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Damnit? Why
Here is why:
https://fxnewsgroup.com/forex-news/platforms/apple-removes-metaquotes-mt4-and-mt5-trading-apps-from-its-app-store/
Apple is making one dumb decision after another. Iphone is a joke, 10 years behind competition and now completely useless to all traders. A $1k brick.
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It's what Russia gets. Get a cheap android or get an Oanda account and connect it to Tradingview.
MT4 and MT5 for Windows and Mac are primarily distributed via the brokers as it looks like each broker wants to have its own branded version. I won’t be surprised if they will soon provide their own services for downloading and installing the mobile versions of MetaTrader through their websites. As mobile trading “On The Go” is getting more and more popular, the reasons to do so can be many. For example get rid off all unwanted plugins and add-ons or implementing unique fir the broker features.
Interesting developing story nevertheless. It seems strange that Apple and MetaQuotes haven’t commented on the case yet.
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Quoting OnlineAddict
Apple is making one dumb decision after another. Iphone is a joke, 10 years behind competition and now completely useless to all traders. A $1k brick.
Is it like your GBP call? You have been wrong for years. No one forces you to post nonsense.
Quoting umbrella man
{quote} Is it like your GBP call? You have been wrong for years. No one forces you to post nonsense.
Ya he is pretty shit at trading lol
Master your mind. Master Trading.
Quoting umbrella man
{quote} Is it like your GBP call? You have been wrong for years. No one forces you to post nonsense.
You apple fanboys are so funny...defending it like a cult. lol
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Quoting KareemAliFx
{quote} Ya he is pretty shit at trading lol
Correct. The worst on FF. Too many expert here for my taste, thats why I post less and less.
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Every topic is turning into a battlefield LOL
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Quoting NotAtrader
Every topic is turning into a battlefield LOL
Like Russia and Ukraine war. Wondering who is Russia and Ukraine here. They condemned the war, yet in this little space they fight. What a world...Honestly we need peace on earth.
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Mt is just frontend which picks up, client order and process them to back end..., if in case gets blocked out in future, many retailers can't participate in fx market and there will be significant drop in fx volumes... That's not good news for brokers/traders/investors....brokers should not relay on only one trading platform...as many brokers only providing mt...but,Few reputable brokers providing cTrader, etc.. But still depending on Mt in long run these days is risky. I hope brokers will look for alternative platforms , since this news came out.
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Quoting buffedmage
Mt is just frontend which picks up, client order and process them to back end..., if in case gets blocked out in future, many retailers can't participate in fx market and there will be significant drop in fx volumes... That's not good news for brokers/traders/investors....brokers should not relay on only one trading platform...as many brokers only providing mt...but,Few reputable brokers providing cTrader, etc.. But still depending on Mt in long run these days is risky. I hope brokers will look for alternative platforms , since this news came out....
Nobody needs to block anything. MetaQuotes does not participate actively in the FOREX process and MetaTrader 4 & 5 are user end ready distributed software products. It means they do not depend on the Russian brothers in order to work. However the frontend which is MetaTrader cannot be used without the backend. In order to solve this issue, the deal with the Russian brother should be terminated and another backend solution developed. FOREX is the most powerful financial industry in the world and doing exactly that shouldn’t be any problem whatsoever
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Quoting NotAtrader
{quote} Nobody needs to block anything. MetaQuotes does not participate actively in the FOREX process and MetaTrader 4 & 5 are user end ready distributed software products. It means they do not depend on the Russian brothers in order to work. However the frontend which is MetaTrader cannot be used without the backend. In order to solve this issue, the deal with the Russian brother should be terminated and another backend solution developed. FOREX is the most powerful financial industry in the world and doing exactly that shouldn’t be any problem...

today its just apple ,tomorrow ,who knows...uncertanity ..all these acts , giving a warning signs of big ,economic troubles ,depression ,whatever in future of fx industry , as it gets affected (the most liquid market) ..most people who rely on MT EA's are now in panic ..

