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OnlineAddict
May 26, 2020 10:21pm
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Quoting dab
{quote} What is this virus you speak of with .1 to .2% mortality? Covid mortality currently tracking at over 6% from https://www.covid-19canada.com/ per attached screenshot {image}
No, it doesn't. You need to include those who didn't get tested and only think have a light flu and also the asymptomatic ones, who also don't go to go tested. In some tests in "closed up" places, they found up to 96% of all cases as asymptomatic. So for 30-50 tested ones, out of which 6% die, as you said, which would be 2+- deaths, there are 950-970 ones who never take the test, but are infected, too. So now you have 2 deaths out of 1000 people.

And that even isn't all of it. Many corona deaths in the statistics weren't exclusively corona deaths either. Many people who were already dying from other deadly ilnesses, ended up in the corona column, even though they were dying from other things.

So the numbers would look totally different, if they were real(whole planet having a test).
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Jugoslavija
May 26, 2020 11:14am
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@realDonaldTrump

China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!

4:18 PM · Jan 24, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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Jugoslavija
May 26, 2020 12:35pm
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Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} Yes and they only declared 3000 + casualties ( collateral damage ) Wake up and smell the coffee ! If China was honest and open with the world about the " true number " , then ,without a doubt the hostilities and anger would not be vented by many countries . Don't try and blame Trump for this one . I'm not a fan of his ( at all ) but on this occasion he's correct imo
Check again when Trump tweeted that.There were no mass casualties at the time.Some countries,like Germany,Austria,Russia and India listened and prepared for calamity.Some countries were reckless,like USA,Brazil,UK,Sweden... and suffered great loss of life.
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Jugoslavija
May 26, 2020 2:24pm
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Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} You are only guessing, it looks like. When Italy was already hit and people were on lockdown, people in Germany and Austria were acting like nothing was going on...streets were full of people, sport events were full, restaurant, bars, everything. NOTHING was done at all, nowhere! And Russia and India were prepared also? Another joke?
I live next to northern Italy and Austria.It wasn't like you are assuming.We and Austria were really serious about this epidemic and protected our people.We suffered 10 times less death per 1Mil. people than Italians.In my region some 200 kilometres from Italian border we didn't have single death all this time.
What you are describing was actually true for UK and USA.I remember back in March,we discussed at home if Brits are completely out of their minds.
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ondskap
May 26, 2020 4:10pm
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Meanwhile, another 50000 people died today worldwide due to heart disease, 25000 from cancer, many of those people also had covid.. guess they all died from covid
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S1mple
May 26, 2020 9:41pm
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I am a chinese
I just say one thing:
You guys dont even wear masks and talk about covid19 death number.
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mrlfx
May 27, 2020 4:35am
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Not wearing mask means you have freedom! freedom of what? freedom to infect others or get infected yourself.. your comment is actually a stupid comment.
Also, the origin of the virus is not yet known. You are concluding the virus originated in Wuhan not based on complete facts but conspiracy theories. China think the virus originated from Fort detrick biolab. The virus was detected first in Wuhan in late december, but NJ mayor Michael Melham has the virus in nov. Similarly. many italians, swedish and french has the virus in oct. So, you tell how the virus originated in China with timelines?
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OnlineAddict
May 26, 2020 2:10pm
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Quoting Jugoslavija
{quote} Social distancing and closure of international borders and air travel,I guess.And stockpiling protective equipment,probably.
You are only guessing, it looks like. When Italy was already hit and people were on lockdown, people in Germany and Austria were acting like nothing was going on...streets were full of people, sport events were full, restaurant, bars, everything. NOTHING was done at all, nowhere! And Russia and India were prepared also? Another joke?
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OnlineAddict
May 26, 2020 2:38pm
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Quoting Jugoslavija
{quote} I live next to northern Italy and Austria.It wasn't like you are assuming.We and Austria were really serious about this epidemic and protected our people.We suffered 10 times less death per 1Mil. people than Italians.In my region some 200 kilometres from Italian border we didn't have single death all this time. What you are describing was actually true for UK and USA.I remember back in March,we discussed at home if Brits are completely out of their minds.
Dude, I am in Austria and I am "on" german TV all the time, so I was following what was happening there, too. Plus, what people were telling me what was going on in Germany. No social distancing, no rules, no closing down anything. People actually made fun of those who were wearing masks outside. Everything they did, they did too late, even later than Italy. Unfortunately for Italy, the country was broke long time ago...bad healthcare and an old population, they have trouble with regular flu every year also.

