US October Challenger Report: 153,074 Job Cuts on Cost-Cutting &amp; AI

That means the Us job data from private sector is faked

Nov 6, 2025 10:48am

Quoting devonoved

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A complete rebuild of how we acquire and distribute resources is inevitable, ...

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How about this: Me and my private robot army take whatever you have and distribute it to me and then turn you into fertilizer?

ww3361

Nov 6, 2025 1:28am

Quoting Trader#A306

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AI is good for increasing profits and decreasing costs. Soon it will replace every human.

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That's literally the narrative the world is waking up to the falsity of, as we speak.

Trader#E14A

Nov 6, 2025 1:13am

Its AI automation taking over, leaning out the workforce, higher wages for those who do keep their jobs, and increased efficiency and productivity all around for the US. Everyone is reading too deep into it without contextualizing what we are in the precipice of

Twocans

Nov 6, 2025 2:23am

"ordinary folk" will happily sit on their collective asses if Govts. subsidize them with a meager 'welfare check' as they already do it now so its nothing new, just more of the same. Extraordinary folk who get out of bed and want to compete and be productive will still be the enemy of the Matrix not being willing to settle for status quo. "People don't change that much." I learned that from the 'Love of my Life', Marylou, after 3 separate encounters spanning the last 50 yrs. The ONLY thing she ever cared about was her. Third time was charm for me.

fx6996

Nov 6, 2025 6:47am

Quoting devonoved

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{quote} It doesn't have to be yet another nanny state solution. We don't need to preserve the status quo labor economy with taxes and welfare. AI is a paradigm shift, not just a shiny new SaaS product. The labor economy is dead already, it's a zombie that hasn't decayed enough to stop moving yet. If we want the benefits of AI as well as a stable society where people are free to do meaningful things with their lives without needing a labor economy, then we will need to distribute ownership of the means of production (including AI, obviously) to all...

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Your description sounds like the society in all the Star Trek movies - you know they never talk about wages or buying anything?

Replicator: Earl Grey - warm

Shiham

Nov 6, 2025 1:18am

Quoting adewale

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That means the Us job data from private sector is faked

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Also trump is the big fake

Shiham

Nov 6, 2025 1:21am

Quoting DrWho37

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{quote} Then the inflation won't be under control.

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as per economic theories that Hyper Tarrif is main reason for inflation.

Nov 6, 2025 2:17am

Quoting Jade Gate

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It's a special kind of lunacy is it not? Companies cut jobs to increase profits. Then they load up on AI to cut hundreds of thousands more jobs. Just who is going to be buying your products when a large proportion of the population is out of work and on the brink of or actually in full blown credit default? Can see a time coming when the ordinary folk will rise up against AI and begin the wanton and deliberate destruction of anything AI related. AI is not the people's friend. It's the enemy. Companies just don't get it. Yet. But they will.

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Unless the excessive profits are being properly taxed and funds re-distributed to people who lost their jobs because of AI. The problem is ofcourse that most people have it in their genes to do something meaningful and those jobs will be hard to find in the future.

Nov 6, 2025 5:06am

Quoting Jade Gate

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Can see a time coming when the ordinary folk will rise up against AI and begin the wanton and deliberate destruction of anything AI related. AI is not the people's friend. It's the enemy. Companies just don't get it. Yet. But they will.

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Ever Read The Grapes of Wrath?

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Nov 6, 2025 5:10am — Edited

Well, ICE is hiring! $50,000 hiring bonus! Help rid the nation of illegal immigrants! After that, we'll kick out the rest of the "enemies within." No college degree needed! Cattle prod skills training will be provided!

https://www.usajobs.gov/job/848195900

(ICE goons will lose their jobs to robots, too,)

Jade Gate

Nov 6, 2025 5:38am

Quoting The Fool

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The future of War is robotic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75-l7kfM64k

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There's a vid game my daughter loves to play, called Horizon Zero Dawn. Aloy is the female heroine, battling the machines that see humans as the enemy and items to be obliterated. The machines replicate themselves. It's all too realistic a scenario if it isn't stopped.

Nov 6, 2025 6:43am

Quoting devonoved

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{quote} If we want the benefits of AI as well as a stable society where people are free to do meaningful things with their lives without needing a labor economy, then we will need to distribute ownership of the means of production (including AI, obviously) to all...

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...sure, ok, sounds easy enough

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Nov 6, 2025 7:44am

Quoting devonoved

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{quote} Past failures in a completely different context aren't relevant to our current situation. AI makes the world a fundamentally different place, and we're gonna have to think outside the box to adapt. Framing our system options as capitalism or communism slams the door on solutions. We will probably need to mix and match some ideas and design out the known failure points. Whatever we end up doing, it's not gonna look like anything that's been done before.

