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  • #1,041
  • Mar 21, 2018 1:45am Mar 21, 2018 1:45am
Quoting ztop
{quote} "1. Not every trader in existence is trying to trade the trend" --well ever trader has to buy ...
Okay straight talker. I infer from your description that you don't know what actual order flow is. What you are describing is simply the direction of price movement.

And you are simply stating the obvious. I could also throw out a phrase such as "buy before price moves up and sell right before price goes down".
Easier said then done eh. Tell me how would you know when a bullish or bearish move is is substainable? How would you know the "order will not flow against you" right after you place your trade?

Then again, i'd assume you are successful doing what you are doing. But just to let you know youre not making any sense.
I look for value wherever it can be found
  • #1,042
  • Mar 21, 2018 2:16am Mar 21, 2018 2:16am
Any inferences without observation is a mere manipulations of words and verbal rhetoric.
Bird brain with eagle eyes.
Advertisement requires both visual and verbal rhetoric to sell. I will only buy if both are good.

Hehe.
  • #1,043
  • Mar 21, 2018 7:02am Mar 21, 2018 7:02am
Quoting synicz
{quote} Okay straight talker. I infer from your description that you don't know what actual order flow is. What you are describing is simply the direction of price movement. And you are simply stating the obvious. I could also throw out a phrase such as "buy before price moves up and sell right before price goes down". Easier said then done eh. Tell me how would you know when a bullish or bearish move is is substainable? How would you know the "order will not flow against you" right after you place your trade? Then again, i'd assume you are successful...
Why in the hell would I want to tell you anything? If anyone is rude its' yourself. You keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when its obvious you don't. I am under no obligation to share what took me tons of man hours to figure out and I consider intellectual property. All I am willing to do is point you in the right direction.

I have to laugh because some of the questions you asked are exactly what you need to answer no matter what kind of trader you are. My gift to you is I'm giving you the direction you need to look to answer your own questions. Obviously you don't get it and don't appreciate it. I'm okay with that. Keep doing what you're doing.

Of course I don't make any sense you don't have the answers to your own questions yet and you're the one that doesn't understand order flow and you certainly don't have any means of gauging direction otherwise you could answer your own questions. Any idiot would know that
===IF YOU TRADE WITH THE FLOWS YOU WILL WIN-------- the problem is finding a way to do it.

If you're so smart answer those questions you just posed. YES --I am stating the obvious. YES--I never said it was easy and I've already told you that. I've made that plain. The funny thing is I can answer your questions but you can't and you're telling me I don't make any sense? LOL Its your job to figure out how to read order flow. But then again I suggested that learning fundamentals is much easier.

Of course I know what order flow is. I told and trade it. What? my definition doesn't hold up to yours? LOL or someone else that is clueless what it really is? Whether you want to accept my description--- it's exactly what you have to learn to trade. Who cares what you call it. You have TO enter at a single level. It's an extremely thin level and if you don't know which orders are dominant and moving your candles and in what direction--- you are trading probabilities. When you understand what orders are moving your candles and in what direction YOU ARE TRADING ORDER FLOW.

TAKE CARE AND GOOD LUCK. That's all folks.
  • #1,044
  • Mar 21, 2018 7:36am Mar 21, 2018 7:36am
Quoting ztop
{quote} Why in the hell would I want to tell you anything? If anyone is rude its' yourself. You keep telling...
Take a chill pill man. You can't seem to handle my straight talk!

Keep your "intellectual property" to yourself. Not everybody here is out to steal your stuff.

I admit Im not smart, youre the smartest since you seem to have found the holy grail. Im sick of all your reasonings. Im out of here.
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  • #1,045
  • Mar 21, 2018 10:05am Mar 21, 2018 10:05am
Quoting ztop
{quote} you prove me wrong! Prove that you don't have to trade with the flows to win.
When did I say you weren't trading with the order flow to place a winning trade?

It goes without saying that if you place a short that closes profitably then the order flow went with you short as well.

That doesn't mean you can use looking at past order flow to ALWAYS predict what the future order flow will be with 100% accuracy. That's all I was saying. There's no reason to be snide or rude. Relax, you're getting yourself all worked up over a forum conversation for no reason.

