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  • #4,581
  • Oct 14, 2021 2:10pm Oct 14, 2021 2:10pm
MFF are pretty explicit and transparent about the 5% daily DD rule and there's nothing sneaky about it. If you can't abide by something as generous as 5% when it comes to managing risk then trading for a fund is most certainly not for you.
  • #4,582
  • Oct 14, 2021 2:14pm Oct 14, 2021 2:14pm
Oh dear. You should be informed about that. It maybe just the beginning of the end.

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  • #4,583
  • Oct 14, 2021 2:19pm Oct 14, 2021 2:19pm
Quoting navk
There is an announcement in Discord regarding payments from MFF in the future. Be aware
Please post more here, because I do not follow their Discord channel.
  • #4,584
  • Oct 14, 2021 2:54pm Oct 14, 2021 2:54pm
Quoting QAndy
{quote} Please post more here, because I do not follow their Discord channel.

So, even Qanon followers could see that there is some brigading going on.. Almost all the brigading reviews have the word FTMO in them and mention the daily drawdown.

It would be the same shit if everyone was brigading FTMO and saying MYFOREXFUNDS in the review and saying how news trading rule is cancer (I'm allowed to say that, I had cancer).

The ontario securities commission shit is a joke as well. They are hoping that enough people will see the review who failed and then they will report and hope to get some free money.

It actually is what happened to FT before they become popular and jessica had to declare herself a casino. There wasn't actually misdoings just some angry fuckheads with a telegram channel decided to mass report.

It will be more interesting if people reported FTMO to the European regulators. The laws they are breaking are far more severe than any canadian company, be it FT, MFF or TCF.

I think there is a legit review in there, maybe two, not sure but likely its people who failed. There was a guy who made money on first day in the evaluation live, asked for a payout, then wrote a scam review..... pretty smart. He didnt even have the account more than 48 hours... Of course he was a FT guy..

Bless their souls.

Edit: And right before my eyes trustpilot deleted like 4 of the bad reviews (likely the same person).
  • #4,585
  • Oct 14, 2021 3:50pm Oct 14, 2021 3:50pm
Quoting QAndy
Oh dear. You should be informed about that. It maybe just the beginning of the end. {image} {image} {image}
So he's been with MFF for three months and been denied every payout. I've been with MFF 3 months and NEVER been denied a payout. What do you think the difference is ?
  • #4,586
  • Oct 14, 2021 3:55pm Oct 14, 2021 3:55pm
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TRUST PILOT IS GOSPEL
  • #4,587
  • Oct 14, 2021 3:59pm Oct 14, 2021 3:59pm
Quoting Takisd
{image} TRUST PILOT IS GOSPEL
clearly not her imo, who d be that dumb lol..but says a lot about the type of reviews u see on there
  • #4,588
  • Oct 14, 2021 5:24pm Oct 14, 2021 5:24pm
Quoting Takisd
{image} TRUST PILOT IS GOSPEL
Hahaha god level troll whoever that miscreant is.
  • #4,589
  • Oct 14, 2021 6:06pm Oct 14, 2021 6:06pm
Quoting navk
There is an announcement in Discord regarding payments from MFF in the future. Be aware. "..We will be announcing an even greater option of payouts for all of you shortly. With Deel - you can withdraw via paypal, wise, revolut.."
Revolut?! Oh wow. Thats really nice..
  • #4,590
  • Oct 14, 2021 8:35pm Oct 14, 2021 8:35pm
Quoting QAndy
I do not follow their Discord channel.
-I would highly encourage you to take a look at their discord channel. You can see that payout proofs are posted by traders every single day (literally). They even have a channel dedicated for 5-figure payout proofs, which contradicts another claim by one of those trust pilot 'reviews'.

By checking out the discord, you can also see that there are no posts being made by people claiming that they are not getting paid. The reason for this, is because the person/people making such claims know that they would be immediately challenged on it.

The discord is full of active traders that can address any doubts that you may have.

I saw a fellow in a facebook group the other day asking whether or not MFF was a scam because he hadn't received his payout yet. It had been 3 days. The part that he failed to mention, was that he made the request during a holiday weekend. He ended up getting paid after the holiday was over. Go figure.

On sites like Trust Pilot and similar, random people can make any wild claims that they want while shaping the narrative entirely, all without any sort of burden of proof and with no one challenging them on their claims, whatsoever.

