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  • #3,241
  • Sep 10, 2022 7:41am Sep 10, 2022 7:41am
Quoting Aussi
{quote} Hi mate yes i have had my share of lies and personal attacks , i do love FF and i stand up to the bullys and what they miss out on is the cash because they have no understanding , its about the cash not ego
Helping one another with the quest to improve their trading is key
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #3,242
  • Edited 8:46am Sep 10, 2022 8:20am | Edited 8:46am
Quoting turnip15
Helping one another with the quest to improve their trading is key
Hi Turnip, I took the trouble to write a lot of multi-faceted matters that's rarely discussed on forum for this purpose.

Read from post #3019 to #3036. FWR and mine. It's all there in a nutshell, the summary.

2 main takeaways,

1. Overcome blindness, the gateway to success is this secret tunnel vision I wrote about.
(Talk to bluesteele, RickM, ryuryu, profitfarmer, Stacey Burke, Tom Hougaard or anyone else you know, you see this same ingredient of success). It can't be given to you, you have to find your tunnel and own it.

2. Try understand why price rise or fall. Think in terms of 50pips minimum value intent - this is the intelligent logical trading structure.

Looking for holy grail indicator, pattern or strategy is looking for success in the wrong place.

You don't improve your trading, that's wrong thinking. It's either success or not. No in between.

Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #3,243
  • Edited 6:46pm Sep 10, 2022 12:14pm | Edited 6:46pm
Quoting HTG
Hi BWilliam, I would like to add my thoughts on this, personally its the mindset that will improve your losing trades. Nothing wrong with research at all, its at the core of ones game as well. MINDSET is number one though, its the center. In question with this post is Losing trades but in fact applies to all of trading, you need to have your MINDSET in check. 1-18 does not happen without mental toughness. If your putting research before or above mindset then what happens when the research you laid out starts to change, or you start to question...
I think this is an important controversial subject about mindset and trading psychology.

I just watched some videos about mindset and trading psychology. Behind such presentation is this underlying assumption of randomness.

To me, if we assume randomness, then my question is where do we get our trading edge from?

We can't dissociate the conversation into seperate parts that contradict each other. If we assume randomness, then there's no edge in trading. Fear, mindset and trading psychology become irrelevant.

Therefore, we must answer this question first.

Is market random to you?

If the answer is yes, then fear, mindset and trading psychology apply to you. It doesn't matter anyway, since you're trading a random market.

However, if the market is not random to you, then fear, mindset and trading psychology become less relevant to you, and this depends on the degree of your perception of randomness.

That's what I wrote in my reply to HTG.
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...7#post14110537

We treat the source problem, not the symptoms.

That's why, imo, blindness is the root cause of fear, mindset and trading psychology problems that beset traders.

Therefore, it's obvious the solution to fear, mindset and trading psychology is to solve blindness. If there's no solution to blindness, hence market is random then there's nothing left for us in trading. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #3,244
  • Sep 10, 2022 2:32pm Sep 10, 2022 2:32pm
Quoting turnip15
{quote} Helping one another with the quest to improve their trading is key
yes some traders do help and traders take what they need out of threads that help
people leave, but this thread will go on for ever
  • #3,245
  • Sep 10, 2022 9:04pm Sep 10, 2022 9:04pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} I think this is an important controversial subject about mindset and trading psychology. I just watched some videos about mindset and trading psychology. Behind such presentation is this underlying assumption of randomness. To me, if we assume randomness, then my question is where do we get our trading edge from? We can't dissociate the conversation into seperate parts that contradict each other. If we assume randomness, then there's no edge in trading. Fear, mindset and trading psychology become irrelevant. Therefore, we must answer this...
Important subject yes, percent… Controversial? There is nothing controversial about it.

What were the videos, care to share?

Is the market Random? I’ll answer, the market is not random but I don’t believe my answer determines the relevancy of “fear, mindset and trading psychology.”

Regardless of how ones sees the market, a traders mindset will never be irrelevant.
(I will just reference mindset, fear is part of the mindset, does not make sense to list it separately)

Market random: a traders mindset will exist.

Market not random: a traders mindset will exist.

Look, there have been all kinds of financial studies about this question and being that there are so many divided both ways, is it random or is it not, does it really matter? Unless it comes up in discussion, like here, it really never enters my mind.