There is NOTHING that will let you predict the future with 100% accuracy. Nothing can do that. Therefore it's all probabilities.

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I mean it baffles me that you don't get that simple statement. It's accurate. It's absolutely correct! It's undeniable. Yet you guys are trying to deny it.
I haven't seen anyone is saying that you shouldn't be looking at order flow. But lets be clear, in one way or another EVERY indicator looks at past order flow in one way or another. The issue here is your overly simplistic, "just look at order flow" statements as if it's really just that simple.

It isn't "just look at order flow" I think some of us would like to see HOW you are looking at order flow. What indicators do you use or are you just looking at heiken ashi candles? What rules do you use to decide when you're going to enter a new trade? Do you trade on longer time frames like daily and above ... or do you trade on shorter TFs like hourly or shorter?

I think we're just looking for some detail from you.
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  • #1,046
  • Mar 21, 2018 10:21am Mar 21, 2018 10:21am
Quoting kk007
This sounds a simple question, but it is not indeed. There are a lot of trading methods claim working. Nevertheless, I wonder in general what logic these methods based on in predicting price movement. Can anyone give me a good answer? Thanks, kk007
If the system tells you how to spot trend early and trade following it, then it’s a good system. Not because it predicts future direction but odds are increased in your favor.
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  • #1,047
  • Mar 21, 2018 10:59am Mar 21, 2018 10:59am
Quoting Woohiye
{quote} When did I say you weren't trading with the order flow to place a winning trade? It goes without saying that if you place a short that closes profitably then the order flow went with you short as well. That doesn't mean you can use looking at past order flow to ALWAYS predict what the future order flow will be with 100% accuracy. That's all I was saying. There's no reason to be snide or rude. Relax, you're getting yourself all worked up over a forum conversation for no reason. There is NOTHING that will let you predict the future with 100%...
real time order flow is what I'm talking about-- past order flow can't tell you what is happening right now.
Think of tape reading or reading a dom. To explain it would take too much time and I'm not willing to say much more.
I don't know many who try to read order flow in real time but its invaluable. I had to figure out how to gauge it. You need to figure how bull price works vs bear price. Obviously bull price never acts like bear price.

Here's a free tip. Strong bull price rarely breaks the bottom of the most current candle bottom. There are exceptions but the norm is the bulls will try to hold the bottom of the previous candle. Bears do the same thing but its the top of the previous candle. Again there are exceptions but for the most part it doesn't happen.
Or should I say if it breaks it -- it pulls it back.

"There is NOTHING that will let you predict the future with 100% accuracy. Nothing can do that. Therefore it's all probabilities." and yet that's exactly what you're trying to do. You are looking for price behaviors or movements or patterns to help you predict price better. Why? If you are so sure that nothing can help predict price accurately why try? I'm not saying you won't make mistakes. It's all based on judgement. What I'm saying is when you can see whether the bulls or bears are in control and see when that control changing. You are trading based on good reliable and trustworthy information that offers you certainty of an outcome.
To be a consistent trader you have to develop consistent judgement and that judgement can't be based in fantasy but good reliable and accurate information. When you enter a trade and the flows turn against you that is your exit. Most people use stops but stops don't tell you price is going against you or that price is still in your favor-- order flow does.
  • #1,048
  • Mar 21, 2018 2:10pm Mar 21, 2018 2:10pm
Quoting ztop
{quote} real time order flow is what I'm talking about-- past order flow can't tell you what is happening right now.
lol ... I want you to really think about this for a second.

For starters there is NO SUCH THING as "real time order flow." Even if you put your chart on a one minute TF and watch every single tick of the markets you're still looking at orders that happened in the past, was processed by your broker, and got to you. You're seeing THE PAST ORDERS THAT ALREADY HAPPENED (roughly what you see on your screen is about half a second at minimum in the past)

Secondly, lets pretend that you watching every single tick of the market is watching order flow in real time (even though it isn't). The position that watching that order flow on that short of a time frame somehow allows you to predict market movement going into the future I find ... unlikely. It's like saying putting a magnifying glass to the ground and looking at individual grains of dirt will let you predict when and where mountains will begin and end.