Better to practice good due diligence and common sense.
  • #4,591
  • Edited 1:29am Oct 15, 2021 12:59am | Edited 1:29am
Quoting Nsak3y
{quote}-So, I have been giving this some thought. Maybe some more knowledgeable people can shed some light. Are these 'accelerated' type programs potentially just a scam? On the surface, there is obvious benefit to having a larger account, where you can make use of more capital in order to get the most out of your money and minimize risk by using less leverage etc.. But what is to stop one of these firms by matching your buy-in, so-to-speak, and just throwing your money into a tiny account with higher leverage, without you knowing? It would like...
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Thanks so much for your comment. It opened my mind

Yes. You get nothing if you fail at level 10 as you generate 5% (100% your own ac) per level and pass level 9!

Or you have to share 50% while you can keep 100% if you trade your owner.

Can you double check if I'm missing something?
  • #4,592
  • Oct 15, 2021 5:40am Oct 15, 2021 5:40am
Sharing a list of non-retail "real" Proprietary Trading Firms (mostly US-based and UK-based), thinking it fits in this thread.

Listing of Proprietary Trading Firms

  1. 3Red Partners 3Red Partners bridges technology and trading. (Amsterdam, London, Chicago, New York, Singapore)
  2. Akuna Capital Akuna Capital is a fast-growing boutique trading house that specializes in derivative market-making and arbitrage. (Chicago)
  3. Allston Trading Allston Trading, LLC, is a premier market maker in worldwide financial exchanges. We trade hundreds of different stocks, bonds, futures, options and other financial instruments in over 30 exchanges. (Chicago)
  4. Amplify Trading Amplify Trading is a proprietary trading company specialising in the development of new trading talent offering direct experience in financial markets. (London, Madrid, Paris, Frankfurt, Brisbane)
  5. Avatar Securities Avatar Securities, LLC is a proprietary trading firm providing trading services for individual traders and large trading groups. Avatar specializes in direct market access, systematic, and algorithmic trading in equities and exchange listed options with robust trading floors in Manhattan, Chicago and a presence nationwide. (New York, Chicago). (New York, Chicago)
  6. Belvedere Trading Belvedere Trading is a proprietary trading firm specializing in equity index options. (Chicago)
  7. Bluefin Companies Bluefin Companies is a privately-owned multi-strategy trading firm. We are focused on seeking out trading and investment opportunities to grow our capital in the global financial markets. (New York, London, Chicago, Hong Kong)
  8. Breakwater Trading Breakwater is an agile, focused, proactive organization that strives to integrate technology with intelligence and market vision. (Chicago)
  9. Bright Trading Bright Trading, LLC is a professional, proprietary stock trading firm. We have hundreds of independent traders who trade from dozens of locations throughout the United States. In addition, our “Bright-At-Home” traders enjoy the benefits of proprietary trading from the comfort of their homes. (Las Vegas)
  10. Chicago Trading Company Chicago Trading Company (CTC) is a proprietary market making firm and is recognized internationally as a leading provider of pricing and liquidity on all U.S. derivatives exchanges. (Chicago, New York, London)
  11. Chopper Trading Driven by pioneering technology and research, Chopper Trading LLC’s multidisciplinary team of traders and analysts rapidly identify and capitalize on emerging opportunities. (Chicago, London, New York, Washington DC)
  12. DRW Trading Group The DRW Trading Group is an aggressive, dedicated organization engaged in many different aspects of the trading industry, including market making and proprietary trading. Offices in Chicago, New York and London.
  13. DV Trading Since 2006, our mission has been to adapt, innovate and evolve. In all aspects of our organization, it is a core belief that these three action words help define the roadmap to success. (Chicago, New York, Toronto)
  14. First New York First New York is a multi-strategy investment firm. Since its inception in 1986, First New York has been a preferred destination for portfolio managers seeking to partner in an opportunistic environment with a history of success. (New York, London)
  15. Flow Traders A leading global technology-enabled liquidity provider specialised in Exchange Traded Products (ETPs).
  16. Gelber Group – Gelber is a unique service provider for the individual professional trader, professional trading group, or institution. We have an unwavering focus on technology management and service, as we seek to expand our access to liquid electronic markets around the world. Gelber Group maintains the philosophy that clear communication and interaction bring successful trading results. (Chicago, Cranford NJ, Greenwich CT, San Diego, London, Schindellegi Switzerland)
  17. Geneva Trading – Geneva Trading is a proprietary electronic trading firm located in Chicago, Illinois USA and Dublin, Ireland. Focus is on electronically traded futures and equity markets in the USA and Europe. (Chicago, Dublin)
  18. Grace Hall Trading Grace Hall Trading is a proprietary trading firm specializing in transactional arbitrage, volatility arbitrage, and event driven trading. Based in Chicago and established in 2008 the firm utilizes cutting edge technology as it trades futures, equities, and equity options.
  19. Great Point Capital Great Point Capital is a FINRA registered trading firm, headquartered in Chicago.
  20. Group One Trading – Group One is one of the largest proprietary options trading firms in the country. (New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco)
  21. Hard Eight Trading Hard Eight Futures, LLC and Hard Eight Trading, LLC are proprietary trading firms headquartered in Chicago, Illinois. (Chicago)
  22. Hehmeyer Trading + Investments The people at Hehmeyer have provided clearing services, technology, and administrative support to principal based traders for decades. Our mission is to enable the success of our traders. (Chicago, New York)
  23. Hold Brothers – Proprietary Online Stock Trading.
  24. Hudson River Trading Hudson River Trading brings a scientific approach to trading financial products. We have built one of the world’s most sophisticated computing environments for research and development. (New York, Chicago, London, Shanghai, Singapore, Dublin, Austin)
  25. IMC Financial Markets – The IMC Group is a global financial organization with a presence in Amsterdam, London, New York, Chicago, Hong Kong, Sydney, and Zug.
  26. Integra Capital Integra Capital is a New York based proprietary trading firm and a division of T3 Trading Group. Integra is home to in-house and remote traders around the country. They provide capital leverage, professional trading platforms, and exceptional concierge service & support to active equities, options, and forex traders.
  27. Jane Street Jane Street is a quantitative trading firm with a unique focus on technology and collaborative problem solving. (New York, Chicago, London, and Tokyo)
