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  • #4,181
  • Edited 4:40pm Nov 17, 2022 4:07pm | Edited 4:40pm
A quick morning reflection.

Any market reaction "AFTER" a point is of more interest to me than a reaction right at the point, if you know what I mean.


Good hunting again on a fearless friday

(edit: by fearless I mean No red news )


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  • #4,182
  • Nov 18, 2022 6:11pm Nov 18, 2022 6:11pm
24 hours later, why not.


Folks I'm not posting these charts so anyone can look at them and say 'oh that's how I can trade well next day'.
Not the purpose.

I essentially do all these for myself (offline) so I can look back at them later and THINK about the markets & their behaviours.


Are markets we trade auctions and, or is there some coordinations behind the moves (NOT manipulation, just coordinations, there's a difference)

And if there are coordinations, then at what point on a chart could we be taking profit, or
at what point on a chart might we be caught in a losing trade. That's all their purpose is, to me.

No use imho looking at the charts and thinking 'NOW I can win'.
But maybe we could think where AND when we might do our best trades, OR our worst.

Anyway I do them for me really, this chart I called "Hurts My Head",
But maybe someone will see something in the midst of them, that might ring a bell or set up a thought, now or later.

All the best for a top weekend
Pete

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  • #4,183
  • Nov 18, 2022 11:15pm Nov 18, 2022 11:15pm
Quoting TimeTells
24 hours later, why not. Folks I'm not posting these charts so anyone can look at them and say 'oh that's how I can trade well next day'. Not the purpose. I essentially do all these for myself (offline) so I can look back at them later and THINK about the markets & their behaviours. Are markets we trade auctions and, or is there some coordinations behind the moves (NOT manipulation, just coordinations, there's a difference) And if there are coordinations, then at what point on a chart could we be taking profit, or at what point on a chart might...
Hi Pete

How i would note it here on an H4 chart below, notice how candle 3 raids 2 before moving higher to raid 1 high and reverse from a prev FVG low, and again candle 5 raids all of the rest tap into the FVG mid level wiping out all day longs to go higher further. easier to see once it is done

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In Summary, Price does these three things:
1. takes out prev. high/lows
- candle 3 raids 2 and 1
2. fills a fvg
- candle 5 fills half of the fvg on sell side while raids rest of the candle lows, and move higher
3. expands in the direction it should go.

have a great week end
best regards
bilal
"Exchange of hands"
  • #4,184
  • Nov 18, 2022 11:48pm Nov 18, 2022 11:48pm
Thought to add M1 chart as well:

candle 3 on M1 - when it raids candle 2 which is asia low as well
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candle 5 on M1
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"Exchange of hands"
  • #4,185
  • Nov 19, 2022 5:13am Nov 19, 2022 5:13am
This chart any better ?


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It never gets easier, you just get better
  • #4,186
  • Nov 19, 2022 6:12am Nov 19, 2022 6:12am
Terrific work on the charts shabs & bilal

In essence, a very tradeable week on the GJ, within its own boundary controls, on many timeframes, 15m, 4hr, 1m - and 1hr.

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  • #4,187
  • Nov 19, 2022 7:19am Nov 19, 2022 7:19am
Quoting TimeTells
Terrific work on the charts shabs & bilal In essence, a very tradeable week on the GJ, within its own boundary controls, on many timeframes, 15m, 4hr, 1m - and 1hr. . {image}
Now we have some new lingo to work with.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #4,188
  • Nov 19, 2022 7:37am Nov 19, 2022 7:37am
Answer isn't on charts. IMHO
  • #4,189
  • Nov 19, 2022 7:44am Nov 19, 2022 7:44am
Quoting Ihlas
Answer isn't on charts. IMHO
The answer is the individual and how they approach the situation.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #4,190
  • Edited 8:33am Nov 19, 2022 8:10am | Edited 8:33am
Quoting spzd
{quote} The answer is the individual and how they approach the situation.
You think it's subjective. I will send you to see PeterCaleb . Objective thinking
Even quantified method should be understood why it works like this; from real world
Even our statistics that we use Just IMHO
Trading is not personal, it's just business
  • #4,191
  • Nov 19, 2022 9:50am Nov 19, 2022 9:50am
Quoting Ihlas
{quote} You think it's subjective. I will send you to see PeterCaleb . Objective thinking Even quantified method should be understood why it works like this; from real world Even our statistics that we use Just IMHO Trading is not personal, it's just business
Trading is personal and it is a business. If it was quantifiable then a "profitable" system could be given to every one and no one would have to make the effort to study and practice and to learn to cope with personal psychology ( you versus you). Sorry but there is no quantifiable system for everyone because the result for a system will vary from individual to individual. Richard Dennis "Turtle Trader" showed that giving a system to several traders resulted in several different results, including failures.
They say Turtle trading doesn't work now but that is the point -it is up to you to manage your approach by watching the market and what others do. But don't expect a quantified system to appear on a plate for you. to take away with no effort required on your behalf - sadly, that is why many threads on FF and a great many wannabe traders drift from thread to thread looking for the holy grail. If such a grail existed with ABC instruction and everyone had the same psychological make up, then the market would collapse.
I could ramble on but such ramblings will continue , as they have done for many, to be ignored by those who instantly go deaf when people suggest that trading is a personal journey involving knowing oneself, studying and adapting content from others and practice, practice , practice. Don't ask for proof since no one here is selling anything. And proof what someone else does will not make you a trader. Get your hands dirty cos only you make you a trader.
Wannabe traders often forget this and wander from thread to thread, like The Flying Dutchman ghost ship; doomed to wander the seas of ForexFactory for eternity, on a fruitless task for a no effort required, high win rate, trading strategy.
Not you versus the market but you versus you is the biggest stumbling block for any trader whatever their experience.
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  • #4,192
  • Nov 19, 2022 9:58am Nov 19, 2022 9:58am
Quoting Shabs19
This chart any better ? {image}
Can that layout/overlap be done on Tradeview charts?
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #4,193
  • Edited 10:24am Nov 19, 2022 10:11am | Edited 10:24am
Quoting turnip15
{quote} Can that layout/overlap be done on Tradeview charts?
I have no experience with Tradeview Charts. Do they have a members / coders forum where you could ask for a higher timeframe overlay indicator ?

