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  • #21
  • Mar 25, 2020 6:56am Mar 25, 2020 6:56am
Quoting HeyYou
{quote} wow, that sounds like some stat arb, high frequency, complex stochastic models mean reversion stuff..
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hey heyyou..... lol..... no nothing like that..... way to laid back for all those terms.... can't spell half of'em....

with carefully chosen low volume stocks you can effectively become the market maker..... market makers really don't want to be in some stocks but are still required to have bid and offer quotes on the board.... but they still wanted the commissions.....

if market makers bid for (100) is 1.22 and you put in a limit buy for (100) at 1.21, watch how fast yours will get filled.....

a larger version of this same principle can be applied to pull the market down or up to your prices, not theirs..... you'd be surprised how far you can move the price.....

this only works on low volume stocks.... and should only be applied to certain well chosen ones.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #22
  • Edited 4:02pm Mar 26, 2020 3:49pm | Edited 4:02pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- hey heyyou..... lol..... no nothing like that..... way to laid back for all those terms.... can't spell half of'em.... with carefully chosen low volume stocks you can effectively become the market maker..... market makers really don't want to be in some stocks but are still required to have bid and offer quotes on the board.... but they still wanted the commissions..... if market makers bid for (100) is 1.22 and you put in a limit buy for (100) at 1.21, watch how fast yours will get filled..... a larger version of this same...
Be careful.. illiquid stocks are traded in otc markets..hence you cannot "become the market maker" correct me if I'm wrong.
  • #23
  • Mar 26, 2020 7:52pm Mar 26, 2020 7:52pm
brought a bunch of dollar stocks Tuesday and they took off but ill be selling tonight for sure!
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  • #24
  • Mar 26, 2020 10:48pm Mar 26, 2020 10:48pm
Quoting JackJones
so now is the time to buy or maybe a month or two more so might jump back into stocks.. US stocks? which ones though.. any going to the moon? why are influencers so in love with tesla? my guess is they don't 'advertise' they just pay for mentions and work in ways like the cult of Apple. You don't like Telsla? well then we can not be friends!
Bill Ackman made good money on the drop and now ne says that he is "all-in" in stocks. This bet makes sense if US succeeds in early contamination of Covid-19 outbreak or its really overhyped, because the government and the Fed poured too much money into economy
  • #25
  • Mar 27, 2020 2:00am Mar 27, 2020 2:00am
Quoting HeyYou
{quote} Be careful.. illiquid stocks are traded in otc markets..hence you cannot "become the market maker" correct me if I'm wrong.
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by low volume i mean below 10k average..... below 5000 is better.....

there are many low volume stocks on nyse, nasdaq and such..... brk a average volume is less than 500..... rngr only had a few k today....

programs like metastock let you create screens to search out stocks with precision.... most of the best online stock screeners are long gone but there are still plenty out there.....

none can match metastock's flexibility.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #26
  • Mar 27, 2020 2:55am Mar 27, 2020 2:55am
Quoting bottomhigh
{quote} Bill Ackman made good money on the drop and now ne says that he is "all-in" in stocks. This bet makes sense if US succeeds in early contamination of Covid-19 outbreak or its really overhyped, because the government and the Fed poured too much money into economy
Ackman (only heard his name first time this week so bare with me) is the guy saying 'shut the US economy down', right? so he made billions on some kind of short the market insurance but where does he show he is buying the market right now?

seems contradictory to be saying that the US should just shutdown its whole economy for a month but also be buying stocks? i dun get it.
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  • #27
  • Mar 27, 2020 3:44pm Mar 27, 2020 3:44pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //---- by low volume i mean below 10k average..... below 5000 is better..... there are many low volume stocks on nyse, nasdaq and such..... brk a average volume is less than 500..... rngr only had a few k today.... programs like metastock let you create screens to search out stocks with precision.... most of the best online stock screeners are long gone but there are still plenty out there..... none can match metastock's flexibility.....h
an average volume of 10k listed on the nyse...hmmm


"To qualify for listing on the NYSE, a company must have at least 400 shareholders, with at least 1.1 million shares available to the public and a market value of the public shares of at least $40 million"
  • #28
  • Mar 28, 2020 9:40am Mar 28, 2020 9:40am
Quoting HeyYou
{quote} an average volume of 10k listed on the nyse...hmmm "To qualify for listing on the NYSE, a company must have at least 400 shareholders, with at least 1.1 million shares available to the public and a market value of the public shares of at least $40 million"
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not sure what your telling me there....

you might be missing my point on low volume and how i use it to my advantage....

perhaps i should upload a video to better explain it..... because sometimes what i write might confuse....

low volume....

if you did a search of my posts for the word 'ford', you'll see ford call options appeal to me..... options are extremely risky.... yet again, this past week, i used low volume to my advantage....

by bidding low on low liquidity ford call options, well below the bid, i effectively become the market maker...... or liquidity provider if you prefer that term..... the markets gap up on wendsday took all sell to close orders well above my asking price..... that was just luck....

luck and low volume, worked in my favor
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my reply to your mentioning a preference to avoiding low liquidity, only meant i often use low liquidity to my advantage.....

slow sashaying markets give you plenty time to look...... plenty of time to think......... fast markets will pick a hayseeds pockets clean every time.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #29
  • Mar 28, 2020 9:53am Mar 28, 2020 9:53am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- not sure what your telling me there.... you might be missing my point on low volume and how i use it to my advantage.... perhaps i should upload a video to better explain it..... because sometimes what i write might confuse.... low volume.... if you did a search of my posts for the word 'ford', you'll see ford call options appeal to me..... options are extremely risky.... yet again, this past week, i used low volume to my advantage.... by bidding low on low liquidity ford call options, well below the bid, i effectively become the...


