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  • #281
  • Aug 7, 2021 1:11am Aug 7, 2021 1:11am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi Andy, spot on correct. Every move after that moment is "noise" to confuse traders what the algo's intention is. For algo traders we knew where the target is on that day that is 6 days into the future. That's why I wrote FA and TA is useless because the algo moved so many pips down south but these useless analysis didn't know nothing about what is going to happen. Traders only knew it when price approach the target that can be visually seen on the chart. Only when traders see the volume data they try guess what's about to happen. Traders...
Thanks BW
The job of the trader is to declutter the mind, stand back and look at the painfully obvious.
I would hazard a guess that 95% or more believe they are trading a real market based on fundamentals and supply and demand.
95% or greater is mentioned elsewhere in Forex.., the two go hand in hand.
  • #282
  • Aug 7, 2021 1:35am Aug 7, 2021 1:35am
Quoting moodybot
{quote} Bilal On the 29th July the new cycle started for Gold. The reason for the big move, to set targets for for the subsequent move down. From the moment the move up started, the targets were already known, set by the Algo. In due course the data demonstrated on the chart would appear to follow Fundamental or technical analysis. Voodoo! Price would move up/down/sideways undercover of news but absolutely at a time when set by the Algo, price will move systematically to the target/s. And that’s it. Completely artificial. M.
Hi Andy

Thank you for taking time and mentioning about cycles, please allow me to ask questions if you can guide me either here or on some other platform it would be great, i am not among the lazy ones.

how will we identify a cycle is started and what will be its target as per your understanding because if i see H4 TF cycle can be started on 15.07 rather 29.07 and if i go to D1 TF cycle perhaps started back on 16.09.2020. and what if the NFP news goes against USD algo will follow the fundamental, and we may see a new cycle started, just a guess.

to my understanding Algo, (i may be wrong) is the way it moves/behaves and what it does intra-day i.e., stop hunts, following the fundamentals, like when we wear socks/joggers and getting ready others can predict we are going for a run, same way algo leaves foot prints.

What ever name we call it algo, fundamental, SnD, Elliot waves, harmonics, order block important is how well we learn to trade it.

BW knows well before time the exact pips yet he finds it difficult to trade for a living, i am just learning & learning by sharing (so people can confront me and i learn more) on my own i dont say i know that much, but important is how we trade it as knowing is not enough. BW (please forgive me i didnt mean to insult or any thing bad on you)

stay blessed everyone and happy weekend.

Kind regards
bilal
"Exchange of hands"
  • #283
  • Edited 4:14am Aug 7, 2021 1:44am | Edited 4:14am
Quoting bilal1947
{quote} Hi Andy Thank you for taking time and mentioning about cycles, please allow me to ask questions if you can guide me either here or on some other platform it would be great, i am not among the lazy ones. how will we identify a cycle is started and what will be its target as per your understanding because if i see H4 TF cycle can be started on 15.07 rather 29.07 and if i go to D1 TF cycle perhaps started back on 16.09.2020. and what if the NFP news goes against USD algo will follow the fundamental, and we may see a new...
Hi Bilal,
There are 2 dates. So which is correct ?

15.07 mark the algo level.
29.07 confirms the algo intention.

The 2nd date is more important.
***trader has to compare price to math valuation model to determine intention.

That's why I wrote about both, algo level and algo intention.
I also wrote a separate post about the importance of intention which is more important than level.
Without knowledge of intention levels are useless.
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...2#post13657232

Quoting bilal1947
and what if the NFP news goes against USD algo will follow the fundamental,and we may see a new cycle started, just a guess.
NFP or similar red news release has limited impact on algo intention mostly creating "noise" that confuse traders. To change, it has to be black swan type news.

What you "see" on h4 chart is visually visible to the trader after the event. Even within every trading day there are 2 similar algo levels and algo intention that happens everyday. Right down to 1m chart. That's the one that very few traders(0.01%) "see".

The trader(0.01%) who masters the art of reading algo intention has mastered the art of trading.

I am on the way but not there yet.

I will never trade forex for a living.
I wrote this post to explain the reason.
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...7#post13653807
Know what you trade
  • #284
  • Aug 7, 2021 1:45am Aug 7, 2021 1:45am
Quoting bilal1947
{quote} Hi Rick How are you Thanks for sharing, but i humbly disagree as entries are always at stop hunts only, we have to see what market structure is in play and external/internal range stop hunts should be our entries always, its like tape reading. I didnt see George touch these things may be not in public but in his inner circle only. Below are charts before YL stop hunt and what happened afterwards, one has to stay focused on Gold or Dollar index first to get the direction to trade other pairs (though i was asleep during that...
Hi Bilal

Sorry for getting your name misspelled, I was posting on my phone.
I think we see the same thing so not sure want we are disagreeing on but you can give me a hard time anytime you like.

I think your charts back up what I was saying - that liquidity is mostly sits before it hits the stop loss area when viewed on a chart.
Here is your chart and just what I see every day.

