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  • #3,521
  • Sep 24, 2022 10:00pm Sep 24, 2022 10:00pm
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} BW I'm oh so interested but why mention it if you are not prepared to go into it? I gave you the benefit of doubt. Not all use candle patterns. Candle sticks perhaps. I've learned your blindness writings which are good. I understand Blue's point. You should answer that point - what lines are accepted to be a real trader? Are they vertical, horizontal, diagonal, demarcation etc...? Genuinely curious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuVQ...q3udEd&index=4
Chris Lori is a smart guy..Uses lines tho...Bit of a sticky point for some.....
I had the fortune of attending a live seminar he put on in Downtown Vancouver back in mmm 2006ish or so,,,,Always loosely followed him at least watching what he says and teaches without judgement (mostly lol )

Thanks for posting vid...Also for those who dont know Chris was an olympic bobsledder for many years... He knows what high performance is...An elite athlete who understands its you vs you...just the same as it is in trading Thats a hint for you BW..

Cheers
Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #3,522
  • Sep 24, 2022 10:02pm Sep 24, 2022 10:02pm
Quoting bluesteele
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Anyways theres a few charts...I wonder if anyone made money..REAL $$ from these charts with lines.. Has anyone made real $$ from lines ?
Or are they ALL LIARS BW ?

BTW TradeNavigator awesome software it used to be a Favorite of Larry Williams not sure these days.. He had some pretty slick setups developed on
TN based on days of the week and month and confluenced with his indis..... A real trader IMO...known to use lines and patterns tho so maybe hes a Liar

Anyhoo BW not sure if you want to play along with SPOT THE LIAR.

Let me know
Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #3,523
  • Sep 24, 2022 10:40pm Sep 24, 2022 10:40pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi FWR, you ask and I shall answer. I go straight to the issue about lines. And I have explained at length numerous posts about demarcation, high/low, and semi cycles that oscillate around demarcation. I also told that there are long term, medium term and short term cycles. I also mentioned that the former locations are already marked on our chart for every Forex pair, metal, oil, indices, commodities, stocks and every crypto coin. The definition is universal for all timeframes. The traditional technical analysis of support resistance is...
Hi BW
WOWSERS... Now that is a bunch of gobbly goop if I dont say so myself,,, Very helpful to most traders I would say

Now lets get to the point BW.... My accusations ?? huh ?

What you wrote is this "line traders lying and not real traders....This is the FACTUAL point..."


Can you please answer that question ? Am I accusing you of something BW ?

And BTW No need to apologize to RyuRyu as these are your words Hence "This is the factual point.."

Is it your EGO that you cant admit that you are wrong ? Or is it your BLINDNESS ?

Why cant you just answer in simple terms what lines you are referring too ?

You know I wont let this go until you answer me as I really dislike LIARS...

So what will it be Crickets or Enlighten us all..... You would like to tell but you cant ahhh of course that old "line" pun intended lol

Waiting.....
Blue

Remember these are your words BW...Your not slithering your way out of them.. Own up to your words and tell us all what line traders are liars
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #3,524
  • Sep 24, 2022 10:48pm Sep 24, 2022 10:48pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi FWR, you ask and I shall answer. I go straight to the issue about lines. And I have explained at length numerous posts about demarcation, high/low, and semi cycles that oscillate around demarcation. I also told that there are long term, medium term and short term cycles. I also mentioned that the former locations are already marked on our chart for every Forex pair, metal, oil, indices, commodities, stocks and every crypto coin. The definition is universal for all timeframes. The traditional technical analysis of support resistance is...

Hi BW just another Point...How many times have you left FF...Have you said THATS IT BYE NEVER POSTING AGAIN.... It seems to be a habit with you.
You know in sales thats a tactic...the takeaway.. Doesnt work with me..Your either a person of your word or your not. Full Stop PERIOD.

So please spare us the DRAMA of this is my last post BLAH BLAH BLAH... We have all heard that half a dozen times this year alone.
Perhaps then we cant really rely on your words? As you dont really mean what you say or say what you mean .... hmmm

BTW did you see all those charts... Are they ALL LIARS using Lines and Patterns and such ...

Waiting
Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #3,525
  • Sep 24, 2022 11:00pm Sep 24, 2022 11:00pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi FWR, you ask and I shall answer. I go straight to the issue about lines. And I have explained at length numerous posts about demarcation, high/low, and semi cycles that oscillate around demarcation. I also told that there are long term, medium term and short term cycles. I also mentioned that the former locations are already marked on our chart for every Forex pair, metal, oil, indices, commodities, stocks and every crypto coin. The definition is universal for all timeframes. The traditional technical analysis of support resistance is...

NO NO NO BW Cmon pal your Flip Flopping and dancing around FWRs question like a fish out of water....

What he asked is ...."I understand Blue's point. You should answer that point - what lines are accepted to be a real trader? Are they vertical, horizontal, diagonal, demarcation etc...? Genuinely curious."

Lets as you say have an Open and Honest Discussion....

Can you answer FWR in a simple straight fwd answer ..or is it a secret that you cant discuss ?

Waiting.....

Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #3,526
  • Sep 25, 2022 12:21am Sep 25, 2022 12:21am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi FWR, you ask and I shall answer. I go straight to the issue about lines. And I have explained at length numerous posts about demarcation, high/low, and semi cycles that oscillate around demarcation. I also told that there are long term, medium term and short term cycles. I also mentioned that the former locations are already marked on our chart for every Forex pair, metal, oil, indices, commodities, stocks and every crypto coin. The definition is universal for all timeframes. The traditional technical analysis of support resistance is...
BW,


1. Are you referring to the value described by one member (talking about orderflow) that was banned sometime ago?

2. Is this how you calculate the "math"?

Yes or no?

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  • #3,527
  • Sep 25, 2022 1:36am Sep 25, 2022 1:36am
Quoting FulMargnAlch
{quote} BW, 1. Are you referring to the value described by one member (talking about orderflow) that was banned sometime ago? 2. Is this how you calculate the "math"? Yes or no? {image}

hah, Darkstar again.
Daemon Goldsmith right ?

is it geting round and round .

Its clear BW will not disclose all his methods AS A WHOLLE ...

detox my blindess
  • #3,528
  • Sep 25, 2022 1:51am Sep 25, 2022 1:51am
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} Chris Lori is a smart guy..Uses lines tho...Bit of a sticky point for some..... I had the fortune of attending a live seminar he put on in Downtown Vancouver back in mmm 2006ish or so,,,,Always loosely followed him at least watching what he says and teaches without judgement (mostly lol ) Thanks for posting vid...Also for those who dont know Chris was an olympic bobsledder for many years... He knows what high performance is...An elite athlete who understands its you vs you...just the same as it is in trading Thats a hint for you BW.....
No worries, his stuff is good and he has a good reputation. His olympic athlete background gives him the sports mindset of winning which all traders should be aware of I feel. Take the best and make it your own from good sources.
  • #3,529
  • Sep 25, 2022 2:35am Sep 25, 2022 2:35am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi FWR, you ask and I shall answer. I go straight to the issue about lines. And I have explained at length numerous posts about demarcation, high/low, and semi cycles that oscillate around demarcation. I also told that there are long term, medium term and short term cycles. I also mentioned that the former locations are already marked on our chart for every Forex pair, metal, oil, indices, commodities, stocks and every crypto coin. The definition is universal for all timeframes. The traditional technical analysis of support resistance is...
BW, I'm not looking for answers as in I'm lost and need saving.

I, an adult, non- ob/os, candle pattern, traditional technical analysis follower, have been trying to workout what you mean when you post stuff that could be explained by other terminology or actual proper discussion. Not asking to be shown anything but beyond your open lines there is not too much to work out from the non-revealing of whatever it is you are talking about.

You like vertical lines.

Anyway, there's no pressure from me just trying to waddle through the obfuscation.

All the best.
  • #3,530
  • Edited 3:59am Sep 25, 2022 3:23am | Edited 3:59am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi FWR, I understand you perfectly since I was in your situation before I made this turnaround. Believe me, I'm thinking hard how to help decent people like you get to success that we seek. I just got lucky that's all. And given the level of recent personal attacks it get harder still now, so I'm selective whom I reply to. And I'm in no mood to help those who attack me. So how to help now given this handicap ? Even after many breakthroughs through research work it was this one moment that connected the dots. FWR, my question for you to think...
Here we go guys, let us help each other. I don't care who is angry. We need to earn for our families. Let's go!

A CFD is a contract between two parties to exchange the difference in the price of an underlying asset, between the time at which a contract is opened and the time at which it is closed.

So basically we are betting (speculating) the change of value of an asset (EURUSD, GBPJPY, etc.) using a contract (CFD) between us and the brokers.

Now the value of exchange rate is based on spot forex market.

So in conclusion if this is what it is, patterns, candlesticks, lines, indicators should be irrelevant because the exchange rate values is based on spot forex market not on candles or lines traded on screen. Holysh*t!
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  • #3,531
  • Sep 25, 2022 4:14am Sep 25, 2022 4:14am
What if we try to apply it on our charts. Let us see.

Honest comments are welcome, even from angry people.

What do you think guys, we need to work it out, swallow your pride. We don't know what we don't know!