I have for MT4 which you could plot any timeframe of your choosing, even ones that are not available in MT4.

Edit:

Quick Search: https://www.tradingview.com/script/m...ndles-display/

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  • #4,194
  • Nov 19, 2022 10:12am Nov 19, 2022 10:12am
Quoting turnip15
{quote} Trading is personal and it is a business. If it was quantifiable then a "profitable" system could be given to every one and no one would have to make the effort to study and practice and to learn to cope with personal psychology ( you versus you). Sorry but there is no quantifiable system for everyone because the result for a system will vary from individual to individual. Richard Dennis "Turtle Trader" showed that giving a system to several traders resulted in several different results, including failures. They say Turtle trading doesn't...
Brilliant post Turnip

Spot on ...bang on.. this post should be a sticky/pinned post for the entire forum !!

Cheers
Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #4,195
  • Nov 19, 2022 10:15am Nov 19, 2022 10:15am
Quoting turnip15
{quote} Trading is personal and it is a business. If it was quantifiable then a "profitable" system could be given to every one and no one would have to make the effort to study and practice and to learn to cope with personal psychology ( you versus you). Sorry but there is no quantifiable system for everyone because the result for a system will vary from individual to individual. Richard Dennis "Turtle Trader" showed that giving a system to several traders resulted in several different results, including failures. They say Turtle trading doesn't...
Whoa. Who knew you could wax so poetic. Excellent post.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #4,196
  • Nov 19, 2022 10:22am Nov 19, 2022 10:22am
Quoting spzd
{quote} Whoa. Who knew you could wax so poetic. Excellent post.
" I am a poet, and I didn't even Know it "

It never gets easier, you just get better
  • #4,197
  • Edited 11:11am Nov 19, 2022 10:23am | Edited 11:11am
Quoting turnip15
{quote} Trading is personal and it is a business. If it was quantifiable then a "profitable" system could be given to every one and no one would have to make the effort to study and practice and to learn to cope with personal psychology ( you versus you). Sorry but there is no quantifiable system for everyone because the result for a system will vary from individual to individual. Richard Dennis "Turtle Trader" showed that giving a system to several traders resulted in several different results, including failures. They say Turtle trading doesn't...
Another view. Not wrong and not right for me
No practice will help, if you practise wrong thing
Maybe Turtle Traders didn't know why it worked at that time; that's the point
  • #4,198
  • Nov 19, 2022 12:33pm Nov 19, 2022 12:33pm
Quoting Ihlas
{quote} Another view. Not wrong and not right for me No practice will help, if you practise wrong thing Maybe Turtle Traders didn't know why it worked at that time; that's the point
Good luck with your search
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #4,199
  • Nov 19, 2022 12:35pm Nov 19, 2022 12:35pm
Quoting spzd
{quote} Whoa. Who knew you could wax so poetic. Excellent post.
It will still fall on deaf ears as already evidenced.
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #4,200
  • Nov 19, 2022 12:40pm Nov 19, 2022 12:40pm
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} Brilliant post Turnip Spot on ...bang on.. this post should be a sticky/pinned post for the entire forum !! Cheers Blue
Totally lost on Ihlas but never mind. Others wil benefit so not all is lost.
Lots of good info in this thread and on Marks and a very few others - just need the active participation of people to study, extract,adjust it to your personality and practice and review,adjust, practice, review etc
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