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I don't know many who try to read order flow in real time but its invaluable.

1M TF scalpers do this and there's ALL KINDS of them. Secondly, I would love to hear where you get this magical "real time order flow" information.

(We won't even talk about the 100 millisecond delay for the information to hit your computer screen, your eyes to see it, and your brain to process it meaning your entire conscious existence is is actually 100 milliseconds in the past)

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Here's a free tip. Strong bull price rarely breaks the bottom of the most current candle bottom.
Dude ... seriously. That's not real time anymore. It requires a comparison to past events. Not only that but on a 1M TF that makes no sense. The candle finishes and the next one starts. It doesn't break the bottom for a few seconds so you place an order. That doesn't mean that at some point over the next 40 plus seconds that it WON'T break the bottom of that previous candle. So if you wait for that candle to finish you're now TWO minutes of past history. So you have two candles of past you're looking at. So you place a trade long ... but that 2 mere minutes of past order flow doesn't mean that the market won't reverse against you.

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"There is NOTHING that will let you predict the future with 100% accuracy. Nothing can do that. Therefore it's all probabilities." and yet that's exactly what you're trying to do. You are looking for price behaviors or movements or patterns to help you predict price better.
Yes, exactly. That's what I said. You are predicting the future and predicting the future is about probabilities. You perform your analysis, how ever you do it that works for you, and the idea is to place trades highly probable of succeeding. BUT NO ONE succeeds 100% of the time with 100% of their trades. So it is all probabilities, that's what trading is, thanks for finally agreeing.

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If you are so sure that nothing can help predict price accurately why try?

lol ... you need to try reading what I actually said. Market analysis is about working to predict the markets with some level of probability of success. The better you get at market analysis, the better you get at making high probability of success trades. But, "high probability of success" still leaves some room for being wrong and that by your definition was still "guessing".

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I'm not saying you won't make mistakes. It's all based on judgement. What I'm saying is when you can see whether the bulls or bears are in control and see when that control changing. You are trading based on good reliable and trustworthy information that offers you certainty of an outcome. To be a consistent trader you have to develop consistent judgement and that judgement can't be based in fantasy but good reliable and accurate information.

Now here I absolutely agree with what you said. The problem is that I disagree with you that you can make a determination of future market movement by doing nothing but looking at past order flow (and yes, that's what you're doing no matter how much you want to claim "real time" because you're still looking at past candles).

Yes, you look at order flow and there are a number of indicators that can help you to look at that order flow in a variety of different ways. However knowing what the fundamentals of the various underlying economies happens to be is also important to determining what is likely to happen in the future. Even the general mood of the market and whether it's risk averse or there's lots of risk appetite is important to predicting with a high probability of success likely future movement of a given cross.

I think you and I really sort of agree on the basics, it's the execution of those basics where we differ.

Let me also say that while your method may not work for me I am also not even remotely suggesting that it doesn't work for you.
Woohiye is a Lakota Sioux word that means success, or overcoming obstacles
  • #1,049
  • Mar 21, 2018 2:51pm Mar 21, 2018 2:51pm
Quoting Woohiye
{quote} lol ... I want you to really think about this for a second. For starters there is NO SUCH THING as "real time order flow." Even if you put your chart on a one minute TF and watch every single tick of the markets you're still looking at orders that happened in the past, was processed by your broker, and got to you. You're seeing THE PAST ORDERS THAT ALREADY HAPPENED (roughly what you see on your screen is about half a second at minimum in the past) Secondly, lets pretend that you watching every single tick of the market is watching order...
"For starters there is NO SUCH THING as "real time order flow." LOL That's just dumb. You can't even grasp the most simple basics of real trading. I'm not going to beat you over the head and try to pound some sense into you. I'll leave you to your own brilliance. Obviously my attempt to help and offer good sound direction is falling on deaf ears. Good luck and take care.

To others reading this post. Whatever you do. DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYTHING Woohiye SAYS! He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Anyone that can't grasp that all trading is "is" about bull and bear orders being traded on a continually basis is extremely short sighted EVEN BLIND.