Mathematicians, professors, market participants all have there own thought around this but yet we are all still faced with one decision :

To buy or sell.

Prepare yourself for that decision, price is moving weather one thinks its random or not random

So yes, treat the source of the problem. I think the blindness you speak of is pulled from the overall objective of obtaining a championship mindset.

Blindness
Fear
Indecisiveness
Insecurity
Doubt
Many others….

ALL part of the weak MINDSET! Develop that Championship mindset.

Go get it!

Got to go, UFC Diaz vs Ferg coming up.
Swing the AXE..HARD w/ Effort, Consistency and Patience
  • #3,246
  • Edited 10:38pm Sep 10, 2022 10:15pm | Edited 10:38pm
Quoting HTG
Important subject yes, percent… Controversial? There is nothing controversial about it. What were the videos, care to share?
Here's the video I watched last night. First time.
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3:43-48 "Fear is what stops people from making money in the markets".

In my reply to Bilal last year, I referred him to a post that talked about fear, greed and ego - fear is not the only factor.

14:13-15, "if my entries are purely random..."
14:27-33, "in fact, you could even argue that I would have a better hitrate if I simply flip the coin..."
14:39-44, "so the sooner I accept that the nature of what I'm doing is basically random..."
Point 3 in the pic, "Since I have no knowledge of the future..."

Quoting HTG
Is the market Random? I’ll answer, the market is not random
Do you see this huge difference between what you and Tom Hougaard think about this market ?

Whether the markets is random or not is an important question for all traders.

I have enough evidence to know that majority of traders think this market is random.
Prediction of the future is not possible. This is the real perception.
Although we read a lot of flip flops and contradiction.

It's ok to think that this market is random. Normal and logical.

What's not ok is to say this market is random that's why I trade it.

It make no sense to trade this market if you see it as random. Simple logic.

I read time and time again, this repeated contradiction that traders declare this market is random, the future is not predictable yet when questioned why they trade they change their position to not random.

If market is random, then why trade at this special time of the day, at this special price of your entry?

Might as well click the buy or sell button anytime and anywhere you wish, makes no difference afterall since market is random.

How can the trader have a market bias at the time he executes his trade when he sees this market as random, no one can predict the future?

If market is random, as in future event is independent of the past, why bother with technical analysis?

So back to this all important question, is market random to you ?
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And it's not too difficult to figure out why this random question is the important determinant of the traders fear, mindset and trading psychology issues.

Cheers
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  • #3,247
  • Edited 2:14am Sep 11, 2022 1:34am | Edited 2:14am
I like this video that reaffirm what I wrote.
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Quoting BWilliam
Looking for holy grail indicator, pattern or strategy is looking for success in the wrong place.
I agree fully with what he said about indicators, patterns and whatever analysis.

"If you're in a position and you don't feel uncomfortable, you're probably not betting big enough."..... (big balls trading)

"If you're a good trader, everything you do hurt."

"The number of times that I've had $10-20,000 open profit positions then turn to zero are countless!"
(For every winning trade, plus losing trades x 10 = zero trades.)

"My trading philosophy, ladies and gentlemen, is I will never get out at the maximum profit potential ever."

From 21:00 onwards, summary of the brutal truth.

That's why success is so difficult and impossible for many. Cheers
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  • #3,248
  • Sep 11, 2022 4:09am Sep 11, 2022 4:09am
Why do price goes up and down?

In general, IMF members enter to temper "unwarranted" price fluctuations.
The market hides a perfect geometry.
  • #3,249
  • Edited 6:44am Sep 11, 2022 5:51am | Edited 6:44am
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1:53 - 2:33

"Every really good trader will eventually come out ahead and I think they do that because they have tapped into a source of approach to the market that lies far away from just technical analysis or just fundamental analysis."

All my recent posts is to say this same thing. To bring awareness to FF members and readers. The extra tangible components as I see it is in this post - the summary.
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...9#post14132449
Know what you trade
  • #3,250
  • Sep 11, 2022 8:54am Sep 11, 2022 8:54am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Here's the video I watched last night. First time. https://youtu.be/xoGOZD7-3gY 3:43-48 "Fear is what stops people from making money in the markets". In my reply to Bilal last year, I referred him to a post that talked about fear, greed and ego - fear is not the only factor. 14:13-15, "if my entries are purely random..." 14:27-33, "in fact, you could even argue that I would have a better hitrate if I simply flip the coin..." 14:39-44, "so the sooner I accept that the nature of what I'm doing is basically random..." Point 3 in...

