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  • #2,201
  • Edited 4:42am Jul 10, 2022 4:13am | Edited 4:42am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi ryu, Well this is a very interesing development. What do I mean by there MUST be volume for price to move. That was my QUESTION to you ryu ? {quote} Because that's why price moves. Right. BUT, is this my statement posted on forex factory ? NO ryu ! This is YOUR statement to your own readers on your journal. {quote} So, can we please do this once again, so that we both have the same starting point in our discussion, then I can show you on Andy's thread right here that volume is NOT necessary, for me, when I trade, which was just the original...
Your statement is wrong. Price moves NOT because of volume. Volume is the RESULT. Market orders move the price. If today BTC price is 100$ and there first limit sell will be at 200000$ then if you hit BUY you will push the price to the moon and your buy price will be 200000$. But here we have NO VOLUME just your 10$ trade.

Volume == TRADES.

You better keep drawing your lines. As I see you can't understand (or don't want to) the basics.

I see common mistake why you post all this. Because you think that orderbook data is the volume. It is not. Limit orders are NOT the volume. Volume is trades! When market order matched limit orders.

Basics. You have to learn basics first.

Quoting TimeTells
{quote} volume is NOT necessary, for me, when I trade,
Exactly that statement shows that you just don't understand the things. You don't know what orderbook is, what orderflow is, what is the difference between market and limit order and what stops are. I'll now take a screenshot of your "statement" and will always post it, until you will learn the basics and change your mind. Until that I'll call you gambler. You are not a trader. It is impossible to trade with no knowledge about the market you are "trading" at.
Observer effect
  • #2,202
  • Edited 4:45am Jul 10, 2022 4:17am | Edited 4:45am
Quoting moodybot
No volume in Forex right?
Who said that? Me? I can't say it because I have no volume data on forex. I can't say if there is a volume or if there is no volume. Also what you mean by "volume on forex"? Volume on all forex? Or on your broker? What volume you are trying to figure out?\

Guys you are digging yourself deeper and deeper showing with your post your total noob state.

If we say it is 10 level of trader evolution you like on 1 or max 2nd stage. You just don't known and understand the basics how market works. You have total mess of forex fairy tales and fake statements in your heads.

You are drawing fancy lines with poker faces and explain everything, and it looks like you know something. But when we start to dig few sm deeper then it is clear that you are just charlatans with zero knowledge in the background.
Observer effect
  • #2,203
  • Jul 10, 2022 4:40am Jul 10, 2022 4:40am
Quoting Ihlas
Hi @ryuryu, If you want artwork with drawing tools. Just PM me. We can also add hexagon, polygon, or n-gon. I always read your posts as if you're angry Are you?
He's only angry when he forgets his medecin - which, alarmingly, seems to be happening with greater frequency.

( Just put him on ignore, as I have, and you will find the flow and articulation of ideas on the thread is much smoother )
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #2,204
  • Jul 10, 2022 4:43am Jul 10, 2022 4:43am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
Market orders move the price.

Quoting TimeTells
{quote}
see the chart below again, inside the Black Box I have segregated
you told me you KEEP all the data, so from your dabase,
was there VOLUME during those eight hours.


You seem to deflect & avoid THE question ryu,

Have you something to hide ?

It was eight hours (8) ryu, and you say NO volume. Your post, your words.

If possible please check your database. Is the only thing I ask you.

Was there any volume during that 8 hr selloff period when price collapsed ?
A simple question really. And you say you keep & store all the data.


Here's the chart again below, you can ignore all lines,

just look for down "arrow" areas inside the black boxed area

Can you tell if your software recorded any volume data in those 8 hrs or was there NO volume.

If your data is not available, or if you do not wish to answer this easy question, please say so I will understand completely.


Easy picture to assess INSIDE the black box right side of chart

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  • #2,205
  • Jul 10, 2022 4:44am Jul 10, 2022 4:44am
Quoting turnip15
He's only angry when he forgets his medecin - which, alarmingly, seems to be happening with greater frequency.
Yo degen gambler, you messing with me ?
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  • #2,206
  • Jul 10, 2022 4:59am Jul 10, 2022 4:59am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
You don't know what orderbook is, what orderflow is, what is the difference between market and limit order and what stops are.

Quoting TimeTells
{quote} volume is NOT necessary, for me, when I trade


Amazing interpretation. Are you high on caffeine waiting for a bell to ring with your next possible trade ?

ryu, how do you extract in your mind that I do not know orderbook & orderflow

from my statement that
volume is NOT necessary, for me, when I trade


Or maybe I can explain more clearly what "not necessary" means to me ?