Of course there is real time order flow and all the movement on a chart represents its. Those candles represent nothing else but order flow and its coming in tick by tick, second by second, minute by minute and that is real time information. In fact there is no other source of real time information on your chart but real time orders. YOU JUST CAN'T READ IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GRASP THE CONCEPT.
  • #1,050
  • Mar 21, 2018 3:12pm Mar 21, 2018 3:12pm
Quoting ztop
Anyone that can't grasp that all trading is "is" about bull and bear orders being traded on a continually basis is extremely short sighted EVEN BLIND.
Dude, you keep trying to insist on me saying things that I NEVER SAID.

Please show me where I made any sort of statement like you are claiming? Yes, the market is about orders (long or short) being placed on a continual basis. Indicators work to give you a mathematical perspective on that order flow. The idea is that by looking at that order flow you can then make predictions (or educated guesses) about the future direction of that flow. That's called technical analysis. Technical analysis is literally analysis of order flow.

I am not saying that you shouldn't perform this analysis. All I am saying is that TO ME (maybe you're different, imagine that) it's better to perform fundamental, sentiment, AND technical analysis. It gives you a more complete view of the market and therefore a better chance at placing high probability of success trades.

We actually agree more than we disagree please stop the name calling, it really is not needed.

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Of course there is real time order flow and all the movement on a chart represents its.
Nope. The information on a chart, especially one showing heiken ashi candles like you're talking about is information that happened in the past, was assembled by your broker, and then sent to your computer.

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Those candles

*sigh* Candles represent PAST ORDER FLOW. Candles are by definition what happened in the past. They are NOT real time by any definition they are a representation of what happened minutes (or hours or days or months, depending on your TF) in the past. This really is not debatable. Well it is, but it's like some flat earther trying to debate the earth is flat.

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In fact there is no other source of real time information on your chart but real time orders.

You need to make up your mind. There are brokers that will let you see a line chart that shows every single tick of the market, typically updated every half a second for typically 60 ticks, or 30 seconds. That's the closest you can get to "real time order flow" but THAT IS NOT LOOKING AT CANDLES.

If you're looking at candles then you are, in fact, looking at past order flow, not real time order flow, no matter how vociferously you may want to claim otherwise.

FURTHER, every single scrap of technical analysis is 100% about looking at that past order flow to make future predictions. So I really fail to see what you're getting so worked up about.

Do you understand that I agree with you that smart traders should be looking at past order flow (e.g. performing technical analysis)? Can you grasp that we're actually agreeing with each other here? Or are you too insistent on disagreeing with anyone that dares to question you that you are missing this simple fact?

My only issue is that you're using incorrect language to describe what you're doing (saying "real time" when you're really looking at the past) ... that and your claim that performing only technical analysis is enough to make you a highly accurate trader.

I've been doing this for a while. I've known "more than a few" traders. Most traders come into the markets hoping they can just look at charts, perform some technical analysis, and be "accurate enough" to be profitable. I've yet to find such a trader.

WITHOUT EXCEPTION every single trader that I've met that attempts to trade based only on technical analysis (e.g. meaning only looking at order flow and nothing else) ends up losing money over the long term.

From there they either quit trading all together or they learn they have to look at fundamental analysis and sentiment analysis if they hope to be successful and profitable traders.

Maybe there is some trader out there capable of looking at nothing but charts and being profitable over the long term, maybe you can do it, I don't know we haven't met and I don't know you. But my experience has been that those who claim they can ... can't.

Literally 100% of the successful traders that I've ever met performs fundamental, sentiment, AND technical (order flow) analysis.

That's been my experience, maybe yours is different. Maybe you are a successful trader and maybe you do only perform technical (order flow) analysis. I don't know. I'm not trying to put you down here, I'm really not. It is possible to engage in a dialog without name calling ... you should try it some time.
Woohiye is a Lakota Sioux word that means success, or overcoming obstacles
  • #1,051
  • Mar 21, 2018 3:17pm Mar 21, 2018 3:17pm
Quoting Woohiye
{quote} Dude, you keep trying to insist on me saying things that I NEVER SAID. Please show me where I made any sort of statement like you are claiming? Yes, the market is about orders (long or short) being placed on a continual basis. Indicators work to give you a mathematical perspective on that order flow. The idea is that by looking at that order flow you can then make predictions (or educated guesses) about the future direction of that flow. {quote} Nope. The information on a chart is information that happened in the past, was assembled by your...
He said all movement on a chart represents real-time order flow. Not that it IS real time order flow. Also, order flow can be read to assist in predicting the future direction of that flow over a certain time horizon. You're addressing this as an investor not a trader.