I went ahead and watched the video, couple of them that you posted.

The answer is no, I dont see a huge difference. He says a lot of good things that traders need to hear. Based on a few videos you posted from Tom, the guy believes MINDSET is the key and so do I. He said it in one of the videos, "MINDSET is what brings in the dollars".

I said it here and a few other places.

https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...1#post14004941

Have a great trading week everyone.
Swing the AXE..HARD w/ Effort, Consistency and Patience
  • #3,251
  • Edited 9:39am Sep 11, 2022 9:22am | Edited 9:39am
Quoting HTG
I went ahead and watched the video, couple of them that you posted. The answer is no, I dont see a huge difference. He says a lot of good things that traders need to hear. Based on a few videos you posted from Tom, the guy believes MINDSET is the key and so do I. He said it in one of the videos, "MINDSET is what brings in the dollars". I said it here and a few other places. https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...1#post14004941 Have a great trading week everyone.
Hi HTG, I agree that the markets is not random. Ofc it's not that's why we trade. I can't understand why active traders say market is not predictable yet they trade a random market.

I agree that strong mindset is what brings in the dollars.

By saying strong mindset alone has no meaning to readers. Desensitise losses is logical, how to do that is the follow up question.

Where does Tom(successful traders in general) derive his strong mindset from that made him aggressive with his trading? That's what people want to know.

My answer - reduced blindness in real time market.

Citing strong mindset has no follow through action.

Whereas blindness, the cause of fear and weak mindset, has a tangible focal point for readers to think about. And the purpose of post#3249.

I wrote somewhere, the best trading strategy is the one that directly address real time blindness.

I appreciate your input that give me this opportunity to write about this topic. Thanks. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #3,252
  • Sep 11, 2022 10:05am Sep 11, 2022 10:05am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Where does Tom(successful traders in general) derive his strong mindset from that made him aggressive with his trading? That's what people want to know.
Tom writes in his Book and has openly talked before about how he is making his most money by swing trading/investing.
Tom has an addictive personality (if you know his past) and thats (likely) a big reason why he is daytrading the way he is.

Tom's "secret" is that he is trading a live account like a demo account.

His Entries levels are often just average or even below average, what he can do and most other Traders cant do is... adding money back in his daytrading account like its nothing (from his actual income source swing/investing) when he is taking losses.

His mindset is the best you can find out there, no doubt.
The reason he is able to have that mindset though is, because he simply doesnt care about his account in the first place.

His Account is a gambling account. Its there to satisfy his addiction.
  • #3,253
  • Edited Jan 10, 2024 7:10pm Sep 11, 2022 10:26am | Edited Jan 10, 2024 7:10pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi HTG, I agree that the markets is not random. Ofc it's not that's why we trade. I can't understand why active traders say market is not predictable yet they trade a random market. I agree that strong mindset is what brings in the dollars. By saying strong mindset alone has no meaning to readers. Desensitise losses is logical, how to do that is the follow up question. Where does Tom(successful traders in general) derive his strong mindset from that made him aggressive with his trading? That's what people want to know. My answer...

Heres your answer BW ...This is exactly what Tom did to transform his trading and learn how to handle the FEAR from INCREASED RISK.
and I believe this has been posted but heres the PDF again .. The Story Behind Best Loser Wins. Its all in this pdf.

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And for those who want the Reader's Digest shortened version here are the important quotes below.

"Training is important, and the will to act on the training is obviously paramount. However, our minds are not naturally gravitating towards taking risk. So, if you want to be a risktaker in life, you need to introduce risk into your life slowly and gradually.”

“Once you begin to become accustomed to taking risk, your appetite for more risk will grow. Now there is a big difference between sitting in a casino, throwing a $10 chip on a number at a roulette wheel and being engaged in active warfare.

If you don’t mind, I want to tell you how you can bridge that gap between what you are achieving now and what you want to achieve. The key is not to train less. You still have to train. However, you need to review your performance, and then you need to replay it in your mind, over and over to how you want it to be. Your actual outcome and your desired outcome are currently not aligned.