To me it just means NOT NEEDED in order to achieve my desired result.

It does not mean "not understood" , surely you know this difference.

Now please if you can, was there volume during 8 hrs, or NO volume as you posted,
If you have that information that would be great.
  • #2,207
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:13am Jul 10, 2022 5:13am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Who said that? Me? I can't say it because I have no volume data on forex. I can't say if there is a volume or if there is no volume. Also what you mean by "volume on forex"? Volume on all forex? Or on your broker? What volume you are trying to figure out?\ Guys you are digging yourself deeper and deeper showing with your post your total noob state. If we say it is 10 level of trader evolution you like on 1 or max 2nd stage. You just don't known and understand the basics how market works. You have total mess of forex fairy tales and fake...
Buy US500 Add me as D'Artagnan to three musketeers Discord room. I will train you how to fight without swords(volume).
Blue pill or red pill? Calm down man.
  • #2,208
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:14am Jul 10, 2022 5:14am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} {quote} You seem to deflect & avoid THE question ryu, Have you something to hide ? It was eight hours (8) ryu, and you say NO volume. Your post, your words. If possible please check your database. Is the only thing I ask you. Was there any volume during that 8 hr selloff period when price collapsed ? A simple question really. And you say you keep & store all the data. Here's the chart again below, you can ignore all lines, just look for down "arrow" areas inside the black boxed area Can you tell if your software recorded any volume data...
I'm storing every trade for every coins as I said

Don't know how to explain you the basics.

Look at your chart. There were no volume, or big buy volume in you black box where was arrow 1, arrow 2 and arrow 3. And only on arrow 4 everything changed. The volume can drop, the imbalance of sells/buys occure and so on. That's why price bounce.

But it can bounce on 3 and 2, and 1. Why on 4? Because of that. And because of that your arrows and rectangles make no sense. If you open short on #1 and if the size will be decent then it can be like #4.

Market orders move the price! Is it really so hard to understand? You can draw as many lines as you wish, if there will be no market order there will be no movement and no volume!

Quoting TimeTells
{quote}from my statement that
volume is NOT necessary, for me, when I trade
This is the same like to say that weather conditions are not necessary for professional F1 pilot.
They ARE must have to check and they ARE very important. If F1 pilot say that that means he is not F1 pilot and maximum he is uber driver or even never saw a car ever, because for amateur driver weather conditions are ncessary to check too (check you driver's rules).
Observer effect
  • #2,209
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:20am Jul 10, 2022 5:20am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
Look at your chart. There were no volume

Excellent ryu thank you.

One question please.

Market orders move price.

The price inside the black box moves downward in a major selloff for EIGHT HOURS (long time).

The Perfect Time to sell.

Why do you say it is dumb time for ME to sell.

You can see, surely, that someone is selling, for 8 hours lol.

So I am offended by crypto market, as why not ME.

Why do you say the market doesn’t like MY market (sell) order ?

Why cannot I sell when other traders are selling, works on currency trading ?
  • #2,210
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:23am Jul 10, 2022 5:23am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Excellent ryu thank you. One question please. Market orders move price. The price inside the black box moves downward in a major selloff for EIGHT HOURS (long time). The Perfect Time to sell. Why you say it is dumb time for ME to sell. You will see that someone is selling, for 8 hours lol. Why not ME. Why do you say the market doesn’t like MY market (sell) order ? Why cannot I sell when other traders are selling ?
Because you are the crew of Flying Dutchman, if you sell nobody will buy from the crew. NOBODY will buy from you, because you're on a pirate ship.
  • #2,211
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:29am Jul 10, 2022 5:29am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Excellent ryu thank you. One question please. Market orders move price. The price inside the black box moves downward in a major selloff for EIGHT HOURS (long time). The Perfect Time to sell. Why do you say it is dumb time for ME to sell. You can see, surely, that someone is selling, for 8 hours lol. So I am offended by crypto market, as why not ME. Why do you say the market doesn’t like MY market (sell) order ? Why cannot I sell when other traders are selling, works on currency trading ?
When you were selling? On your arrows?
What was your lot size? And how you determine it with not volume data???
What happened on #4? Still in position? Closed with loss? Where?
What was the average loss from that series of trades?

The volume was only 100-200k$ per minute, so max what you can "trade" there is like 1000$-2000$ trades, but in fact less. This is "nothing" for ETH. Also the distance there was < than the fees. If you will try to increase your lot size your will be immediately wiped out using that #4 scenario.
Observer effect
  • #2,212
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:30am Jul 10, 2022 5:30am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
This is the same like to say that weather conditions are not necessary for professional F1 pilot.