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  • #3,532
  • Sep 25, 2022 4:21am Sep 25, 2022 4:21am
Quoting David0
{quote} I have always been obsessed with open line because the is always a movement away from it. I see it a very important line. Crucial point said it best that 95% of the time, price will close above or below an open line. Meaning the is alway a guaranteed movement.
But what about the close. Or the weekly open, or close. How about yesterdays high and low. Surely there is a 95% chance that we close above or below them also. I am of the opinion that these lines are all important, and can surely be used in some capacity. I would not discount them.
Get the Lag out
  • #3,533
  • Sep 25, 2022 4:28am Sep 25, 2022 4:28am
Quoting FulMargnAlch
What if we try to apply it on our charts. Let us see. Honest comments are welcome, even from angry people. What do you think guys, we need to work it out, swallow your pride. We don't know what we don't know! {image}
For me this pair would be hard to trade as i find it difficult to trade continuation. I mostly look for reversals for 30 to 50 pips. I have posted some charts with all the notes as to how i see it. Many times i am not able to identify the High or Low but for that i have my stop loss. Last week i only had like 6 trades. 4 winners and 2 losses. All on my micro account. The problem i am finding is somehow even after good setups like RNs, Time, Pins the price tends to go into consolidation (where i had 2 loses). You might have noticed that last week some GBP pairs just had very small range during the London session where i mostly trade. If i can somehow see a consolidation coming up i may have a better winning ratio..lol
  • #3,534
  • Sep 25, 2022 4:42am Sep 25, 2022 4:42am
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} {image} Hey BW Line traders are lying not real traders... A fact you have stated... Here are some charts with lines...and patterns too, as you say those dont work either,,, So im wondering if you can tell me which of these charts are from Line Lying Not Real traders ? As you have never backed up your words...I thought I might help you,,,,,with a few examples.. Lets Play spot the LYING CHART THUS THE LYING TRADER..... Lets go.... ! ! ! Blue {image}{image}{image} {image}
Thank you bluesteele for sharing your knowledge .
  • #3,535
  • Sep 25, 2022 4:42am Sep 25, 2022 4:42am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Ok Kev, you spoke your mind. This forum read you. Thank you for the reply to my questions. My questions were worded that addressed to no one. Cheers. Btw the particular sentence is written as, {quote} And if I misquoted ryuryu then I owe him an apology.
BW why don't you post the occasional chart explaining your view on where price is going, and how you came to that conclusion. Then, for the benefit of the great unwashed, tell us your plan for trading that conclusion. Personally Emperor, I think you have no clothes on. Prove me wrong. Kudos to #bluesteele for calling out this false prophet.
  • #3,536
  • Sep 25, 2022 4:43am Sep 25, 2022 4:43am
Jason

Mate, depending on where you are go grab a pizza, beer and watch a film.
I’ll let you back in tomorrow.
My decision, no one has suggested it, just a cooling down.
At times we all need a push to take a break.

Andy.
  • #3,537
  • Sep 25, 2022 4:50am Sep 25, 2022 4:50am
I have limited the thread for a few hours.
Reds only.
Post if you have to otherwise give the thread a few hours break.

Thanks

Andy.
  • #3,538
  • Sep 25, 2022 10:45am Sep 25, 2022 10:45am
For those who have pm'd me and asked.. Andy has only temporarily restricted posting for a few hours
at least until he wakes up... Will he wake up? (philosophically speaking of course)

I just thought now might be a good time for anyone interested to re read Andys opening post..
In fact I highly encourage you to read and re read it and give it some thought...

Heres the second half of it I have copied...
(Its Sunday here in North America and time for me now to focus on the trading week ahead)

All the best this week !

Blue

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For someone looking in for the first time, there is no one method either explained or inferred.
There are however regular contributors who have their own thoughts and methods who regularly post charts and hints.
They do this off their own back, no one is obliged to contribute or indeed to use the information given.

The one thing I will say about those who regularly contribute to the thread, the ones that I know, they genuinely do trade.
And they are just like you, regular people looking to make a way in trading.
The methods that they employ now would have worked 50 years ago and no reason that they won't heading into the future.

The single one reason for the markets to be made available are for those, controlling the markets, (and they are controlled), to make consistent money.
You as a trader must figure that out.
No one from the controlling Elite lose money!
Trading provides them with consistent money, guaranteed.
To do that the markets have to move in the most efficient way possible.
Each move is planned, in advance.


The thread started as a discussion and it has lived up to that, I have however added one line to the opening post,

No secret or hidden agendas to be found on this thread!
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #3,539
  • Sep 25, 2022 11:02am Sep 25, 2022 11:02am
Very interesting conversation here, pointless, but interesting.

Lines, no lines, diagonal, not diagonal, good line, bad line, to line or not to line, that is the question. My favorite; "why the market goes up or why the market goes down"?
Someone who has the $$$ to move it flipped a coin, the COT report implied a direction, MM got out of bed on the left or right side.

I had a fellow who questioned the reasoning for my grid, he said, "mt4 has a grid that is the same as mine and works fine". I posted a picture with the mt4 grid enabled along with my grid, I replied, "not the same, not even close", he saw they were not and he retreated in silence, that was wise.

I find that above average intelligent individuals have a very hard time letting go of their opinions, however subjective or not. Arguing with these types is a fools errand and will never come to a conclusion, just a lot of frustration and typing. They cannot go beyond substantiating their opinion with any facts because there is none.

I can give hundreds of examples how a line is traded like bluesteele did that make sense and are very logical, hell I trade a grid which is lines but I will never say, "nothing else works or those that don't are stupid or ignorant".

If you use something that you like and are happy with the results, good for you, keep on getting on! No need to smash someone else because they don't trade the way you trade or use the tools you don't like.
MY GRID. Markets are NOT random.
  • #3,540
  • Edited 5:34pm Sep 25, 2022 4:52pm | Edited 5:34pm
I'll reopen the thread now.
Thanks for the reminder Kev of post 1.
That's the housekeeping done.
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