But, I mean, GL.
"The fun is in the hunt. Not the kill."
  • #1,052
  • Mar 21, 2018 9:16pm Mar 21, 2018 9:16pm
Quoting Woohiye
{quote} Dude, you keep trying to insist on me saying things that I NEVER SAID. Please show me where I made any sort of statement like you are claiming? Yes, the market is about orders ..
Woohiye, you should just let this arguement go.

Notice how he never seems to address the crux of your debate? He simply counters back with personal attacks.
Claiming that you have no understanding and all.

You're beating a dead horse here. Save your time and energy.
I look for value wherever it can be found
  • #1,053
  • Mar 22, 2018 10:49am Mar 22, 2018 10:49am
Quoting Woohiye
{quote} Dude, you keep trying to insist on me saying things that I NEVER SAID. Please show me where I made any sort of statement like you are claiming? Yes, the market is about orders (long or short) being placed on a continual basis. Indicators work to give you a mathematical perspective on that order flow. The idea is that by looking at that order flow you can then make predictions (or educated guesses) about the future direction of that flow. That's called technical analysis. Technical analysis is literally analysis of order flow. I am not saying...
if I'm not mistaken I quoted you "For starters there is NO SUCH THING as "real time order flow." after reading that I didn't read anything else you said. It was just stupid and it pisses me off. You don't know what you're talking about and misguiding others here that want to find a better way to trade because what they are doing now doesn't work. And your comment shows you don't know what you're talking about yet are trying to tell me I'm wrong. it's stupid and absurd. So I quoted you and then remarked what that statement was just dumb.

The other thing that strikes me odd is I'm here to offer you something of real value. But the outpouring of appreciation awes me. Yes I'm being sarcastic. If you'd spend as much time trying to understand than deny or discredit my advice you'd be more productive.

I'm actually pointing you in the right direction and all I keep hearing from you and that other bozo is how what I'm saying is incorrect. IT ISN'T SMART. I understand people with reservations but essentially you keep telling me why I can't do what I do. To be honest it doesn't give me any warm good feelings to tell you anything. So keep telling me how rude I am and how I can't do what I'm doing. And just keep doing what you're doing. Don't try to see how you can read order flow and keep struggling. That's your call and its the wrong call.

I have a suggestion. Make a video and post the link here and tell everyone your whole trading approach and then let me tell you everything that's wrong with it. LOL Let me explain the holes you your trading style. I'll even go one step further. If I can determine that I can trust you to keep your word and have you sign some kind of agreement that you can only use my information for personal use and not share it with friends or others. I show you one behavior that will change your trading. And if it does so you then owe me $10k for that life changing trading behavior. LOL

You see the problem is when you actually understand price action, behaviors and order flow that information becomes extremely valuable.

So keep telling me that the advice I'm offering can't be right. I'm not the problem here. You and what's his face the other stooge is. I'm the good guy giving it to you straight and for free. If you want to call it garbage that's on you. If you want to act as if you know what you're talking about and tell everyone else here that what I'm saying is a lie THAT'S ON YOU NOT ME. I'm being accurate, honest, to the point, and offering the bottom line of real trading. I'm telling you and that other drama queen that YOU'RE WRONG. You need to back off and stop trashing the truth.

I have to laugh in a weird awkward way. I'm trying to help and being told I don't know what the hell I'm talking about by two guys that don't have a clue what they are talking about. I love the appreciation. LOL

To all others--what is weak price? how do you recognize it? What is a weak trend versus a strong trend? How can you gauge strong vs weak price? Does bullish price act differently that bearish price? If so how. Can you look at a chart and see bullish areas vs bearish areas? How do you visibly see when weak price turns strong?