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It'll all be so much easier and more photogenic if the human population is drastically reduced. What is the point of keeping 8 billion people alive if there's nothing for 90% of them to do and they are just a drain on natural systems?

Nov 6, 2025 9:38am

Quoting devonoved

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{quote} The universe is biggish. I bet we find stuff to do even if we stop selling ourselves to other people so we don't die. The number of people alive isn't a factor in deciding the point of our existence, because there isn't a point to our existence. We're here, that's it. And we're clever enough to make things so they don't suck for anyone. So we should do that.

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acknowledgement that human existence is pointless is not the rallying cry for the utopian revolution you're trying to imagine.

Nov 6, 2025 9:48am

Quoting MRjakel87

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Why did US markets fall heavily after news about unemployment is high? For a very long time US markets has risen when unemployment claims was released and numbers were higher than expected. (Bad news is good news). The market would expect a rate cut because of these new numbers, and that usually put the stock upward. Why is it different today??

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not saying any of that is wrong but the US indices (SnP & Nasdaq) are very top-heavy with tech stocks, so daily movements are often more about what is going on among the dozen top names.

Watch what happens today when (if?) Musk's big pay package is approved....

Nov 6, 2025 2:26pm

Quoting devonoved

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{quote}You prevent such dangerous concentrations of power by spreading it around.

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Get to spreading then, son. You got a lot of catching up to do.

Fxgfitking

Nov 6, 2025 12:19pm

Quoting Vishtrades

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Will Us unemployment rate data will be released tomorrow or no? Bcz the data on site has been removed!

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I just realized they removed it... Damn... idk maybe a private website? No idea maybe they wont release it again. This is annoying.

giveachance

Nov 6, 2025 2:36am

this is one report which can be trusted. yesterday ADP was an outlier

giveachance

Nov 6, 2025 2:38am

Quoting Jade Gate

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It's a special kind of lunacy is it not? Companies cut jobs to increase profits. Then they load up on AI to cut hundreds of thousands more jobs. Just who is going to be buying your products when a large proportion of the population is out of work and on the brink of or actually in full blown credit default? Can see a time coming when the ordinary folk will rise up against AI and begin the wanton and deliberate destruction of anything AI related. AI is not the people's friend. It's the enemy. Companies just don't get it. Yet. But they will.

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i agree with whatever you said but do these crooks care abt ppl's livelihood. they will come begging to fed for QE in 6 months

fx6996

Nov 6, 2025 5:40am

Quoting Trader#F511

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{quote} not this year, December is a pause sorry.

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In my opinion I disagree - 0.25% cut in December - look @ EU today; buy the rumor-sell the facts - didn't you learn that from last week?

DrWho37

Nov 6, 2025 1:14am

Quoting doodooltalai

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a big rate cut is now inevitable.

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Then the inflation won't be under control.

SniperV

Nov 6, 2025 1:24am

So, it is indicating bad for USD I guess? another uncertainty we are facing still and Gold expecting to make another All Time High?

Nov 7, 2025 5:05am

Quoting devonoved

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{quote} Now we agree on where all the ignorance is coming from. It isn't because people are idle, although I will admit the bread and circuses don't help, but the primary driver is inadequate education. Probably by design, in my opinion. AI, automation, and a universal income from shares in production aren't going to worsen that situation, they are much more likely to improve it. Well-educated people with security and a good quality of life don't turn into slugs if they don't need employment, you only need to observe the many working rich to see...

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That's kind of true but I would estimate that some 60-70% of population would become idle zombies which would then vote for other idle zombies to power. There is already one zombie in power without the AI affect.

Nov 6, 2025 5:29am

The future of War is robotic.

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Nov 6, 2025 10:50am

If SPX closes above 6750, we can make 6800 by Friday close. BTFD never fails.

Twocans

Nov 6, 2025 6:09am

Quoting Vancarbon

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{quote} Can you PM me MaryLou’s number. She sounds like my type of girl

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Glutton for punishment? lol

Twocans

Nov 6, 2025 10:31am

AUD/USD ,,,BREAK AND RETEST COMPLETE. Looking for short squeezer

M2ktraders

Nov 7, 2025 12:52am

This is positive for gold

oyebobo

Nov 6, 2025 12:50pm

Quoting Trader#1479

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Gold will down 250 pups before fly again

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You are VERY CORRECT

bunnytradekn

Nov 6, 2025 1:03am

still gold will go up today 6 november uk session sl will be 4002 you can scalp on upper side new york session can take a sl so scalp only in uk session

BaliBoyz80

Nov 6, 2025 4:02am

is this goverment statement ? bcs no schedule in economic calender with high impact category

SonwaniDev

Nov 6, 2025 1:02am

gold up ?