Austria did much better than Germany and handled everything sooner and more responsible. Remember how Merkel said that everyone will get sick, anyway, so why bother doing something?
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OnlineAddict
May 26, 2020 3:11pm — Edited
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Quoting Jugoslavija
{quote} And the consequences are:my country 50 dead per 1 Mil.,Austria 50% more than us,Germany 50 % more than Austria,Italy 1000% more than my country and we are neighbouring their hardest hit regions.Moral of the story: put people first,economy second.Don't elect pathological liars as your leaders(Tramp,Merkel,Johnson,Macron,all Italian leaders since long time).
Its hard to tell whats working and what not, which numbers are real and which are manipulated. 70% from NY hospital cases were people who were quarantined at home. So even staying locked up didn't help them. People are more important, obviously...but without a working economy, we would all die. There would be no supplies of anything eventually. And no jobs, no money, no nothing. Far worse than a virus with a 0.1-0.2% mortality rate.

Only time will tell what country or countries handled it the best. I hope there won't be a second wave in autumn, because that would be a distaster for world economy and food supply.
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Banditten
May 26, 2020 2:24pm
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Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} You are only guessing, it looks like. When Italy was already hit and people were on lockdown, people in Germany and Austria were acting like nothing was going on...streets were full of people, sport events were full, restaurant, bars, everything. NOTHING was done at all, nowhere! And Russia and India were prepared also? Another joke?
The lock down came in different times in different countries. Once the Corona hit it got bad but nobody really knew what to wait for. Just a couple of weeks before Corona was starting to go bad authorities in Denmark tols people not to stay home from their skiing vacation. Just go was the message. 3 weeks later Italy and Austria was a mess and borders closed.

I live in London and they were very late in understanding the seriousness of this. Massive tourists touring and restaurents fully booked.

In any case. We all know that China handled this profesionally and by the book. WHO already confirmed this. UP MY ASS. I am niot very often on Trump´s side but on this I am. There is no doubt that China was playing us. WHO doesnt have the guts to tell it. Lets get out. Lets find something that works.
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Banditten
May 27, 2020 5:05am
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Quoting mrlfx
{quote} Not wearing mask means you have freedom! freedom of what? freedom to infect others or get infected yourself.. your comment is actually a stupid comment. Also, the origin of the virus is not yet known. You are concluding the virus originated in Wuhan not based on complete facts but conspiracy theories. China think the virus originated from Fort detrick biolab. The virus was detected first in Wuhan in late december, but NJ mayor Michael Melham has the virus in nov. Similarly. many italians, swedish and french has the virus in oct. So, you...
I will eat my old straw-hat as we say in Denmark if this virus originated from anywhere outside China.
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Jugoslavija
May 26, 2020 1:59pm
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Quoting Guest
{quote} Curious now. What specifically was done by these counties in preparation that resulted in reduction of the loss of life?
Social distancing and closure of international borders and air travel,I guess.And stockpiling protective equipment,probably.
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Jugoslavija
May 26, 2020 2:58pm — Edited
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Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} Dude, I am in Austria and I am "on" german TV all the time, so I was following what was happening there, too. Plus, what people were telling me what was going on in Germany. No social distancing, no rules, no closing down anything. People actually made fun of those who were wearing masks outside. Everything they did, they did too late, even later than Italy. Unfortunately for Italy, the country was broke long time ago...bad healthcare and an old population, they have trouble with regular flu every year also. Austria did much better...
And the consequences are:my country 50 dead per 1 Mil.,Austria 50% more than us,Germany 50 % more than Austria,Italy 1000% more than my country and we are neighbouring their hardest hit regions.Moral of the story: put people first,economy second.Don't elect pathological liars as your leaders(Trump,Merkel,Johnson,Macron,all Italian leaders since long time).
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Jugoslavija
May 26, 2020 3:45pm
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People just need to be reasonable and disciplined.Lockdown must be timely (not the case in UK,USA,Brazil...),well organized and short(to prevent widespread contagion ,saturation of health services and destruction of economy).
About second wave,we will see this Autumn.If nothing else we will have more protective equipment and more experienced leaders.
At least here in Europe we have strategic food and fuel supplies exactly for such situations.Nobody will die of hunger.
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dab
May 26, 2020 8:52pm
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Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} Its hard to tell whats working and what not, which numbers are real and which are manipulated. 70% from NY hospital cases were people who were quarantined at home. So even staying locked up didn't help them. People are more important, obviously...but without a working economy, we would all die. There would be no supplies of anything eventually. And no jobs, no money, no nothing. Far worse than a virus with a 0.1-0.2% mortality rate. Only time will tell what country or countries handled it the best. I hope there won't be a second wave in...
What is this virus you speak of with .1 to .2% mortality?
Covid mortality currently tracking at over 6% from https://www.covid-19canada.com/ per attached screenshot
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dab
May 27, 2020 6:19pm
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Quoting mic6399
{quote} For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
I had a look at that link and there's lots of info (I only skimmed it) but a search doesn't have .26 anywhere. 26 shows up three times but only re hospitalisation ratios so I'm in the dark as to where you got that figure.
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dab
May 27, 2020 6:48pm
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Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} No, it doesn't. You need to include those who didn't get tested and only think have a light flu and also the asymptomatic ones, who also don't go to go tested. In some tests in "closed up" places, they found up to 96% of all cases as asymptomatic. So for 30-50 tested ones, out of which 6% die, as you said, which would be 2+- deaths, there are 950-970 ones who never take the test, but are infected, too. So now you have 2 deaths out of 1000 people. And that even isn't all of it. Many corona deaths in the statistics weren't exclusively...
"some tests", "closed up places" - closed up places is not representative of everywhere and it's only been in some tests yet you want to use those numbers to make an estimate? Look, I agree the numbers I quoted aren't accurate because of not everyone getting tested but it can go the other way and numbers go up because people are still dying as well. Whilst there would be people who had other illnesses who ended up in corona column do you think it doesn't go the other way as well? Who's to say they wouldn't have been saved from those other illnesses. The whole thing is a complete clusterf%$k so many things aren't known.