I am not commenting on trade entry, just where the volume of liquidity sits on a chart.


Cheers Rick
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Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
  • #285
  • Aug 7, 2021 1:51am Aug 7, 2021 1:51am
Quoting bilal1947
{quote} Hi Andy Thank you for taking time and mentioning about cycles, please allow me to ask questions if you can guide me either here or on some other platform it would be great, i am not among the lazy ones. how will we identify a cycle is started and what will be its target as per your understanding because if i see H4 TF cycle can be started on 15.07 rather 29.07 and if i go to D1 TF cycle perhaps started back on 16.09.2020. and what if the NFP news goes against USD algo will follow the fundamental, and we may see a new cycle started, just...
Hi Bilal
Whichever timeframe you use, look to a higher frame and look for a consistent move over a given time period.
Only took me 10 years to fathom out part of what’s happening.
I think BW is a lot further down the road.
  • #286
  • Aug 7, 2021 2:01am Aug 7, 2021 2:01am
Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi Bilal Sorry for getting your name misspelled, I was posting on my phone. I think we see the same thing so not sure want we are disagreeing on but you can give me a hard time anytime you like. I think your charts back up what I was saying - that liquidity is mostly sits before it hits the stop loss area when viewed on a chart. Here is your chart and just what I see every day. I am not commenting on trade entry, just where the volume of liquidity sits on a chart. Cheers Rick {image}
Hi Rick

Hahah no worries it was just the fourth time so i thought to correct it

i didn't mean to confront you infact you are the GURU and it is good i am aligning with you it is an honor for me but perhaps the language/terminologies we use are difference where you do understand mine but i am fairly new, like how did you measure the liquidity 75%, 5%, and 20%, what the first arrow pointing a candle, and for me stop loss/equal highs/lows is the liquidity but you mention them as separate thing ...

regards
bilal
"Exchange of hands"
  • #287
  • Aug 7, 2021 2:09am Aug 7, 2021 2:09am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi Bilal, There are 2 dates. So which is correct ? 15.07 mark the algo level. 29.07 confirms the algo intention. The 2nd date is more important. That's why I wrote about both, algo level and algo intention. I also wrote a separate post about the importance of intention which is more important than level. Without knowledge of intention levels are useless. https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...2#post13657232 {quote} NFP or similar red news release has limited impact on algo intention mostly creating "noise" that confuse...
Hi BW

Thank you BW for sharing your thought now i am a bit getting the levels and intention, here is the chart and my confusion about the intent.

why 20.07 or 04.07 the green bullish candle is not the intent, why 29.09 is the intent. please guide me.

one more question why we not see as an intention on 28.07 to go bullish towards 1850?

thank you so much

regards
bilal
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  • #288
  • Aug 7, 2021 2:10am Aug 7, 2021 2:10am
Quoting Rmg
Super duper alien master algo levels are very surprisingly happened to be prior swing highs and lows, especially prior sessions highs and lows.
The question is, when will they receive a visit.
And a super duper alien fundamental supply and demand fairy tale isn’t going to tell you.
  • #289
  • Aug 7, 2021 2:11am Aug 7, 2021 2:11am
This is the holy grail of forex trading.

Quoting GEfx
The real super power, is making the trades, and sticking with them to targets.
Quoting BWilliam
Even if the trader knows price intent he must have the guts to believe in what he knows. This "guts" is the Holy grail of Forex trading. Price levels and price intent can be taught. But guts is a different thing altogether. It determines how much money you make from what you know. Guts is everything. Without guts, everything else is moot. Blessed are those who have big b....
Knowledge of algo intention only get you two thirds there.

Ofc without it trader is not there at all.

That's the brutal truth of forex trading.
Know what you trade
  • #290
  • Aug 7, 2021 2:20am Aug 7, 2021 2:20am
Quoting BWilliam
This is the holy grail of forex trading. {quote} {quote} Knowledge of algo intention only get you two thirds there. Ofc without it trader is not there at all. That's the brutal truth of forex trading.
Absolutely.
To hold trades to target… with the ebb and flow of the Algo set to deceive, not easy.
  • #291
  • Edited 3:37am Aug 7, 2021 2:28am | Edited 3:37am
Quoting bilal1947
{quote} Hi BW Thank you BW for sharing your thought now i am a bit getting the levels and intention, here is the chart and my confusion about the intent. why 20.07 or 04.07 the green bullish candle is not the intent, why 29.09 is the intent. please guide me. one more question why we not see as an intention on 28.07 to go bullish towards 1850? thank you so much regards bilal {image}
20.07 This move has not confirmed intention. It's just "noise" and anything can still happen.

04.08 This move is AFTER 29.07. This move does not show anything that can change the intention set on 29.07.

Quoting bilal1947
one more question why we not see as an intention on 28.07 to go bullish towards 1850? thank you so much regards bilal {image}
Good question.

Because the algo intention is not to go bullish.
This is why knowledge of intention is the key knowledge.