I love analogies

But yours ryu is quite a poor anaolgy, it is not thought out deeply at all by you.


What if pilot is IN the air. Plane is at 30,000 feet. And the WEATHER changes.

Are you saying pilot cannot fly the plane now? Pilot is stuck in plane not knowing what to do in just a change of weather.

Clue
Pilot still has eyes. (AND experience).
  • #2,213
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:31am Jul 10, 2022 5:31am
Quoting Ihlas
{quote} Because you are the crew of Flying Dutchman, if you sell nobody will buy from the crew. NOBODY will buy from you, because you're on a pirate ship.
Nobody's touching your cursed order, play in your sandbox.
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  • #2,214
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:34am Jul 10, 2022 5:34am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} I love analogies But yours ryu is quite a poor anaolgy, it is not thought out deeply at all by you. What if pilot is IN the air. Plane is at 30,000 feet. And the WEATHER changes. Are you saying pilot cannot fly the plane now? Pilot is stuck in plane not knowing what to do in just a change of weather. Clue Pilot still has eyes. (AND experience).
If F1 pilot is in the AIR, then something wrong happened with him. May be he forgot to check the weather conditions?
Observer effect
  • #2,215
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:35am Jul 10, 2022 5:35am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} If F1 pilot is in the AIR, then something wrong happened with him. May be he forgot to check the weather conditions?
Driver on a flying carpet.
  • #2,216
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:38am Jul 10, 2022 5:38am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
When you were selling? On your arrows? What was your lot size?

Ah.
So there WAS volume, thank you, I was hoping you would be honest at last.

I felt your statement that there was NO volume didn't make sense.
The market was in a sell off for eight hours for goodness sakes.
So someone WAS selling.
Ask THEM what their lot size was.

As you now answer my first question of thought about crypto.

WHY WOULD ANY PROPER TRADER BOTHER SWITCHING TO TRADING CRYPTO.

When on a major coin ETH, I cannot get set for my trades at the levels that I want. For a period of EIGHT HOURS lol .

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This is my vision of a REAL supermarket (ie forex)
And then
My vision of the ryu crypto supermarket.

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  • #2,217
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:38am Jul 10, 2022 5:38am
Quoting turnip15
{quote} He's only angry when he forgets his medecin - which, alarmingly, seems to be happening with greater frequency. ( Just put him on ignore, as I have, and you will find the flow and articulation of ideas on the thread is much smoother )
There is a reason why I’m keeping the channel open
  • #2,218
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:40am Jul 10, 2022 5:40am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Ah. So there WAS volume, thank you, I was hoping you would be honest at last. I felt your statement that there was NO volume didn't make sense. The market was in a sell off for eight hours for goodness sakes. So someone WAS selling. Ask THEM what their lot size was. As you now answer my first question of thought about crypto. WHY WOULD ANY PROPER TRADER BOTHER SWITCHING TO TRADING CRYPTO. When on a major coin ETH, I cannot get set for my trades at the levels that I want. For a period of EIGHT HOURS lol ....
  • #2,219
  • Edited 5:54am Jul 10, 2022 5:43am | Edited 5:54am
Quoting TimeTells
Ah. So there WAS volume, thank you, I was hoping you would be honest at last. I felt your statement that there was NO volume didn't make sense. The market was in a sell off for eight hours for goodness sakes. So someone WAS selling. Ask THEM what their lot size was. As you now answer my first question of thought about crypto. WHY WOULD ANY PROPER TRADER BOTHER SWITCHING TO TRADING CRYPTO. When on a major coin ETH, I cannot get set for my trades at the levels that I want. For a period of EIGHT HOURS lol ....
Are you aware how much more required to manipulate your vision of a real supermarket? It takes something between the ears to see the difference. Read my lips, it's crunch we're looking for, not lunch. Ryu learnt from Rick.
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  • #2,220
  • Jul 10, 2022 5:47am Jul 10, 2022 5:47am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
If F1 pilot is in the AIR, then something wrong happened with him. May be he forgot to check the weather conditions?

You are funny ryu, I am always in laughter reading your thoughts. I can take the p!ss out of you for my fun, but nicely.


Read my post again, I stated the weather changed AFTER the pilot is in the air.

And maybe if ryu is in the Control Tower he tells the pilot not to use his thousands of hours of experience to navigate the plane home safely.
ryu tells pilot you CANNOT fly plane now, impossible, you don't know the orderbook of the wind,
ryu tells pilot to jettison out of his million dollar airplane and just let it crash, and use his parachute to get home

come on ryu, do better sir, please
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