Trader#F511

Nov 6, 2025 1:16am

Quoting adewale

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That means the Us job data from private sector is faked

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you must watch a lot of Alice in wonderland

Nov 6, 2025 6:23am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} Unless the excessive profits are being properly taxed and funds re-distributed to people who lost their jobs because of AI. The problem is ofcourse that most people have it in their genes to do something meaningful and those jobs will be hard to find in the future.

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It doesn't have to be yet another nanny state solution. We don't need to preserve the status quo labor economy with taxes and welfare. AI is a paradigm shift, not just a shiny new SaaS product. The labor economy is dead already, it's a zombie that hasn't decayed enough to stop moving yet.

If we want the benefits of AI as well as a stable society where people are free to do meaningful things with their lives without needing a labor economy, then we will need to distribute ownership of the means of production (including AI, obviously) to all citizens, and pay them a dividend on their shares. Doing so gives us a working economy where goods and services are distributed as usual, and if you wanna work on a cure for cancer you will have all the time in the world to do that, without selling any part of your life to a corporation.

Nov 6, 2025 6:47am

Quoting devonoved

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{quote} It doesn't have to be yet another nanny state solution. We don't need to preserve the status quo labor economy with taxes and welfare. AI is a paradigm shift, not just a shiny new SaaS product. The labor economy is dead already, it's a zombie that hasn't decayed enough to stop moving yet. If we want the benefits of AI as well as a stable society where people are free to do meaningful things with their lives without needing a labor economy, then we will need to distribute ownership of the means of production (including AI, obviously) to all...

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They already tried that when communism collapsed in Russia in 1990. Criminals and some other people bought the stocks coupons for pennies from people and became the current oligharcs. It would also be communism to force stock distribution to citizens. Taxing businesses and providing proper unemployment to people in need would be a much softer solution. Businesses who lay off people and convert to AI do so for being able to save money and thus improve their bottom so taxing them would only be fair. Companies which employ more could receive tax benefits.

Nov 6, 2025 6:59am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} They already tried that when communism collapsed in Russia in 1990. Criminals and some other people bought the stocks coupons for pennies from people and became the current oligharcs. It would also be communism to force stock distribution to citizens. Taxing businesses and providing proper unemployment to people in need would be a much softer solution. Businesses who lay off people and convert to AI do so for being able to save money and thus improve their bottom so taxing them would only be fair. Companies which employ more could receive...

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Past failures in a completely different context aren't relevant to our current situation. AI makes the world a fundamentally different place, and we're gonna have to think outside the box to adapt. Framing our system options as capitalism or communism slams the door on solutions. We will probably need to mix and match some ideas and design out the known failure points. Whatever we end up doing, it's not gonna look like anything that's been done before.

MRjakel87

Nov 6, 2025 7:52am

Why did US markets fall heavily after news about unemployment is high? For a very long time US markets has risen when unemployment claims was released and numbers were higher than expected. (Bad news is good news).

The market would expect a rate cut because of these new numbers, and that usually put the stock upward. Why is it different today??

Nov 6, 2025 8:05am

Quoting The Fool

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{quote}It'll all be so much easier and more photogenic if the human population is drastically reduced. What is the point of keeping 8 billion people alive if there's nothing for 90% of them to do and they are just a drain on natural systems?

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The universe is biggish. I bet we find stuff to do even if we stop selling ourselves to other people so we don't die. The number of people alive isn't a factor in deciding the point of our existence, because there isn't a point to our existence. We're here, that's it. And we're clever enough to make things so they don't suck for anyone. So we should do that.

Nov 6, 2025 10:02am

Utopia ain't it. There's nothing utopian or revolutionary about everyone owning a share of the systems that keep us alive and well, it's just an expansion of something we already do. There are many successful co-op businesses in the US, none of the people who co-own them think they found utopia.

There's no need for a rallying cry. We're automating the labor economy to death in slow motion. A complete rebuild of how we acquire and distribute resources is inevitable, it won't be a trendy neo-hippy lifestyle choice. As for the point of our existence, the beauty of not having an external meaning imposed on us is that we each get to choose one for ourselves.