  28. Jump Trading – Jump Trading, LLC is a proprietary trading firm, focused on trading index futures, options, and equities. Because we are not a brokerage firm, we do not have clients. Revenues come solely from trading Jump’s proprietary account. Jump Trading is a member of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME), the Chicago Board of Trade (CBOT), the Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE), and the American Stock Exchange (AMEX). Jump is also a non-clearing member of the European Exchange (Eurex). (Chicago, London, Singapore)
  29. Kershner Trading Group – Since 1993, Kershner Trading has been built on the idea of shared success. We are a classic proprietary trading business providing full service, support and capital to our traders, including state-of-the-art proprietary technology applications with direct access to US markets. Our traders currently trade in our Austin, Tx office, however we are always interested in hearing from groups of successful traders in other locations. Member NASD, SEC registered.
  30. League Trading Originally concentrating on agricultural products and the newly emerging options trade, League Trading is now dedicated to developing proprietary relationships with both experienced and novice traders in options and futures. (Chicago)
  31. Mako Group Mako Group is a global diversified financial company comprising sales, trading and investment management.
  32. Marquette Partners – Marquette Partners is a leading liquidity provider to the world’s largest derivatives exchanges. As an early pioneer in electronic futures trading, Marquette has successfully developed individuals to trade on exchanges throughout the globe, including the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, the Chicago Board of Trade, Eurex, Euronext-Paris, Euronext-LIFFE and Borsa Italia. (Chicago)
  33. Optiver – Optiver is an international proprietary trading house dealing mainly in derivatives, shares and bonds. The firm has expanded from a few Amsterdam based market makers to a global arbitrage group with subsidiaries in Chicago and Sydney.
  34. Peak6 Trading – One of the largest equity options market-making firms in the U.S. (Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, New York)
  35. Positive Equity Limited Positive Equity was founded in 2008 and focuses on discipline, hard work and innovation in strategies and products for success. We trade futures and equities. We hire both experienced traders and trainees who are prepared to work hard for long-term success.
  36. Prime Trading, LLC Prime Trading, LLC is geared to the serious trading professional who is eager to take their craft to the next level. We are a Chicago-based proprietary trading firm with global ties to Europe, Asia, and South America, assuring that our traders have a solid international base for maximum earnings potential.
  37. Ronin Capital – Proprietary trading operations covering a variety of markets including equity securities, government bonds, corporate bonds, and related derivatives on global exchanges and electronically.
  38. Savius, LLC Savius, LLC is a boutique proprietary trading firm with headquarters in Chicago and traders in the US and Europe.
  39. Seven Points Capital Seven Points Capital established trading floors in 4 cities across the US and our first international office in Toronto, Canada. (New York, New Jersey, Florida, California, Toronto)
  40. SMB Capital – SMB Capital, LLC is a privately owned investment partnership engaged in day trading NYSE and NASDAQ equities.
  41. Schonfeld Group Schonfeld Securities, LLC pioneered the short term trading industry when it began operations in 1988. It is one of the largest U.S. proprietary equity trading firms in terms of number of traders and volume traded on the NYSE and NASDAQ.
  42. Simplex Investments – Chicago based off-floor proprietary trading firm focused on the active trader.
  43. Susquehanna International Group (SIG) Susquehanna International Group is global quantitative trading firm that has built virtually all of their own trading technology from scratch. SIG’s traders compete in the financial markets by leveraging their quantitative skills to take calculated risks with SIG’s proprietary capital. They have a best-in-class trader development program. The firm’s success lies at the intersection of trading, quantitative, and technology.
  44. Tibra Capital A global prop firm specialising in market making and arbitrage. (Chicago, London, Amsterdam, Hong Kong, Sydney, Wollongong)
  45. TopstepTrader TopstepTrader invites you to experience the power of our trading Combine. We are financially backing consistent, profitable, and disciplined futures traders.
  46. Tower Research Capital Founded in 1998 by Mark Gorton, Tower Research Capital is a trading and technology company that has built some of the fastest, most sophisticated electronic trading platforms in the world. (Chicago, London, New York, Charleston, Singapore, Hong Kong)
  47. TradeLink TradeLink Holdings LLC (“TradeLink”) is a diversified alternative investment and proprietary trading firm founded in 1979 by Walt Weissman. The firm is engaged in securities, futures, options and commodities trading. TradeLink’s focus is the design and implementation of quantitative models that draw on the firm’s considerable expertise in trading, research, and technology. (Chicago, London)
  48. Trade Vision Capital Trade Vision Capital provides its customers with the highest end order entry software available. It is the only software to receive the NASD’s platinum certification.
  49. Transmarket Group TransMarket Group LLC is a global private trading and investment company. Provide risk capital and market access to individuals for the purpose of trading the global financial markets. Employees trade all global exchange listed derivatives, equities, commodities and selected cash markets. (London, Madrid, Mumbai, New York, Singapore, Sydney)
  50. Trillium Trading Trillium Trading L.L.C. is a premier proprietary trading firm that excels in short term equity trading, and portfolio management. (New York, Edison NJ, Princeton NJ, Miami FL)
  51. VIRTU Financial As a leading provider of financial services and products, we leverage cutting-edge technology to deliver liquidity to the global markets and innovative, transparent trading solutions to our clients. (Chicago, London, Madrid, Mumbai, New York, Singapore, Sydney)
  52. WH Trading WH Trading LLC is a proprietary futures, options and equities trading firm headquartered in Chicago, IL. Founded in 1994, WH Trading currently serves as a primary liquidity provider on the floor of the major Chicago futures exchanges and also as an exchange designated Lead Market Maker for electronically traded products in a variety of asset classes. (Chicago, London)
  53. Wolverine Trading Wolverine is headquartered in Chicago and has offices in New York, San Francisco, Philadelphia and London.
  54. XR Trading XR Trading is a proprietary trading firm. We design and build cutting-edge technology and serve as a leader in the global derivatives marketplace. We employ a team-based approach and leverage our technology and core competencies across a wide array of asset classes.

