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  • #21
  • May 9, 2018 8:41am May 9, 2018 8:41am
Quoting Nicholishen
{quote} Good, now zoom your chart and watch it epically fail. Angles are pointless in trading, slope on the other hand is not.
Depends on how you use them. Scaled charts, relative angles, etc.
  • #22
  • May 9, 2018 8:42am May 9, 2018 8:42am
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  • May 9, 2018 8:42am May 9, 2018 8:42am
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  • #24
  • May 9, 2018 8:49am May 9, 2018 8:49am
Quoting Nicholishen
{quote} Good, now zoom your chart and watch it epically fail. Angles are pointless in trading, slope on the other hand is not.

Seeems you are a negative guy.

Look how you can benefit for analysis and trading of the concept of angle

Angles show you Speed and Acceleration of Price Action

If you use Gann Concepts - Time and price related -Angles can be used in different ways

- as Support and Resistance
- showing Strength when Price Action is above the (1 x 1) Angle - 1 Price Unit x 1 Time Unit
- showing Weakness when Price Action is under the (1 x 1) Angle - 1 Price Unit x 1 Time Unit
  • #25
  • May 9, 2018 9:17am May 9, 2018 9:17am
Quoting Nicholishen
{quote} Good, now zoom your chart and watch it epically fail. Angles are pointless in trading, slope on the other hand is not.
hello Nicholishen,
i dont clearly understand how you distinguish slope and angle
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As the ratio price /time never gives the tangent
Changing (time,price) to pixel (x,y) allows this
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this way we are getting any object angle (same as one given by trendByAngle)... even when chart is resized
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  • #26
  • May 9, 2018 9:42am May 9, 2018 9:42am
Quoting JR97
{quote} Depends on how you use them. Scaled charts, relative angles, etc.
There's not a single objective way to use angles in trading because it's entirely dependant on subjective visual chart analysis, meaning, it's based on the zoom and scale of a visual-chart only. Since the zoom and scale are completely unique from trader to trader then no two trend-lines will have the same angle, thus, there is no advantage to knowing the subjective fluid-angle of trend-line. If that still doesn't make sense consider the following:

This is a trend-line I drew on my landscape monitor.
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And then without even touching the chart, I dragged the window over to my portrait monitor.
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So if angles don't make sense in manual trading then I would assert that they especially don't make sense in algorithmic trading.

Slope is what you really need. Slope doesn't change from chart to chart.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slope
  • #27
  • Edited 10:41am May 9, 2018 10:07am | Edited 10:41am
Quoting parisboy
{quote} Seeems you are a negative guy. Look how you can benefit for analysis and trading of the concept of angle Angles show you Speed and Acceleration of Price Action If you use Gann Concepts - Time and price related -Angles can be used in different ways - as Support and Resistance - showing Strength when Price Action is above the (1 x 1) Angle - 1 Price Unit x 1 Time Unit - showing Weakness when Price Action is under the (1 x 1) Angle - 1 Price Unit x 1 Time Unit
I'm not coming from a place of negativity, I'm trying to help you not waste your time. Quantitative analysis isn't rooted in feelings, but angles are based on feelings since it solely depends on how you (and only you) feel comfortable looking at a chart. Angles do not show you speed or acceleration and gann angles are about as useful as those visual-guide-grid-lines in the background of all standard charts.

If you need to quantitatively analyze the slope of a line then you need to obviously use the simple math for computing slope.
  • #28
  • May 9, 2018 10:40am May 9, 2018 10:40am
Quoting Nicholishen
{quote} There's not a single objective way to use angles in trading because it's entirely dependant on subjective visual chart analysis, meaning, it's based on the zoom and scale of a visual-chart only. Since the zoom and scale are completely unique from trader to trader then no two trend-lines will have the same angle, thus, there is no advantage to knowing the subjective fluid-angle of trend-line. If that still doesn't make sense consider the following: This is a trend-line I drew on my landscape monitor. {image} And then without even touching...

That's only 1 angle of the story. Get it? *sigh*. Again, scaled charts, relative angles, and if you really want to get deep, price-time equivalence via basic jr. high math... ie the pythagorean theorem. I'm not going to give a Gann seminar to illustrate the usages. You can google on your own. Moreover, it's not useful to the original topic which was asking HOW and not necessarily WHY.
  • #29
  • May 9, 2018 10:49am May 9, 2018 10:49am
Quoting JR97
{quote} That's only 1 angle of the story. Get it? *sigh*. Again, scaled charts, relative angles, and if you really want to get deep, price-time equivalence via basic jr. high math... ie the pythagorean theorem. I'm not going to give a Gann seminar to illustrate the usages. You can google on your own. Moreover, it's not useful to the original topic which was asking HOW and not necessarily WHY.
That's what I'm trying to get at... the effort to code a way to programmatically compute the angle of a visual object doesn't make sense because there is no way to use that data quantitatively. It would be a practice of the pointless.
  • #30
  • May 9, 2018 11:50am May 9, 2018 11:50am
Quoting Nicholishen
{quote} I'm not coming from a place of negativity, I'm trying to help you not waste your time. Quantitative analysis isn't rooted in feelings, but angles are based on feelings since it solely depends on how you (and only you) feel comfortable looking at a chart. Angles do not show you speed or acceleration and gann angles are about as useful as those visual-guide-grid-lines in the background of all standard charts. If you need to quantitatively analyze the slope of a line then you need to obviously use the simple math for computing slope.
I do not think that I waste my time since 20 years.
  • #31
  • Edited May 10, 2018 4:50am May 9, 2018 1:21pm | Edited May 10, 2018 4:50am
[quote=paulselvan;
Hi Paul maybe good info from Hayseeds work for here
[url]https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=3929673[/url]
started from here
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=226519
  • #32
  • May 9, 2018 2:02pm May 9, 2018 2:02pm
[quote=Squiggles;11043865]
Quoting paulselvan; Hi Paul maybe good info from Hayseeds work for here [url
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=3929673[/url] started from here https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=226519
nice
  • #33
  • May 10, 2018 4:58am May 10, 2018 4:58am
[quote=paulselvan;11043936]
Quoting Squiggles
{quote} nice
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  • #34
  • May 10, 2018 5:06am May 10, 2018 5:06am
Hey guys I'm trying to wrap my head around this whole "angle" theory. I'm looking at the latest UJ up-swing on the Daily and I'm coming up with 4 to 85 degree angle... What are y'all getting?
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  • #35
  • May 11, 2018 12:37pm May 11, 2018 12:37pm
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  • May 11, 2018 12:37pm May 11, 2018 12:37pm
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  • May 11, 2018 1:09pm May 11, 2018 1:09pm
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  • May 11, 2018 1:11pm May 11, 2018 1:11pm
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  • #39
  • May 11, 2018 11:12pm May 11, 2018 11:12pm
[quote=Squiggles;11046326]
Quoting paulselvan
{quote} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tbbgt-5qoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w16q6At82iY
Before I didn t know that this exists...great work...thanx
Vucking good EA coder... https://t.ly/AZjRM
  • #40
  • May 17, 2018 11:38pm May 17, 2018 11:38pm
Quoting Nicholishen
{quote} Good, now zoom your chart and watch it epically fail. Angles are pointless in trading, slope on the other hand is not.
OR you could intelligently lock the chart and when you zoom in you won't get to watch it epically fail :whistle:
There is nothing in the Universe but mathematical points of force.
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