Nov 6, 2025 10:21am

Quoting devonoved

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Utopia ain't it. There's nothing utopian or revolutionary about everyone owning a share of the systems that keep us alive and well, it's just an expansion of something we already do. There are many successful co-op businesses in the US, none of the people who co-own them think they found utopia. There's no need for a rallying cry. We're automating the labor economy to death in slow motion. A complete rebuild of how we acquire and distribute resources is inevitable, it won't be a trendy neo-hippy lifestyle choice. As for the point of our existence,...

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Nort having to use our brains will make us zombies. You can already see clear signs of that in certain political supporter groups.

Nov 6, 2025 10:58am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} Nort having to use our brains will make us zombies. You can already see clear signs of that in certain political supporter groups.

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There's no reason to think we will stop using our brains if our time is free and security assured. Does retirement make people stupid? On the flip side of that, does swiping items at a checkout counter challenge the human intellect? 60 million years of evolution gave us a need for action, not sloth. It's human nature to get $hit done, that's how we got this far. When you see behavior to the contrary you are observing the results of damage that person has sustained.

Nov 6, 2025 11:07am

Quoting The Fool

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{quote}How about this: Me and my private robot army take whatever you have and distribute it to me and then turn you into fertilizer?

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That sounds like a systemic failure point we might wanna design out of the system. Tyrannical abuse of power isn't a robot problem. Every tyrant in history managed to take what they wanted without robots. You prevent such dangerous concentrations of power by spreading it around. AI and automation, done right, empowers individuals, it doesn't weaken them. Unless they reject that empowerment out of fear of the new and different. Then they're gonna be fertilizer, probably.

Nov 6, 2025 11:49am

Quoting devonoved

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{quote} There's no reason to think we will stop using our brains if our time is free and security assured. Does retirement make people stupid? On the flip side of that, does swiping items at a checkout counter challenge the human intellect? 60 million years of evolution gave us a need for action, not sloth. It's human nature to get $hit done, that's how we got this far. When you see behavior to the contrary you are observing the results of damage that person has sustained.

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Look around, it's already happening but instead of to retired people to younger generations. The intelligence level in USA is already very low and it is getting lower also in other Western countries.

Nov 6, 2025 1:21pm

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} Look around, it's already happening but instead of to retired people to younger generations. The intelligence level in USA is already very low and it is getting lower also in other Western countries.

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Interesting theory: IQ is dropping because people have too much time on their hands, 'specially them young'uns.

You have anything better than a crusty gen Xer opinion to prove that?

Nov 6, 2025 11:34pm

Quoting devonoved

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{quote} Interesting theory: IQ is dropping because people have too much time on their hands, 'specially them young'uns. You have anything better than a crusty gen Xer opinion to prove that?

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Civilized educated people would not choose an imbesil criminal as their president. Here are AI based figures about literacy levels in USA:

The U.S. literacy rate is not officially tracked by a single annual figure, but recent estimates suggest around 79% of U.S. adults are literate, meaning approximately 21% are not. Historical data is sparse, but the U.S. has made significant progress, with a literacy rate of 13.3% illiteracy in 1890. Current data suggests a decline in average literacy scores between 2017 and 2023

Historical U.S. adult literacy rates

1950: The percentage of illiterate adults was below 10% in all states.
1890: 13.3% of the total population was illiterate, with 56.8% of Black and other populations being illiterate.
1900: 10.7% of the population was illiterate, with 44.5% of Black and other populations being illiterate.
1910: 7.7% of the population was illiterate, with 30.5% of Black and other populations being illiterate.

Key findings from recent reports

Decline in literacy: The average U.S. adult literacy score declined by 12 points between 2017 and 2023.
Proficiency: In 2023, 28% of adults scored at or below Level 1 literacy, 29% at Level 2, and 44% at Level 3 or above.
Low literacy impact: Low literacy rates correlate with poor health outcomes, poverty, and low economic mobility.
Foreign-born population: Foreign-born adults are overrepresented in low literacy groups, likely due to overlap with English as a Second Language (ESL) learners.

Nov 7, 2025 4:00am

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{quote} Civilized educated people would not choose an imbesil criminal as their president. Here are AI based figures about literacy levels in USA: The U.S. literacy rate is not officially tracked by a single annual figure, but recent estimates suggest around 79% of U.S. adults are literate, meaning approximately 21% are not. Historical data is sparse, but the U.S. has made significant progress, with a literacy rate of 13.3% illiteracy in 1890. Current data suggests a decline in average literacy scores between 2017 and 2023 Historical U.S. adult...

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Now we agree on where all the ignorance is coming from. It isn't because people are idle, although I will admit the bread and circuses don't help, but the primary driver is inadequate education. Probably by design, in my opinion.