You need to spend specific scheduled and focused time on imagining your desired outcome. You can’t control the enemy, but you can practise your response, so it becomes automated. By doing so, you will de-sensitise your mind to the normal impulses that a normal mind will react to. You will not have the same degree of hesitation as you used to have. You will not feel the same degree of trepidation. Most importantly, you will not encounter the same fear stimuli that a normal brain will because you will have trained the normal fear response out of your mind. “


***Footnote..... To any who watched the UFC fight last night DIAZ vs FERGUSON....it was a War.. Ferguson pulverized Diaz's leg repeatedly....Diaz was having a hard time staying upright...At one point in the 3rd round Diaz retreated and actually looked like he was about to tap and quit...Any NORMAL personal would have quit long ago,,, BUT much Like Tom is saying...Diaz trained for this years and years of strengthening his mind...What did he do??? He shook it off came right back like a warrior and proceeded to WIN..... HIGH PERFORMANCE MINDSET that is strengthened beyond a NORMAL mind... Exactly the same as Tom H is saying..


***** And a final point to the Pikers and Punters here who shit on posting charts as they are "hindsight" What does Tom do... He prints out charts..Old charts thousands upon thousands of HINDSIGHT charts.. and studies them... PREPPING HIS MIND... Thats what a profession does.. Punters sit down and STFU ..Just my opinion lol


All the best
Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #3,254
  • Sep 11, 2022 10:44am Sep 11, 2022 10:44am
And to add further to my above post...Its all about repetition and training your mind.


From Toms TG channel July 15th...

A friend of mine, Michael, asked for help with his trading. I think you should read this:


Here goes....unedited

I am going to tell you something that no one else in the world knows. It will be just for you Michael.
Every day I wake up thinking how the fuck am I going to make money today. Every day.
And every evening I plot my trades on the completed chart, and I look at it, and I think...."how did I do that.....I don't even remember doing it...."

I work so hard and so long hours to understand what is going on in the markets. I study the charts to understand the decisions made by the players. But when all is said and done, once the bell rings, , I turn my brain off, , I think I turn it off, and I feel my way. I just look at the market and let it talk to me. Some days, like today, I don't accept what I am hearing because I have a one sided argument, so my gains are limited. To have a one sided ear is not always bad. Yesterday all I heard was " the ship is sinking...go short"...

You see what my message really is? I try to lose little when I lose. When I lose, I instantly get an urge from my body chemically to get revenge. That is poisonous to my mental health and decision making. So when I lose, I am double alert to my emotions. So you are asking what to do in the next 4 to 6 weeks, while I am away?

My answer is ...close your eyes, in a quiet place, see the setup, imagine you take it, and imagine the worst outcome possible. Imagine you lose, over and over, expect to lose, be a hopeless pessimist, laugh at the market when it goes your way because you know it is just a question of time before the market turns against you... confront your physical body with the mental anguish of losing trade after trade until you at will can close your eyes and imagine you trade, and the market moves against you, and the body releases hormones associated with loss aversion. I am not immune to those hormones. They affect me, but not like they used to.

I have habituated myself to their effect so that I am not falling victim to their detrimental affect on my objectivity. Think about it... 90% lose. All people want is entertain the nice thoughts and the scenarios where everything works out. So when they do lose, they are so unprepared for the cocktail of oppressive hormones released by the brain, they are incapacitated to the point of our least advantageous to position to be in, which is where all we have left is hope.

Hope is fine when our position goes well, but you should never hope when you are losing. By repeatedly doing this mental exercise, you will stop the wishing and hoping and the dreaming of big bucks, and you will actively train the part of the mind that is currently subtly working against you, to be on your side by over exposing your mind with the very thing it is constantly trying to avoid...

you want to be good? You want to be like me? Stop chasing dreams and start chasing nightmares, so that the nightmares are actively dealt with immediately. Do you think pilots in simulation is stress tested through a smooth flight in ideal conditions? Are they fuck!. They are pushed into a smoke filled cabin, flying blind, with 3 of the 4 engines not working and a fucking sidewind to knock them off course....play, act, adjust, repeat...until it becomes second nature...and then you will see a very different Michael emerging...

Now it sounds easy, but it isn't. No brain likes pain...we are just not put together that way....
Is the goal profits? Then the warrior spirit is to go where no one else wants to go, because the goal god dammit dictates it.
Close your eyes and imagine....
I am not going to sweeten the message by saying I hope it works....because it will...there is no hoping.. just be glad that it is so difficult to do because if it was easier ...well everyone else would do it....
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #3,255
  • Edited 1:38pm Sep 11, 2022 11:49am | Edited 1:38pm
What I gleaned from all the above discussions on Tom's trading.