Price action trading is being able to define price behaviors that you can trust. That happen over and over again and offer a particular result. When you don't see that result IT'S TELLING YOU SOMETHING. These are just a few questions you need to answer in your trading. You need to 'see" in real time when price is going against your trade-- that is the key to a good and extremely limited loss NOT STOPS. Believe me if you understand price behaviors and order flow you will be able to answer these questions and see what the dominate flow of orders is.

I invite Woohiye and snyicz to give you all the answers to these questions. They certainly seem to think they have all the answers. So ask them to answer these questions here. Let's see how much they really understand about price behaviors and order flow. My best guess from what I've heard so far is they can't answer one of these questions. YOU NEED TO FOR GOOD MANAGEMENT AND CONSISTENT PROFITS. And when you can answer these questions you don't have to guess about your trade. You'll know. You'll see it in real time.

There are more questions but the real point is find price behaviors that you can trust and that tell you direction of order flow and when it changes. I DO THIS NOW. Woohiye and snyicz can't but tell me I can't. Their ignorance and closed mindedness is hurting their trading. Don't be like them. I'm telling you the truth. It's real. It's accurate. It will make you a better trader. Their advice and trashing mine won't.
  • #1,054
  • Mar 22, 2018 10:58am Mar 22, 2018 10:58am
Quoting synicz
{quote} Woohiye, you should just let this arguement go. Notice how he never seems to address the crux of your debate? He simply counters back with personal attacks. Claiming that you have no understanding and all. You're beating a dead horse here. Save your time and energy.
I'm stating the truth. if you want to call that an argument that shows your problem.
What it comes down to is who is telling the truth here. The answer is plain. I am. Answer all the questions I posed in my response to Woohiye and let's see what you really know. You've already told me that I don't know what I know. So let's see how smart you really are.
Tell us all how price works and behaves. My best guess is you can't. If so, we know who the real trouble maker is here.
  • #1,055
  • Edited 11:40am Mar 22, 2018 11:08am | Edited 11:40am
here are a few other questions you need to answer
what is the importance of momentum in trading?

are there areas you know will not break?
How do you know?

how do you know price is trending? topping? bottom?

what is the importance of flattening?

How can you tell when bearish price against a bullish trend is reversing vs just an interruption in a trend?

How can you stay on the right side of a trend?

How do you know when price is slowing or speeding up?

what does a stop tell you about you ability to read price and trade? is it better to use a stop or read price in such a way you know when price is going against your trade? Face it. How many times have you been in a trade and it hit your stop and continued in the direction of your trade? One of the biggest problems in trading right? Some use bigger stops to solve this problem but who wants to lose 40 or 50 pips simply because you can't read price right?

Good luck to all that really want to know a better way to trade.
  • #1,056
  • Mar 22, 2018 11:16am Mar 22, 2018 11:16am
Quoting ztop
{quote} I'm stating the truth. if you want to call that an argument that shows your problem. What it comes down to is who is telling the truth here. The answer is plain. I am. Answer all the questions I posed in my response to Woohiye and let's see what you really know. You've already told me that I don't know what I know. So let's see how smart you really are. Tell us all how price works and behaves. My best guess is you can't. If so, we know who the real trouble maker is here.
if I'm not mistaken I quoted you "For starters there is NO SUCH THING as "real time order flow." after reading that I didn't read anything else you said. It was just stupid and it pisses me off. You don't know what you're talking about and misguiding others here that want to find a better way to trade because what they are doing now doesn't work. And your comment shows you don't know what you're talking about yet are trying to tell me I'm wrong. it's stupid and absurd. So I quoted you and then remarked what that statement was just dumb. <<< Youre not answering the question but delivering a personal attack. My point proven.

I'll even go one step further. If I can determine that I can trust you to keep your word and have you sign some kind of agreement that you can only use my information for personal use and not share it with friends or others. <<< One lesson I learnt in this industry is not to trust anyone offering signal service. Even the most experienced traders aren't 100% sure of their trades.

If you want to act as if you know what you're talking about and tell everyone else here that what I'm saying is a lie THAT'S ON YOU NOT ME. I'm being accurate, honest, to the point, and offering the bottom line of real trading. I'm telling you and that other drama queen that YOU'RE WRONG. You need to back off and stop trashing the truth. <<< From what I read, nobody ever accused you of telling lies.

