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  • #3,301
  • Edited 7:54pm Sep 12, 2022 7:32pm | Edited 7:54pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} By predictable, I mean the value intent can be known before it happen. I made this post Sep1, check your h4 chart to see how E$ market play out. I've done this type of "prediction" so many times. I make such live market calls to demonstrate how predictable this Forex market is, to give meaning to what I mean by predictable. Ofc if long term cycles are predictable, it's the same with shorter cycles. And I'm only interested to trade intraday 50pips cycles. I don't subscribe to(I have no idea) candle patterns, price action, indicator ob/os...
Did you knew it already from Sept. 1? or was it made more clarified since Sep. 6?
The market hides a perfect geometry.
  • #3,302
  • Sep 12, 2022 7:36pm Sep 12, 2022 7:36pm
Quoting FulMargnAlch
Did you know it already from Sept. 1? or was it made more clarified since Sep. 6?
I knew it on Sep1. I have precise metrics on Sep6. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #3,303
  • Sep 12, 2022 10:14pm Sep 12, 2022 10:14pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} By predictable, I mean the value intent can be known before it happen. I made this post Sep1, check your h4 chart to see how E$ market play out. I've done this type of "prediction" so many times. I make such live market calls to demonstrate how predictable this Forex market is, to give meaning to what I mean by predictable. Ofc if long term cycles are predictable, it's the same with shorter cycles. And I'm only interested to trade intraday 50pips cycles. I don't subscribe to(I have no idea) candle patterns, price action, indicator ob/os...
BWilliam, lets define live market calls. Keep in mind I am just using this one post as an example, if it differs from your previous live market calls feel free to set me straight.

By the way great prediction so far. Its a daunting task, a heavy lift and either way you look at it, you put yourself out there which sometimes can come with a-lot of heat on a public forum. Great job on being active and communicative here on FF .

If we go back to your live market call which you referenced you say this:

"E$ will continue to try to get to 1.022 and try trade above the target registered on 11 Aug. The professionals are watching and waiting like vultures."

A prediction or a forecast is not a live market call.

If you want to do a live market call it would look something like this:

Order Type: Market Order / Limit Order
EURUSD
BUY @ .9876
Amount: 500,000
STOP: @ .9830
TP : If applicable
If limit order good until: Cancelled / Time
Optional Notes: E$ will continue to try to get to 1.022 and try trade above the target registered on 11 Aug. The professionals are watching and waiting like vultures.
Optional Chart: Insert Chart

This is then followed up with updates such as: Order Cancelled, TP hit, Stopped out for 46 pips etc...

In my eyes this is a live market call.

Interested to hear yours and others thoughts.
Swing the AXE..HARD w/ Effort, Consistency and Patience
  • #3,304
  • Sep 12, 2022 10:49pm Sep 12, 2022 10:49pm
Quoting HTG
A prediction or a forecast is not a live market call. If you want to do a live market call it would look something like this: Order Type: Market Order / Limit Order EURUSD BUY @ .9876 Amount: 500,000 STOP: @ .9830 TP : If applicable If limit order good until: Cancelled / Time Optional Notes: E$ will continue to try to get to 1.022 and try trade above the target registered on 11 Aug. The professionals are watching and waiting like vultures. Optional Chart: Insert Chart This is then followed up with updates such as: Order Cancelled, TP hit, Stopped...
Hi HTG, I understand your example.

To me that's a live trade call.
Members do that in the Interactive Trading section.

I don't do live trade calls on FF. None.

I only do live market calls.

There's a difference and a big one.

The reason for not doing live trade calls is I will have to unveil the entire package how to trade.
And bear the ensuing responsibility.
How to trade is not a topic I go into on FF.
Quoting BWilliam
FWR, bingo ! That's why I've never posted about how to trade ever on FF, 1835 posts. It's meaningless. And it's not easy to explain this important thinking aspect clearly on forum format. It's too big a responsibility of potential harm if done incorrectly. Cheers
Btw we have lots of experienced traders on FF. Follow them. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #3,305
  • Sep 12, 2022 10:51pm Sep 12, 2022 10:51pm
GBP/ JPY and EUR/JPY trades yesterday London session. Lots of patience is required to identify the HS and Ls. Both off RNs, Time, PFH, Pins etc.
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  • #3,306
  • Sep 12, 2022 11:03pm Sep 12, 2022 11:03pm
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} Hi BW... It seems to me the more appropriate word would be forecasting versus predicting.. ? Cheers Blue
I like the word anticipate - as in anticipating an event due to skills and tunnel vision for that precise skill usage. Non-blindness perhaps.
  • #3,307
  • Sep 12, 2022 11:43pm Sep 12, 2022 11:43pm
Quoting FocusWinReal
I like the word anticipate - as in anticipating an event due to skills and tunnel vision for that precise skill usage. Non-blindness perhaps.
I like the word anticipate too.
It describe the process more accurately. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #3,308
  • Sep 12, 2022 11:45pm Sep 12, 2022 11:45pm
Quoting whitesta
GBP/ JPY and EUR/JPY trades yesterday London session. Lots of patience is required to identify the HS and Ls. Both off RNs, Time, PFH, Pins etc. {image} {image}
Two Thumbs up Whitesta Excellent trades.

