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  • #381
  • Dec 8, 2014 8:03am Dec 8, 2014 8:03am
http://www.kitco.com/images/live/nyg...07787682455684

Let's see what this week brings us.

Kosmo thanks for your correction (2nd ). Your EA still has closed more trades this morning than mine has opened since starting!

Kashtrader...this EA may have some limitations, but trying to see if it was boxed in via backtest is guaranteed to give you false results. Are you even using 99% verified tick volume? The backtester will NOT close trades on actual equity target. Nov. and early Dec. were some of the best times. Just look at those moves! If you're so worried about it, you can limit the times to known trending sessions, like Kosmo has with LO. You can even just trade the first few hours of NY on Thursdays, with the unemployment report. Or, the FOMC for a few days afterwards. There is ways to minimize trading while ranging. I find hunting for every opportunity despite ranging the most advantageous.

Magix, welcome! I have seen your previous contributions. Let me ask you to keep the discussion clean, (no **** words, please). Ideas are welcome, but I'm not interested in fundamental changes.
Too close for pips, switching to points.
  • #382
  • Dec 8, 2014 12:15pm Dec 8, 2014 12:15pm
Quoting kashTrader
{quote}However, with the expanding grid, the situation happens very rarely. Looking at the results it seems to me that it happens rare enough to be handleable. For example, we start with 1000 and run the system. We should be able to double up pretty quickly with the expanding grid. Once we hit 2000 we withdraw 1000 and restart. That we when we hit one of those events we loose 1000 but hopefully by then we have amassed 3-4K. So, we restart giving us a winner. The problem remains when we keep money in the account and let it grow.
Thanks, Kash. I value your input. If we never try, we'll never know. So, let's keep on trying, until we nail it.
mind over matter
  • #383
  • Dec 8, 2014 1:17pm Dec 8, 2014 1:17pm
Quoting kosmo
{quote} Thanks, Kash. I value your input. If we never try, we'll never know. So, let's keep on trying, until we nail it.
Yep...I see your trades finally closed, since the market finally made up it's mind to breakout. I'm really curious to see why it shows a significant loss...maybe the market whipsawed back down after the initial spike up? I wasn't watching it live, so the only way to know is looking at a statement. It was up over 50%.
Too close for pips, switching to points.
  • #384
  • Dec 8, 2014 1:30pm Dec 8, 2014 1:30pm
Quoting Thepipster
Let's see what this week brings us.
London hasn't been generous today. The EA's taken a beating, albeit not that big, so it'll be interesting to see if and how it recovers throughout the week.

I left it running past London close today (so it did catch a little bit of the latest spike up), and was surprised to see it close the last cycle once price overshot the top of the box, even though the net P/L of the open trades was still negative. Is that a bug or is it something that can be controlled by the settings? I thought it should only close the cycle when the target is reached, otherwise just carry on DD. (??)
mind over matter
  • #385
  • Dec 8, 2014 1:42pm Dec 8, 2014 1:42pm
Quoting kosmo
{quote} London hasn't been generous today. The EA's taken a beating, albeit not that big, so it'll be interesting to see if and how it recovers throughout the week. I left it running past London close today (so it did catch a little bit of the latest spike up), and was surprised to see it close the last cycle once price overshot the top of the box, even though the net P/L of the open trades was still negative. Is that a bug or is it something that can be controlled by the settings? I thought it should only close the cycle when the target is reached,...
That loss is what surprised me! It will only close trades once target is reached, but it doesn't account for commissions, which, if you have enough trades open at 0.03 a trade, still doesn't add up to over $100. My guess is there was some kind of retrace while the trades were closing. When your broker sends you the daily statement, you'll be able to see the closing price for those last trades, and if it changed a lot, then we'll know that was it.
Too close for pips, switching to points.
  • #386
  • Dec 8, 2014 2:01pm Dec 8, 2014 2:01pm
Quoting Thepipster
{quote} ...maybe the market whipsawed back down after the initial spike up?
Yes, exactly. It was up by about 2% around 11.00 London time, and then began to slide after the NYO double top, hitting the lower sells, before the spike up.

Pips, you said you traded it manually. That's exactly what I intend to use it for. Actually, it could do as a script for that purpose (so if anyone's up for the challenge to code one, please do get in touch). But what do you do with the EA? Setting the activity time around the clock and just hitting the AutoTrading buton on and off? Thanks.
mind over matter
  • #387
  • Dec 8, 2014 2:02pm Dec 8, 2014 2:02pm
mine was up by 4.4% last week but there were few trades open from friday. one lesson learnt was either we need to close all the trades by friday close of market or we should not mess up with the EA on monday when market opens. I tried to change the start time of EA and did something which messed up i think and my account went down to -8% at one point of time, now it is slowly recovering.....
  • #388
  • Edited 3:31pm Dec 8, 2014 2:21pm | Edited 3:31pm
Quoting kosmo
{quote} Yes, exactly. It was up by about 2% around 11.00 London time, and then began to slide after the NYO double top, hitting the lower sells, before the spike up. Pips, you said you traded it manually. That's exactly what I intend to use it for. Actually, it could do as a script for that purpose (so if anyone's up for the challenge to code one, please do get in touch). But what do you do with the EA? Setting the activity time around the clock and just hitting the AutoTrading button on and off? Thanks.
Do you think it was just really close to target when price went over $1208? Or did it go well past 2%? The only thing I can think of is commissions.


When I traded manually, it wasn't with this system at all. I was only using that example to point out I learned it's better to use small lot size, small target, and hope for large volume-something my account lacks, and yours has plenty to go around. You could use this system semi-manually, by setting the times up, though.