My best guess from what I've heard so far is they can't answer one of these questions. <<< I can't say for woohiye, but I agree with you that I can't answer a single question you pose, as it is incomprehsible to me.

Lets get this clear bud, aint nobody thrashing you in the first place. In fact, my very first statement is in agreeance with you. I only felt you overemphasized the importance of order flow. You started the fire when you went full on arsed rude on me.

Nobody here is looking for trouble. All we want is constructive and relevant discussion. You on the other hand are hurling personal insults on us. Which is really uncalled for.

If we all could just have a proper, respectful discussion with valid, logical reasoning to justify our position, and leaving any personal attacks out of the discussion. This forum would be a better place. Understandably, there will be people with different opinions. Its part of life. No need to belittle people for holding different views.
I look for value wherever it can be found
  • #1,057
  • Mar 22, 2018 11:23am Mar 22, 2018 11:23am
Quoting synicz
{quote} if I'm not mistaken I quoted you "For starters there is NO SUCH THING as "real time order flow." after reading that I didn't read anything else you said. It was just stupid and it pisses me off. You don't know what you're talking about and misguiding others here that want to find a better way to trade because what they are doing now doesn't work. And your comment shows you don't know what you're talking about yet are trying to tell me I'm wrong. it's stupid and absurd. So I quoted you and then remarked what that statement was just dumb....
We disagree on your answers but I really don't care about that. I don't expect we'll agree on many things. Just answer my questions. Let's see how much you really know. Your answers should be real treat for all of us. What you call a personal attack is me setting you straight. I hold no anger or hate towards you but I'm being a straight shooter. I think you're too sensitive and have a difficult time cause I shoot straight. I'm having a little fun calling a bozo but you deserve it cause you're suggesting I'm rude and attacking you. It's just not true. You're just too sensitive. Well I did call you a bozo so I guess its a little true. It's more fun than being mean. Drama queens blow things out of proportion and that's what I think you're doing. No hard feelings here but just answer the questions.
  • #1,058
  • Mar 22, 2018 11:27am Mar 22, 2018 11:27am
Quoting ztop
{quote} We disagree on your answers but I really don't care about that. I don't expect we'll agree on many things. Just answer my questions. Let's see how much you really know. Your answers should be real treat for all of us.
Tsk. Looks like you haven't really understood the part about respectful discussion...
Im going to throw you the classic phrase. Why should i answer your questions? It will reveal my edge which I spent so long searching for
I look for value wherever it can be found
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  • Mar 22, 2018 11:48am Mar 22, 2018 11:48am
Quoting ztop
here are a few other questions you need to answer what is the importance of momentum in trading? are there areas you know will not break? How do you know? how do you know price is trending? topping? bottom? what is the importance of flattening? How can you tell when bearish price against a bullish trend is reversing vs just an interruption in a trend? How can you stay on the right side of a trend? How do you know when price is slowing or speeding up? what does a stop tell you about you ability to read price and trade? is it better to use a stop...
Personally I'd like to see your answers to these questions since the way you're asking them seems to indicate you know the answer. And for the record, saying "look at the order flow" isn't an answer. A good answer would be on the order of, "Momentum is an indicator of price direction strength" in answer to the first question you posed.
Woohiye is a Lakota Sioux word that means success, or overcoming obstacles
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  • Mar 22, 2018 12:02pm Mar 22, 2018 12:02pm
Quoting Woohiye
{quote} Personally I'd like to see your answers to these questions since the way you're asking them seems to indicate you know the answer. And for the record, saying "look at the order flow" isn't an answer. A good answer would be on the order of, "Momentum is an indicator of price direction strength" in answer to the first question you posed.

you're right! I know the answers. you should too. And all the answers involve order flow. But let's see your answers.
How is momentum an indicator of price direction? How do you see it on a chart? How do you read it on a chart.

Most of your definitions like probabilities and order flow are precise but don't show you really understand them. So be practical and show real examples.
Show how they can be used in real life situations.
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