Cheers
Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #3,309
  • Sep 13, 2022 12:07am Sep 13, 2022 12:07am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi HTG, I understand your example. To me that's a live trade call. Members do that in the Interactive Trading section. I don't do live trade calls on FF. None. I only do live market calls. There's a difference and a big one. The reason for not doing live trade calls is I will have to unveil the entire package how to trade. And bear the ensuing responsibility. How to trade is not a topic I go into on FF. {quote} Btw we have lots of experienced traders on FF. Follow them. Cheers
Fair enough and I get it!

I still think they are one in the same (The live market call is part of the live trade call).

One of the reason I think like this and want to fix: This industry lacks the access to successful traders right? Real authentic, trustworthy, successful traders.
By providing this type of information along with some other stuff, one becomes Authentic and trustworthy.

To lead and dominate this industry, there will only be for the few

There may be many experienced traders, but I am not here to follow anyones calls and did not intend for the post to come out like that if it did.
Swing the AXE..HARD w/ Effort, Consistency and Patience
  • #3,310
  • Sep 13, 2022 12:23am Sep 13, 2022 12:23am
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} Two Thumbs up Whitesta Excellent trades. Cheers Blue
Thanks Bluesteele, I am still following the charts u shared. Trying to be very picky with trades. Also watching Stacey Burke's videos. Working out well so far. There are more winners than losers and trying to keep the stop loss to a minimum. If the analysis is wrong then there is no point hoping for the trade to go my way. The waiting part is the hardest and not being trigger happy. Thats where time comes in. Its always good to come and watch charts at certain times. Equity opens are the best times as said by Bluesteele.
Trade well all.
  • #3,311
  • Edited 6:54am Sep 13, 2022 12:26am | Edited 6:54am
Quoting HTG
One of the reason I think like this and want to fix: This industry lacks the access to successful traders right? Real authentic, trustworthy, successful traders. By providing this type of information along with some other stuff, one becomes Authentic and trustworthy. To lead and dominate this industry, there will only be for the few
Hi HTG, I agree.

What you describe are industry front runners.

I'm merely posting my opinions on Andy's obscure discussion thread. I'm just an average Joe trader. Pls don't assume anything else. (It's not my fault if you do.)

Imo, there's very little discussion on the sensitive topics I wrote about. Offending taboo subjects.

There's very little questioning behind Gurus trading strategy assumptions.

There's also this hiding behind randomness, saying no one can forecast this Forex market. And the crowd happily accept that.

More glaring, there's very few Gurus out there that make live market calls. That make sense.

What's worse is to state contradictions.

There's no way to fix these flaws unless we talk about it. And raise our expectation to include the above that I wrote about. This fault lies with us.

Right now, the crowd happily accept and swallow the hook, line and sinker.

There are more that I have in my head that I don't talk on Andy's thread. It's just too sensitive.

Play nice or stick the neck out to talk about it?

Don't look at me. I'm not that guy you talk about. Far from it. I'm just the average Joe trader who knows how to think logically and take the trouble to tell it here. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #3,312
  • Sep 13, 2022 1:17am Sep 13, 2022 1:17am
Quoting FulMargnAlch
{quote} I believe I remember this pattern somewhere that makes the M and W, the reason was this. Just reverse for buy. {image}
That's the trouble with patterns. Perception and only confirmation of the past tense that can say "It's an M".
  • #3,313
  • Edited 3:22am Sep 13, 2022 1:26am | Edited 3:22am
Quoting FocusWinReal
That's the trouble with patterns. Perception and only confirmation of the past tense that can say "It's an M".
That's why patterns have a 50:50 expected value. Some popular guru showed it on history charts and traders jump on the bandwagon. The secret sauce is in the sweet, nice and popular that Tom talked about in his video. Nobody ask about the logic behind the assumptions.

