can see the whole thing totally different and then the prop needs to pay all and give back the funded account too or ? Your opinions on that ? This looks too strange for me that there are no claims on court when so many payouts even big ones are denied from shady prop firms. When they go bankrupt that is another topic, but as long as they are doing business such claims should be part of their business too or what do you think here ? It is suspicious that there are no such claims or I am wrong and there have been claims on court ? I do not know personally any business where the owner can do what he wants and take the customers money and can just go away with that all the time. There must be claims on court here I guess. From all the prop firms and so many denied bigger payouts...that all are just silent....hmm
  • #22,047
  • Sep 18, 2023 12:47pm Sep 18, 2023 12:47pm
Quoting ForexGalVA
{quote} I can deal with that if it happens. As long as I still have the opportunity as a US citizen to buy challenges in non-US firms to become funded and work towards building my personal account as many of you already have done. I'm fine if I'm 'stuck' trading GU.
The price is forming bullish scenario this week.
Intraday only.
  • #22,048
  • Sep 18, 2023 12:51pm Sep 18, 2023 12:51pm
I mean on Fundingtalent I could not claim my 40k profits because they went bust so I had no chance, but there are many prop firms out there, which are still in business denying big payouts for no reason. And not every prop firm is disappearing (at once) when big payouts are denied for no reason. What i see there are complaints on the legal authorities like CFTC and in Canada ones (at least) if not also in other jurisdictions. But that alone would be not enough if someone is missing for example $200k from TFT because of a denied interview ??? No claim here ? Why not ? I mean that Angelo is telling us he had the right to deny a 200k payout because the trader did not want to have his interview, there is no such term in the agreement. That a trader is forced to be public. A judge on court would see it similar I guess.
  • #22,049
  • Sep 18, 2023 12:54pm Sep 18, 2023 12:54pm
I have written this before here. I will write it again.

There is a reason only MFF had consistently high payouts every week over 10k. And that same reason is the reason they were number 1.

Its very unfortunate the situation that the prop market finds itself in but it is what it is.
  • #22,050
  • Sep 18, 2023 1:10pm Sep 18, 2023 1:10pm
Anyone interested in the US system, this is a must read:

Flash Crash: A Trading Savant, a Global Manhunt, and the Most Mysterious Market Crash in History

Author
Liam Vaughan
  • #22,051
  • Sep 18, 2023 1:23pm Sep 18, 2023 1:23pm
Quoting Takisd
{quote} try Optiver and propex, let us know how it goes
This one cracked me up!
  • #22,052
  • Sep 18, 2023 1:24pm Sep 18, 2023 1:24pm
I just ready about this on the FF homepage, has anyone checked them out yet, it looks interesting.

I remember PF was trading with Axi, but this looks like a new program they have launched.

https://www.axi.com/int/funded-trader-programme
Truth is like poetry. And most people f*cking hate poetry.
  • #22,053
  • Sep 18, 2023 1:24pm Sep 18, 2023 1:24pm
Quoting Takisd
I have written this before here. I will write it again. There is a reason only MFF had consistently high payouts every week over 10k. And that same reason is the reason they were number 1. Its very unfortunate the situation that the prop market finds itself in but it is what it is.
How about FTMO do you know something about them?
I m Just in a 14 day test and I dont know if its worth to buy a challenge when I finnisch the test
  • #22,054
  • Sep 18, 2023 1:25pm Sep 18, 2023 1:25pm
Quoting Fagin
Anyone interested in the US system, this is a must read: Flash Crash: A Trading Savant, a Global Manhunt, and the Most Mysterious Market Crash in History Author Liam Vaughan
It is a great read. Still murky if he actually did what they accused him of. It’s a classic story of “beating the system”. He got tired of the serial spoofing by larger institutions, so he built a better spoofing algo. He tried alerting the authorities of the blatant manipulation, but he was just a little guy.

They decided to make him the scapegoat and the spoofing by larger institutions continue to this very day.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #22,055
  • Sep 18, 2023 1:26pm Sep 18, 2023 1:26pm
Quoting TrAndy1
Do they all have in their terms and conditions that they do not need to pay whatever it comes and they can deny ANY payout ? I mean why are there no claims on court when some traders traded legally and have not breached their terms, or even tried to get their right and money back with payouts included if that is substantial ? I am not aware of such claims, maybe they needed to sign a confidential clause or something, but why is there nothing public as I do not know anything here ? Not for 2k or 5k I guess it is worth the effort, but for bigger amounts...
Even for denied payouts of 25K or so it's not so easy for people from other countries to find a lawyer somewhere and deal with all the stuff, probably with certified documents, apostilles, certified translations, etc., not to speak about having to travel or going through the hassle of organizing a videoconference through official channels, etc.

I have a theory (not proven) that the prop use to deny payouts to traders out of their own country for this reason.
  • #22,056
  • Sep 18, 2023 1:27pm Sep 18, 2023 1:27pm
Quoting Takisd
I have written this before here. I will write it again. There is a reason only MFF had consistently high payouts every week over 10k. And that same reason is the reason they were number 1. Its very unfortunate the situation that the prop market finds itself in but it is what it is.
And, you can say that again..
  • #22,057
  • Sep 18, 2023 1:32pm Sep 18, 2023 1:32pm
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} Even for denied payouts of 25K or so it's not so easy for people from other countries to find a lawyer somewhere and deal with all the stuff, probably with certified documents, apostilles, certified translations, etc., not to speak about having to travel or going through the hassle of organizing a videoconference through official channels, etc. I have a theory (not proven) that the prop use to deny payouts to traders out of their own country for this reason.
Still waiting for my payout, just making thoughts...
  • #22,058
  • Sep 18, 2023 1:41pm Sep 18, 2023 1:41pm
Quoting MJurban
{quote} How about FTMO do you know something about them? I m Just in a 14 day test and I dont know if its worth to buy a challenge when I finnisch the test
FTMO have this thing where if they deny you, they send you a legal notice not to publicly do anything for threat of law suit. They have the whole risk management rules etc.

That being said FTMO are good..
  • #22,059
  • Sep 18, 2023 1:43pm Sep 18, 2023 1:43pm
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} Even for denied payouts of 25K or so it's not so easy for people from other countries to find a lawyer somewhere and deal with all the stuff, probably with certified documents, apostilles, certified translations, etc., not to speak about having to travel or going through the hassle of organizing a videoconference through official channels, etc. I have a theory (not proven) that the prop use to deny payouts to traders out of their own country for this reason.
You only need to do a proper google search to find the right lawyer and other things. I cannot believe that there has not been a single trader claiming on court or ?
  • #22,060
  • Sep 18, 2023 1:48pm Sep 18, 2023 1:48pm
I knew it would too good to be true to earn a living by trading in the US. in a short while nothing will exist and it will be back to the slow grind to nowhere at a 9 to 5 for most people in this vast parking lot country. there's no point to try to do anything until next year when things might be clearer but the events of this year have already convinced me, you're doomed if u live in the US, and not somewhere else. might as well twiddle my thumbs the rest of the year and watch movies and play video games.
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