1. He focusses all his efforts on mainly 1 market.
2. He trades fully capitalised with the position sizes & leverage he is using. Losses do not affect him
3. He focusses all his attention on the trade he is currently in and always looks to add to profitable positions.
4. He trades with a direction bias, whether it produces a small loss or a huge profit.
5. He keeps all his trades recorded and prints out charts to study.

Maybe some more points, these are the most obvious to me.

Edit:
6. His research into his choice of market is well documented, compiling stats and having probabilities work for him
It never gets easier, you just get better
  • #3,256
  • Sep 11, 2022 1:51pm Sep 11, 2022 1:51pm
Quoting Shabs19
What I gleaned from all the above discussions on Tom's trading. 1. He focusses all his efforts on mainly 1 market. 2. He trades fully capitalised with the position sizes & leverage he is using. Losses do not affect him 3. He focusses all his attention on the trade he is currently in and always looks to add to profitable positions. 4. He trades with a direction bias, whether it produces a small loss or a huge profit. 5. He keeps all his trades recorded and prints out charts to study. Maybe some more points, these are the most obvious to me.
Hey Shabs !!

Hope all is well with you

1. Toms day trading is normally focused on indices... DAX/FTSE/DOW/NAS. And he will be in and out of all four markets during the UK and US sessions. Sometimes in all four at once. Swing trading he runs another channel and that is more often currency pairs.

As well he is also scalping in the quiet moments of the channel and also taking other trades not published.. personally don't know how he does it all... Very very driven man.. very rare IMO.

2. He trades heavy yes.. but often in at a set percent of 100% normal size.. He will trade 25/50/75/100 more often 25 or 50% of normal...and full... If a full size is £100pt I've seen him go into the thousands of £s per point then start dropping trades off to ease the risk..after a set gain or price action he doesn't like.. so yes he is a all in type of trader at times.

3. Bang on

4. Yes...and sometimes he will carry his bias too far and bets hit hard...but what is amazing and one of the reasons I love following him..is the way he will change his whole bias in a moment's notice.. a mindset regroup you might say.

5.. yep all is recorded..time-stamped called out live with stops TPs etc. Latency is something he has worked on. Currently he is doing live voice sessions for the UK and US ..so you hear what he's doing and see on the chat. Pretty effective..I don't trade his calls...I tho did once copy a trade of his in the last 2 years..

I'm their to see a higher performing trader than myself perform and pick up useful ideas etc.. mostly of the psychological mindset to trade big and as well some technical tips picked up as well..

Have a great day Shabs

Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #3,257
  • Sep 11, 2022 4:40pm Sep 11, 2022 4:40pm
Some more material/thoughts for whomever might find interesting to chew on... Firstly ive been at this a long long long time..decades emphasis on the "s" lol
I love it...I love that its a never ending learning and the pursuit of refinement and mastery...I used to golf competitively when I was young and I find trading is akin to golf.. A huge technical and mental game. I love puzzles etc... brain challenges.

As for the randomness of the markets..I know the markets can be very random in any moment. But I find non-randomness in the bigger picture. Why would that be..Why do I have certain patterns that have 90%+ probabilities ? I have thoughts that its human driven...As the charts are as Al Brooks would say nothing more than a rational representation of human behavior. any one trade is like a life insurance actuary trying to determine the fate of one person... You cant.. But in the case of a large sampling the actuary can make a high probability estimations of groups with certain criteria.

Trading I see the same...One trade to me is like flipping a coin no matter if my probabilities tell me it has a high degree of succeeding. It may fail miserably.
Humans drive the charts bottomline...and we are predictable... Now as i have said I dont predict the markets...But I look for, like the actuary. a pattern among a large sampling size.... Now this may be Apophenia or Patternicity on my part...But im good with that.

So segueing all of this into some charts...and how I use a simple method for looking for high probablitly trades... One of my Sunday rituals and evening rituals when not trading... I will use higher TF charts 4hr and Daily to mark up common measured moves..Which then I can filter down with some entrance criteria or the flipside for a TP area when in a good trade... Always thinking in probabilites...how can I add to a trade ? well if I am in a "swing" "measured move" i may be more apt to stay in the trade.... There are many caveats to this..its much more difficult than it looks... but its my way of scaling up certain trades.