Traders who don't have knowledge of algo levels and intention must naturally think price is bullish going towards 1850 and further north.
This is the only possible interpretation.
This same bullish north move can happen on 29.07 or 04.08 or even 20.07.
Which is unfortunately wrong.

This is why I wrote big balls is the holy grail of forex trading. To remain calm, logical and rationale to look at algo move price to the very edge in a "bluff" call to cause extreme fear to the traders.

Ofc if the traders knowledge and skill about algo level and intention is solid then he naturally has bigger balls than without knowledge.
Know what you trade
  • #292
  • Aug 7, 2021 2:42am Aug 7, 2021 2:42am
Quoting Rmg
{quote} Fairy tale supply and demand rectangle drawn at prior sessions highs or lows accepts or rejects price 95% of the time at next session opening.
Whatever works for you.Trade it.
  • #293
  • Aug 7, 2021 2:45am Aug 7, 2021 2:45am
Quoting moodybot
{quote} Whatever works for you.Trade it.
... with big balls and no regrets.
Know what you trade
  • #294
  • Edited 4:24am Aug 7, 2021 2:50am | Edited 4:24am
Next week targets:
GU: 1.37500
GN: 1.99100
GA: 1.89300
GJ: 151.700
NU: 0.69500
Gold: 1800
EU: 1.8500
UC: 1.24500
These are minimum targets
See you next week
Good luck
edited: some of them needs time confirmation. Monday is the confirmation day.
  • #295
  • Aug 7, 2021 2:52am Aug 7, 2021 2:52am
Quoting Rmg
Try not to participate but monkey goes wild at the weekend .
Every forum has one.. although one has been MIA for a while.
  • #296
  • Aug 7, 2021 4:12am Aug 7, 2021 4:12am
Quoting moodybot
{quote} Every forum has one.. although one has been MIA for a while.
The one has been very busy at day job, also transforming as a smart trader and couldn’t keep his nose away from forum BS.
on a postive roll...
  • #297
  • Aug 7, 2021 5:02am Aug 7, 2021 5:02am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} This I don't get. If anyone don't enjoy reading the forum or don't enjoy interacting with other members or think the discussion is all bs, why bother? Why bother about other "people" ? Wtf care about other "people"? When all we should care about is improving ourselves and make money. If traders get affected reading other "people's" posts, then he must be badly affected getting screwed by the real market. Htf can such a member be good at trading ? This is the weekend. Breathe the air, enjoy the sun, walk the dog. Cheers
Enjoy reading the posts except the super algo concept,
Which is BS to me, going to work now hope you're walking your dog now.
I am not good at trading yet this ego monkey not allowing that easy but getting closer though.
on a postive roll...
  • #298
  • Aug 7, 2021 5:08am Aug 7, 2021 5:08am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Perhaps you skip posts made by our group of algo traders.
Will do .
on a postive roll...
  • #299
  • Edited 8:01am Aug 7, 2021 5:54am | Edited 8:01am
Quoting Rmg
{quote} Enjoy reading the posts except the super algo concept, Which is BS to me, going to work now hope you're walking your dog now. I am not good at trading yet this ego monkey not allowing that easy but getting closer though.
No, super algo is not true. It is myth.
Don't trust MoodyBoot, TimeTells and RickM or BWilliam.

Better term is ONE CONDUCTOR to avoid negativity in our analysis.

George calli it blessing in disguise because the market is open play for all participant.

It is OURS best friend not worst enemy.
BWilliam is correct that THE GUT is last anchor of trading result.

This GUT factor is my problem even 11 month trading get 91% strike rate. (w/o use entry filter/price filter).

Never entri above 0.10 lot because 'self doubt'
Wkwkwkwkk

I think if one reading MoodyBoot, TimeTell, RickM, Don Pato, Bionics, Djamal Fractalfreak and OFC George thread 'Price action At Core, one will greatly improve their result IN CONSISTENCY

John Safron a.k.a Captain Jack (R.I.P) also advice the same concept

Its difficult to accept because the One Conductor is Sathosi Nakamoto. Its more difficult because we accept that the forex is represented to be a true decentralized market,

While in actual, IT IS CENTRALIZED from ionosfer. by optimust Prime.

The abstraction is not easy to accept because our auction market theory, orderflow and 'powerful' supply demand trading ingrained so deep.

We often forget that they are symtomps

George said it best : TRADE WITH VISION

INTENT AND LEVEL (stack up and stack down TARGET MTF).

Question remain,
How to improve my GUT ... Mr. BWilliam ?

I hope i don't spam this thread
Happy Peepz All
  • #300
  • Aug 7, 2021 7:32am Aug 7, 2021 7:32am
Quoting deanyakobs
Question remain, How to improve my GUT ... Mr. BWilliam ? I hope i don't spam this thread Happy Peepz All
Bang, I also have no bola.

When I succeed to complete my current big bola project I share on this thread the solution.

So wish me luck. And lots of big bola.
Know what you trade
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