Double top and double bottom is as old as the hills.

Why stop there, what about Wolfe wave?

Just telling my annoying opinion in general. Not directed at you, FWR.

Crucial Point wrote it here.
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...74#post3579174

Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #3,314
  • Sep 13, 2022 1:40am Sep 13, 2022 1:40am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} What's worse is to state contradictions. There's no way to fix these flaws unless we talk about it. And up our expectation to include the above that I wrote about. This fault lies with us. Right now, the crowd happily accept and swallow the hook, line and sinker. There are more that I have in my head that I don't talk on Andy's thread. It's just too sensitive. Don't look at me. I'm not that guy you talk about. Far from it. I'm just the average Joe trader who knows how to think logically and take the trouble to tell it here. Cheers
It's healthy to discuss trading topics conventional or not. Guru or GOAT following? No thanks. Take what we need from them and look at their fallibilities, recognise what they do wrong because they all do something wrong - but at some stage we have to create our own style, path, goals. Putting some live calls takes strength and confidence. Learning from hindsight is way cool though.
Your blindness writing and other mentions of trading have given me value. I guess you find value in Peter Celebs writing?
  • #3,315
  • Sep 13, 2022 1:42am Sep 13, 2022 1:42am
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} That's the trouble with patterns. Perception and only confirmation of the past tense that can say "It's an M".
Yeah. It's too subjective and easier to justify when it happened already.
The market hides a perfect geometry.
  • #3,316
  • Sep 13, 2022 1:48am Sep 13, 2022 1:48am
Quoting FulMargnAlch
{quote} Yeah. It's too subjective and easier to justify when it happened already.
So one could develop an anticipatory way of entering trades. Perhaps wihtout patterns?

I couldn't do the M and W thing which is a big part of BTMM and, well, have had to create my own way to suit my head. I've learned the most from the simpler methods than the more complex ones.
  • #3,317
  • Sep 13, 2022 1:51am Sep 13, 2022 1:51am
Quoting FocusWinReal
So one could develop an anticipatory way of entering trades. Perhaps wihtout patterns?
FWR, I anticipated there's nothing much happening up north with E$ and G$, so here I am posting on FF.
Know what you trade
  • #3,318
  • Sep 13, 2022 1:55am Sep 13, 2022 1:55am
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} So one could develop an anticipatory way of entering trades. Perhaps wihtout patterns? I couldn't do the M and W thing which is a big part of BTMM and, well, have had to create my own way to suit my head. I've learned the most from the simpler methods than the more complex ones.
Yeah. I observed that you are always too late when pattern trading and the cycle continues that you blame yourself why can't you see it earlier.
The market hides a perfect geometry.
  • #3,319
  • Sep 13, 2022 2:08am Sep 13, 2022 2:08am
Quoting FulMargnAlch
{quote} Yeah. I observed that you are always too late when pattern trading and the cycle continues that you blame yourself why can't you see it earlier.
It happens sometimes but its not just about patterns. Where and when you are seeing it, is also very important. Its more about the structure and what was happening in the previous session also matters. Hindsight does help you see what will happen in future. Market just repeats itself. Once you see it, u won't unsee it, if that makes sense. Lots of patience is required and i also see it late like 80% of the time. But when i see it i trade it. If u see it late just leave it and not force it. Markets will give u more opportunities. Thats why u hear most of the full time or pro traders tell us to look at 2 or 3 pairs and see its movement day in day out. Hard but possible. We all learn each day.
Trade Well
  • #3,320
  • Edited 3:07am Sep 13, 2022 2:48am | Edited 3:07am
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} So one could develop an anticipatory way of entering trades. Perhaps wihtout patterns? I couldn't do the M and W thing which is a big part of BTMM and, well, have had to create my own way to suit my head. I've learned the most from the simpler methods than the more complex ones.
I believe this is our holy grail, if we can anticipate trades and earn money, what else is there to do?

Yeah. The simple, the better. But there are always those who make sure everything is a big deal and ambiguous. Perhaps in trading, at last, they feel superior and a master compared to their lonely and hurtful lives. Perhaps in their dying days, they will realize how pointless it is to withheld knowledge they cannot even bring to their grave, and miss the chance to bring change and hope to the preys of the forex industry, or maybe there is really nothing? Who knows.
The market hides a perfect geometry.
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