    (as found @ https://www.traderslog.com/proprietarytradingfirms)

  • #4,593
  • Oct 15, 2021 7:06am Oct 15, 2021 7:06am
Quoting tradista
Sharing a list of non-retail "real" Proprietary Trading Firms (mostly US-based and UK-based), thinking it fits in this thread. Listing of Proprietary Trading Firms 3Red Partners 3Red Partners bridges technology and trading. (Amsterdam, London, Chicago, New York, Singapore) Akuna Capital Akuna Capital is a fast-growing boutique trading house that specializes in derivative market-making and arbitrage. (Chicago) Allston Trading...
Only clicked on a few. Sure looks like I'll have quite a commute vs. what I have now. Is there a filter we could apply with "work from home in your underwear"?
  • #4,594
  • Oct 15, 2021 7:19am Oct 15, 2021 7:19am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Only clicked on a few. Sure looks like I'll have quite a commute vs. what I have now. Is there a filter we could apply with "work from home in your underwear"?
Compared to what youre working on now? Its not worth it Pip
  • #4,595
  • Oct 15, 2021 7:36am Oct 15, 2021 7:36am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Only clicked on a few. Sure looks like I'll have quite a commute vs. what I have now. Is there a filter we could apply with "work from home in your underwear"?
sure makes you appreciate more what our hated-vs-beloved online pseudo-prop firms are allowing many to achieve in re to lifestyle and freedom!
  • #4,596
  • Oct 15, 2021 7:59am Oct 15, 2021 7:59am
I know a chap who works at Peak6. Its no joke, he was nearly cut loose as he was "in over his head" (his words). He muscled through it and has been there for the past 4 years. Had to learn VWAP and master DOM ladder.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #4,597
  • Edited Oct 16, 2021 5:29am Oct 15, 2021 8:15am | Edited Oct 16, 2021 5:29am
Quoting tradista
Sharing a list of non-retail "real" Proprietary Trading Firms (mostly US-based and UK-based), thinking it fits in this thread. Listing of Proprietary Trading Firms 3Red Partners 3Red Partners bridges technology and trading. (Amsterdam, London, Chicago, New York, Singapore) Akuna Capital Akuna Capital is a fast-growing boutique trading house that specializes in derivative market-making and arbitrage. (Chicago) Allston Trading...