AI, automation, and a universal income from shares in production aren't going to worsen that situation, they are much more likely to improve it. Well-educated people with security and a good quality of life don't turn into slugs if they don't need employment, you only need to observe the many working rich to see that this is true.

Nov 7, 2025 5:28am

It's definitely a bootstrap situation and there's no immediate hope for the kind of massive intervention it will take to get education levels spiraling up instead of down. But the average populist clown and adoring fans are probably gonna get steamrolled by AI before the rest of us who actually have some objective clue about the state of things. Our phones are already smarter than they are, after all. I'm optimistic things will work out in the long run.

Trader#AA2A

Nov 6, 2025 1:02am

Lol

ChadDaDon

Nov 6, 2025 1:06am

Just why??? ... could this information not wait for US open? SL hit omw

doodooltalai

Nov 6, 2025 1:06am

a big rate cut is now inevitable.

Ashborn14

Nov 6, 2025 1:23am

Quoting ChadDaDon

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Just why??? ... could this information not wait for US open? SL hit omw

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Same buddy on EURUSD

Max.Gonos

Nov 6, 2025 1:23am

Longest shutdown in history

Trader#A072

Nov 6, 2025 1:26am

Quoting Trader#E14A

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Its AI automation taking over, leaning out the workforce, higher wages for those who do keep their jobs, and increased efficiency and productivity all around for the US. Everyone is reading too deep into it without contextualizing what we are in the precipice of

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Ah yes kind of like the south park episode “they took our jobs” except it’s not Mexicans it’s innovation and AI

Higher wages (sticky) + automation/ai is basically relocation not collapse. Big firms keep investing, small/mid trim headcount. Job cuts rise , Adp pay stays

The ISM prices are still hot 70

Yesterdays prints confirm December pause

There is a misunderstanding and everyone even the Fed is trying to wrap their heads around what this could all mean, we are trimming fat(jobs) but the economy isn’t collapsing, oh wait there is all this innovation happening. But we got rid of a million illegals how could we still be at all time highs, well we have AI productivity gains, reasses and lean our our operations.

Vishtrades

Nov 6, 2025 2:20am

Will Us unemployment rate data will be released tomorrow or no? Bcz the data on site has been removed!

Trader#E14A

Nov 6, 2025 4:30am

Job cuts: 153k (+183% m/m, +175% y/y) — highest Oct since 2003; YTD >1.09M.

Where: Warehousing 47.9k, Tech 33.3k, Food 10.6k.

Why: Cost-cutting (50k), AI/automation (31k), macro/market (21k).

Hiring plans: 283k in Oct (+141% m/m), but YTD 488k = soft vs 2024 (750k). Tech shows most new plans.

Trader#1479

Nov 6, 2025 1:10am

Gold will down 250 pups before fly again

Trader#F511

Nov 6, 2025 1:15am

Quoting doodooltalai

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a big rate cut is now inevitable.

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not this year, December is a pause sorry.

Trader#A306

Nov 6, 2025 1:16am

AI is good for increasing profits and decreasing costs. Soon it will replace every human.

Trader#F9A5

Nov 6, 2025 1:21am

Nfp

Trader#42AB

Nov 6, 2025 1:22am

With so many unemployed due to AI and Gov servant unemploy due to shutdown, Gov lost billion dolar while shutdown , Medcare & food nearly in crisis, u guys still believe gold is strong ? Smh

Trader#5315

Nov 6, 2025 1:32am

what!!!!

Trader#9007

Nov 6, 2025 1:34am

Quoting ww3361

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{quote} That's literally the narrative the world is waking up to the falsity of, as we speak.

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huh? You must not own a company or done your research

Trader#9143

Nov 6, 2025 2:11am

Quoting Jade Gate

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It's a special kind of lunacy is it not? Companies cut jobs to increase profits. Then they load up on AI to cut hundreds of thousands more jobs. Just who is going to be buying your products when a large proportion of the population is out of work and on the brink of or actually in full blown credit default? Can see a time coming when the ordinary folk will rise up against AI and begin the wanton and deliberate destruction of anything AI related. AI is not the people's friend. It's the enemy. Companies just don't get it. Yet. But they will.

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Scary doom and gloom Karen. You must have been born in the 60s without any computer skills or ability to adapt

Trader#AD72

Nov 6, 2025 2:17am

Will be Us unemployment rate will be released tomorrow?

Trader#46B3

Nov 6, 2025 3:40am

It's not AI related. Its bottom line due to tariff eating.

Trader#C087

Nov 6, 2025 6:54am