"In an OTC market, dealers act as market-makers by quoting prices at which they will buy and sell a security, [...].

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o...ntermarket.asp
  • #30
  • Mar 28, 2020 10:15am Mar 28, 2020 10:15am
Just saying... be careful

those markets are rigged as hell
  • #31
  • Mar 29, 2020 9:35pm Mar 29, 2020 9:35pm
The moon has left the market.
Count Of Antwerp
  • #32
  • Mar 30, 2020 2:59pm Mar 30, 2020 2:59pm
Quoting hayseed
for me, it's too early yet but i'll be biddin on low on several before long..... it will be a one time purchase per etf at a single price..... local stocks like hal and the oil patch etf's, i'll be buying on the $ down...... h
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xop and xes both reverse split on me cancelling my orders..... 1 to 4 and 1 to 10...... will not try on those now.....

still bidding low on well chosen oil patch stocks..... producers, transmission, and services......

larger ones will be lookin around to buy..... producers prefer to buy known reserves at depressed prices rather than risk punching dry holes.....

oil is down but the sky is not falling....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #33
  • Mar 30, 2020 8:08pm Mar 30, 2020 8:08pm
Quoting countaccrue
The moon has left the market.
do you mean reality?

FOMO / excess cash jumping in early i think, once we see economic / financial numbers as a result of all this then i think there will be value in equities.

impact on property will also be interesting as commercial and residential govt 'plans' are sure to break its back. there's going to be a lot of over leverage property people going to the wall once these temporary fixes fade.

the fed is pretty much handing out cash to people at the moment, which is what some said would be the result of QE Infinity, so what is next? no point sitting with cash this year as it might soon be worthless, but what to do, inflation hedges?
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  • #34
  • Mar 30, 2020 9:16pm Mar 30, 2020 9:16pm
some Dec oil calls look tempting!

cheaper to run an oil-burner over a Tesla these days..
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  • #35
  • Mar 30, 2020 9:49pm Mar 30, 2020 9:49pm
Quoting JackJones
do you mean reality? FOMO / excess cash jumping in early i think, once we see economic / financial numbers as a result of all this then i think there will be value in equities. impact on property will also be interesting as commercial and residential govt 'plans' are sure to break its back. there's going to be a lot of over leverage property people going to the wall once these temporary fixes fade.......
....some (El Erian, etc) have said the current data releases are irrelevant because the virus effects and response is what matters. But we'll see. The NFP print Friday will be gargantuan negative. The grimmest numbers re: mortality in US cities are still out on the horizon. The demand shock is going to continue burning through everyone's cash for at least another month. In some cases (travel, hospitality, etc) - that shock may be a mortal wound.

I am especially watching the big US airlines, looking for the lows that were seen around the last big crisis 12 years ago....

Oil is in the same boat but also a more complicated story...
"If The Fool persists in his Folly he will become wise." - William Blake
  • #36
  • Mar 30, 2020 10:01pm Mar 30, 2020 10:01pm
I bot BA call verts ($5 to $20 wide) out in Sept, with strikes between $220 and $250. Bot when BA was down around $100. I think those will make out ok. Boeing is probably an example of a US company that is truly 2big2fail.
"If The Fool persists in his Folly he will become wise." - William Blake
  • #37
  • Mar 30, 2020 11:09pm Mar 30, 2020 11:09pm
Quoting The Fool
I am especially watching the big US airlines, looking for the lows that were seen around the last big crisis 12 years ago......
I want AAL under $5

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21H3H1
"If The Fool persists in his Folly he will become wise." - William Blake
  • #38
  • Mar 30, 2020 11:42pm Mar 30, 2020 11:42pm
Quoting JackJones
so now is the time to buy or maybe a month or two more so might jump back into stocks.. US stocks? which ones though.. any going to the moon? why are influencers so in love with tesla? my guess is they don't 'advertise' they just pay for mentions and work in ways like the cult of Apple. You don't like Telsla? well then we can not be friends!

Considering fundamental shifts in hiring, renting office spaces, demand on human transportation, retail, I wouldn't buy stocks from that category but would bet on those stocks that will profit from online activity - telecoms, online retail, online education firms, etc.
  • #39
  • Mar 31, 2020 2:02am Mar 31, 2020 2:02am
Quoting JackJones
impact on property will also be interesting as commercial and residential govt 'plans' are sure to break its back. there's going to be a lot of over leverage property people going to the wall once these temporary fixes fade.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/...222512472.html

There's a fix? The fix is not in. The rent is too damn high. $0 rent is what we need. I guess I'm glad I never became a landlord...
"If The Fool persists in his Folly he will become wise." - William Blake
  • #40
  • Edited 9:06am Mar 31, 2020 8:32am | Edited 9:06am
Quoting The Fool
{quote} ....some (El Erian, etc) have said the current data releases are irrelevant because the virus effects and response is what matters. But we'll see. The NFP print Friday will be gargantuan negative. The grimmest numbers re: mortality in US cities are still out on the horizon. The demand shock is going to continue burning through everyone's cash for at least another month. In some cases (travel, hospitality, etc) - that shock may be a mortal wound. I am especially watching the big US airlines, looking for the lows that were seen around the...
well yes even this corp reporting season may not show the effects, but the forecasts will be eye-wateringly bad. yes there will be some that shine, picking those is key.

economic growth for Western economies is showing as negative for all of 2020 and i guess that is 'best case' given we are yet to see the virus peaking in the US.
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