From the list of 100 countries with most confirmed cases only 3 have a mortality rate less than .26%. That's a LOT of places doing it wrong if you are to believe you're very low figure, including many who have tested pretty well or done lockdowns to minimise the spread. Then you've got places where hospitals getting overloaded has meant people have died that could have been saved if there was enough equipment. These skew the number up but that needs to be considered if trying to work out mortality rate rather than just a figure of what is maybe should be.

6+% from confirmed cases is the best we have to go on at the moment. I expect that number to come down but not to .26%.
(We haven't even discussed suggestions that China's death numbers are too low based on some reports that morgues were working overtime and would have to be processing way more than that number of bodies. Same problem would exist in North Korea and probably other countries where the government doesn't want people to know the full extent of the problem.)
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seaman2
May 26, 2020 5:50pm
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and noone mentions Vietnam, true magic, no death, next to china. Many mediocre countries tap themselves and claim to be the best handlers of corona. Sure they hear this in church. I think they should visit church less. these guys in churches lie too much.
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ondskap
May 27, 2020 4:07pm
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I know it's a strange concept for most of the world, but the U.S. should really be viewed as 50 independent entities, of which varying experience with covid has transpired. Take Texas, for instance, with a population of about 30 million, having 57,475 confirmed cases (1,915 c/M) and 1,551 deaths (52 d/M). That's right on par with Austria, for example, if not a little better, having a population of about 9 million, having 16,591 confirmed cases (1843 c/M) and 645 deaths (72 d/M).
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Momofrmnyc
May 26, 2020 2:01pm
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Quoting Jugoslavija
{quote} Social distancing and closure of international borders and air travel,I guess.And stockpiling protective equipment,probably.

Do you also believe China numbers when it came to coronavirus reporting as well?
mic6399
May 26, 2020 9:32pm
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Quoting dab
{quote} What is this virus you speak of with .1 to .2% mortality? Covid mortality currently tracking at over 6% from https://www.covid-19canada.com/ per attached screenshot {image}
For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
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mic6399
May 27, 2020 7:55pm — Edited
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Quoting dab
{quote} I had a look at that link and there's lots of info (I only skimmed it) but a search doesn't have .26 anywhere. 26 shows up three times but only re hospitalisation ratios so I'm in the dark as to where you got that figure.
They estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% the same as this one https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....14.20062463v2 from Stanford
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askchiboy
May 26, 2020 11:31am
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China and WHO got some questions waiting for answers...
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YYZ
May 26, 2020 11:53am
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Quoting Jugoslavija
@realDonaldTrump China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi! 4:18 PM · Jan 24, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
there is no relationship Jugoslavija---North Korea. Explain your origin.
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YYZ
May 26, 2020 11:55am
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When China is successful then whole world is sucessfiull
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Trader#9240
May 26, 2020 1:26pm
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Quoting Jugoslavija
{quote} Check again when Trump tweeted that.There were no mass casualties at the time.Some countries,like Germany,Austria,Russia and India listened and prepared for calamity.Some countries were reckless,like USA,Brazil,UK,Sweden... and suffered great loss of life.
Curious now. What specifically was done by these counties in preparation that resulted in reduction of the loss of life?
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