Now it gets more interesting with real prop firms. On Futures and Forex you do not need capital because there is already enough leverage on a normal broker you get. But on stocks you need some leverage of course. So best would be with Bright trading, the former Goldman Sachs employee, or smarter.trading or fondexx.com for smaller account sizes at the beginning.

For stocks trading:
https://stocktrading.com/ ($25k min. deposit, you need a SIE etc. license here, it is in the USA and they are restrictive, you need at least 25k to 50k as I heard)
https://www.smarter.trading/ ($5k min. dep. + $1k min. commission monthly, you need some trading volume here, leverage is 100:1 intraday and 10:1 overnight)
https://fondexx.pro/ ($700 min. deposit and no minimum commissions volume, only $40 monthly for lowest platform, the least requirements I found)

If someone prefers the broker structure, insted of a prop firm, but still wants good leverage, you can get it here too :
https://alarictrader.com/ (€5k needed, up to 10:1 overnight and 40:1 intraday leverage for larger accounts, located Bulgaria EU)
https://www.tvmarkets.com/ (starts from $3k, up to 30:1 intraday and 6:1 overnight leverage, located Cayman Islands)
https://greatpointcapital.com/what-w...etary-trading/ (located in US, but $5mm needed to get decent leverage as broker)

Happy trading.
  • #4,598
  • Oct 15, 2021 8:23am Oct 15, 2021 8:23am
We are looking for a new FX Traders to enhance our in-market diversification.

Traders must have at least 1 year experience in FX Trading.

Contacts: [email protected]
  • #4,599
  • Edited 8:54am Oct 15, 2021 8:39am | Edited 8:54am
Quoting PropManager
We are looking for a new FX Traders to enhance our in-market diversification. Traders must have at least 1 year experience in FX Trading. Contacts: [email protected]
Could you tell us more here please ?

Is there a salary or only profit share ?
Does one need to put in capital ?
Do you need a track record, or can anyone show his ability to trade ?

Thanks.
  • #4,600
  • Oct 15, 2021 9:13am Oct 15, 2021 9:13am
Quoting Cryptosurf
I know a chap who works at Peak6. Its no joke, he was nearly cut loose as he was "in over his head" (his words). He muscled through it and has been there for the past 4 years. Had to learn VWAP and master DOM ladder.

As with Propex (who I worked with) DOM trading is encouraged as you can become a market maker that way and the prop firm gets a rebate from the exchange for providing liquidity. The majority of orders in DOM centric funds HAS to be a limit otherwise they throw you to the dogs.

I suspect that the majority of people here don't know how to trade strictly with limits and 5-10 times a day and not hold overnight even on FX futures. Which would fit the profile of most futures firms. I was trading 5 yr and 10 yr treasuries and finding the 5-10 limits per day was painful, to the point you had to throw trades in or grid trades to get the volume in. It certainly wasn't easy, i made a little bit of money from it but nothing like I am making with the FX prop firms because the reactive type of trader I am doesn't fit in with spreading treasuries or stacking limits.

I gave up on it in the end as it was pay bills but the pain to get above that was becoming too much when a broker sales desk paid me 3x and I didn't have to kill myself for pennies. The guys who had lasted the distance had the product pick of the litter and earning your stripes was in the treasuries desk. If you lasted the 2 or 3 yrs you could ask them to change to another product but by the time you reach that point you are a hyper aggressive person who is either addicted to coffee or addicted to coke. There is no calmity in a futures firm.

That being said, legit as it gets.
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