EDIT...I looked through your explorer, your buys closed with prices varying from xxxx.23 to xxxx.65...that's $0.42, which is a lot of price move while trades were closing. Oh, well...this might make us have to think twice about 0.10 gaps between orders. Still, you're way ahead of anyone else. This is a good example of how advantageous having TP, so these trades could close on broker's side, saving valuable milliseconds.
Too close for pips, switching to points.
  • #389
  • Dec 8, 2014 6:26pm Dec 8, 2014 6:26pm
Quoting Thepipster
{quote} Do you think it was just really close to target when price went over $1208? Or did it go well past 2%? The only thing I can think of is commissions.
Neither. When it started closing the trades around 1202, it was still carrying a lot of negative P/L. That's why I was so surprised to see the trades close where they did. The trades never got anywhere near 1208 as they all closed within one minute - 21:04. It was the next M5 candle (starting 21:05) that reached 1208. If the trades had closed 5 min later than they did, it'd have been more probable that it was so because they reached the target. But this wasn't the case. I still don't understand how the commissions could play a role here; they just add to the negative side, so should not affect cycle closure at all. Please see the below chart, showing how it played today.

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Quoting Thepipster
EDIT...I looked through your explorer, your buys closed with prices varying from xxxx.23 to xxxx.65...that's $0.42, which is a lot of price move while trades were closing. Oh, well...this might make us have to think twice about 0.10 gaps between orders. Still, you're way ahead of anyone else. This is a good example of how advantageous having TP, so these trades could close on broker's side, saving valuable milliseconds.
I don't mind expanding the gaps to 0.20, but the unjustified cycle closure has nothing to do with that, does it? I'd really like to get to the crux of the matter here, to be able to eliminate the problem. Whether it's the commissions or a bug in the code or the gaps. No good trading with a faulty tool...
mind over matter
  • #390
  • Dec 8, 2014 8:08pm Dec 8, 2014 8:08pm
i run this ea on last thursday, up to know no closed order, resulting floating -280usd
something wrong?
when i started there was alert error no 130 but only came up once (usually when it came everytime we close, the new alert will come up right away)
the broker is fxcm

thanks
  • #391
  • Dec 8, 2014 8:34pm Dec 8, 2014 8:34pm
I have exactly the same case, loss around -$100 with error no 130.
I am using ICMarkets.

Quoting t3ddy
i run this ea on last thursday, up to know no closed order, resulting floating -280usd something wrong? when i started there was alert error no 130 but only came up once (usually when it came everytime we close, the new alert will come up right away) the broker is fxcm thanks
  • #392
  • Edited Dec 9, 2014 1:37pm Dec 8, 2014 10:31pm | Edited Dec 9, 2014 1:37pm
Hi Thepipster, just create a new $2,000 usd 200:1 demo account with FXChoice on my laptop which is always on. Because it has not yet created any order nor closed any the public Explorer account is deactivated by FF for now. As soon as it gets some activity I will activate the Explorer for anyone to see

Hope this will help you
  • #393
  • Dec 8, 2014 11:46pm Dec 8, 2014 11:46pm
Hi to all. I also joined your test group. Lets see what is happening
  • #394
  • Dec 9, 2014 2:24am Dec 9, 2014 2:24am
hi thepipstr,
how can modified the time starting with the brorker time and close with it , because 11 to 11 is not correct ,
pls advice
  • #395
  • Dec 9, 2014 7:58am Dec 9, 2014 7:58am
Still testing and doing OK but this is what I do now in order to avoid the EA closng all trades unexpectedly (maybe there is a bug in the code?)

Attach EA and let it set orders with a $30 spread betweem furthest buy stop/sell stop
Remove EA once all orders have been set
Attach trade manager EA and set to close all after +1% equity target reached
  • #396
  • Edited 8:15am Dec 9, 2014 7:59am | Edited 8:15am
~Kosmo ...I'm stumped. I know the coding on the EA isn't the problem, or this problem would appear on every trade set. My guess is somehow the broker manipulated the floating equity level, or something along those lines...??? My EA closed all trades in a big loss on a set, too. It has come back some since then. So, I need to research to see how that happened, too. Nothing like this happened when I was testing before my VPS problems.

~energetic and t3ddy...if the loss is floating, that's normal-we just wait for the market to move far enough to profit, like this morning. If the EA has suddenly closed all trades at a big loss, without going up to the target of 0.1% of account balance, than something's wrong. Just be patient and let the EA do it's thing.

~jpdlegault and msdogan...thanks for posting your explorers. Please commit to keeping them running for a few months.

~Msu1 if you change the time, just make sure the stop time is 1 minute before the start time so that the EA will continue to run. You can't have the same exact setting for stop and start times.
Too close for pips, switching to points.
  • #397
  • Dec 9, 2014 8:04am Dec 9, 2014 8:04am
Quoting Thepipster
It is free, and must remain so. Please do your part to show off the results.
.. I also joined your test group. Lets see what is happening :-)
  • #398
  • Dec 9, 2014 8:18am Dec 9, 2014 8:18am
Sorry have been really busy but mine its still going well
  • #399
  • Dec 9, 2014 8:33am Dec 9, 2014 8:33am
Quoting josh11
Sorry have been really busy but mine its still going well
...very good!

time will tell

I think the loss problem has something to do with something lagging. Having calculated TP and SL so trades would close on broker's side will solve this, it's just a big undertaking to implement.
Too close for pips, switching to points.
  • #400
  • Dec 9, 2014 8:33am Dec 9, 2014 8:33am
@ Thepipster, you say:

Quote
If the EA has suddenly closed all trades at a big loss, without going up to the target of 0.1% of account balance, than something's wrong. Just be patient and let the EA do it's thing.

Does that mean you have coded logic into the EA to close trades in a loss in certain scenarios?
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