So anyways heres a couple of charts of WTI oil..4hr with measured moves marked up....(Tom uses this method for simply entering swing trades again with other conditions)

Common swings/measured moves..common buying selling behaviours of us humans

Also some older AUDUSD charts with a nice swing trade...also do the same with indices...part of the job lol..

Hope someone gets some use of this or helps spark an idea of your own on how to use utilize.

Cheers
Blue

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  • #3,258
  • Edited 5:57pm Sep 11, 2022 5:34pm | Edited 5:57pm
Quoting HTG
{quote} I went ahead and watched the video, couple of them that you posted. The answer is no, I dont see a huge difference. He says a lot of good things that traders need to hear. Based on a few videos you posted from Tom, the guy believes MINDSET is the key and so do I. He said it in one of the videos, "MINDSET is what brings in the dollars". I said it here and a few other places. https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...1#post14004941 Have a great trading week everyone.
Hi HTG, I have to come back to this question,

Is the market random to you?

I wrote earlier, I spend a considerable amount of time researching the roulette game. And roulette spins are random, or it should be.

If Forex traders trade the market as random, then they are akin to betting a roulette game. If anyone has access to high roller rooms, they see bets of $100k on a single spin all done in say 3minutes to know the outcome on to the next spin. That's a random game. And this is strong mindset on display. I've seen a baccarat game that went approx. 16 hands flipping from banker to player, all bets won. Yup 16 consecutive hands of even money betting. You can imagine the strong mindset how much was betted by the 10th hand.

I don't trade Forex like a roulette game of randomness. If it's randomness, I gamble roulette. For Forex I trade, I see clarity. It's this clarity that give me strong mindset.

We can't overcome blindness with the random roulette game. But we have a chance to overcome blindness in this Forex market. To me, everything about trading the market is to overcome real time blindness. And to answer this question, why price rise or fall. You can't answer this same question why the next spin is red or black in a random roulette game. You can for Forex. That's the difference.

So, back to this question,

Is the market random to you?

Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #3,259
  • Edited 6:22pm Sep 11, 2022 5:50pm | Edited 6:22pm
Quoting FundedCoffee
Tom writes in his Book and has openly talked before about how he is making his most money by swing trading/investing. Tom has an addictive personality (if you know his past) and thats (likely) a big reason why he is daytrading the way he is.
Hi FundedCoffee, I can imagine swing trading/investing bring in the most money.

Quoting FundedCoffee
Tom's "secret" is that he is trading a live account like a demo account.

The reason he is able to have that mindset though is, because he simply doesnt care about his account in the first place. His Account is a gambling account. Its there to satisfy his addiction.
I have zero addiction to gamble Forex - I gamble roulette. Even then, I don't gamble outright. I gamble with advantage play(non-deterministic) for the fun and entertainment, and as an intellectual stimulant activity. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #3,260
  • Edited 6:09pm Sep 11, 2022 5:58pm | Edited 6:09pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi HTG, I have to come back to this question, Is the market random to you? I wrote earlier, I spend a considerable amount of time researching the roulette game. And roulette spins are random, or it should be. If Forex traders trade the market as random, then they are akin to betting a roulette game. If anyone has access to high roller rooms, they see bets of $100k on a single spin all done in say 3minutes to know the outcome on to the next spin. That's a random game. And this is strong mindset on display. I've seen a baccarat game that went...
I think there is a need to flesh out some facts to remove this holier than thou cryptic style of discussion that impedes our trading and hinders our progress. How can we understand the concept of something clearly when every thing is written like a ceremony to a masonic lodge.

Even Feynman advocates clear and concise discussion that even a 10 year old can understand.

Imagine teaching driving to an 18 year old person.

Are gears random in a car?
If one piston moves, do you know were energy would flow and lead you to your destination?
If you can predict the high and low of a piston, can you calculate your speed?
Do you know the shell of snails follow the golden mean, how do you think it relates to the four wheels below?

Market is not random, if it is, why are banks (who are mandated by law to exert extraordinary diligence in their dealings) totally invested in it?

My research led me to the reason why forex was created from the first place.

From "Bretton Woods Accord" to "Jamaica Agreement" until today, world leaders acknowledge that currency rates are hard to control.

Further posts to follow...
The market hides a perfect geometry.
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