if mt gets blocked out the bridge(backend) which connects to lp(Liquidity Provider - like Barclays,Ubs,goldman,etc) wont get affected , but it cant receive order from clients (if no order recived,retails cant participate in fx market which leads to significant loss in volumes )as frontend is block by these companies like apple ,or maybe some few companies in future ,etc . if brokers have alternate platforms like cTrader,etc...the clients can trade and all will be good , but those who dependent on EA will be finding difficulties , as the brokers need to find the particular alternate platform which supports the EA thing which MT has
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Quoting buffedmage
{quote} today its just apple ,tomorrow ,who knows...uncertanity ..all these acts , giving a warning signs of big ,economic troubles ,depression ,whatever in future of fx industry , as it gets affected (the most liquid market) ..most people who rely on MT EA's are now in panic .. if mt gets blocked out the bridge(backend) which connects to lp(Liquidity Provider - like Barclays,Ubs,goldman,etc) wont get affected , but it cant receive order from clients (if no order recived,retails cant participate in fx market which leads to significant loss in volumes...
TradeStation, NINJA TRADER, TradingView Mobile Platform (available for Apple products)
Those are platforms supporting developing and use of EAs for automated trading. There can be a few more which I don't know about.

The problem here is the time consuming process of developing and testing of these EA and Indicator pieces of software as all these platforms use their own programming language. In addition comes the cost of bugs and failing. I am a programmer myself and it took me almost two years to create and stabilize a system of 1 EA and 5 indicators to a point that it takes me with minimum failures through both choppy and trending markets. This is not an easy process and I understand the worries and the skepticism spreading around because of this news.
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Quoting NotAtrader
{quote} TradeStation, NINJA TRADER, TradingView Mobile Platform (available for Apple products) Those are platforms supporting developing and use of EAs for automated trading. There can be a few more which I don't know about. The problem here is the time consuming process of developing and testing of these EA and Indicator pieces of software as all these platforms use their own programming language. In addition comes the cost of bugs and failing. I am a programmer myself and it took me almost two years to create and stabilize a system of 1 EA and...
yeah, its painful
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Quoting buffedmage
{quote} yeah, its painful
I just looked briefly at TradeStation. It has very steep learning curve involving several programing languages in the same process (HTTP, Jason etc). The life of many traders will become a nightmare.
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How about play store Android
Quoting NotAtrader
{quote} I just looked briefly at TradeStation. It has very steep learning curve involving several programing languages in the same process (HTTP, Jason etc). The life of many traders will become a nightmare.
On the other hand, people with programming knowledge and skills are not limited to the quasi C syntax and endless number of bugs in the MetaTrader environment. Whatever your programming language is, as long as it supports http requests, you can do very very much in terms of automation, provided you master Jason as well because the most request bodies are strings sent as Jason records.
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Quoting CBAtrades
Here is why: https://fxnewsgroup.com/forex-news/platforms/apple-removes-metaquotes-mt4-and-mt5-trading-apps-from-its-app-store/
Thanks CBA so If one never bought into Apple you are all good? (for now)
A significant piece of news.

Not yes it will be a pain but lets face it the programming language usually boils down to the same stuff (commands) etc. It won't take long to adjust im certain.
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
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Some say because of this
https://www.forbes.com/sites/cyrusfarivar/2022/09/09/pig-butchering-crypto-super-scam/?sh=72e1ec48ec8e
Quoting Mela
Damnit? Why
Here seems to be where it started. Someone got scammed using Metatrader + virtual dealer feature.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cyrusfarivar/2022/09/09/pig-butchering-crypto-super-scam/?sh=72e1ec48ec8e
Quoting lordbenj
{quote} Here seems to be where it started. Someone got scammed using Metatrader + virtual dealer feature. https://www.forbes.com/sites/cyrusfa...h=72e1ec48ec8e
If that was the reason, then apple needs to stop selling phones altogether, as they are also used to scam people.
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Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} If that was the reason, then apple needs to stop selling phones altogether, as they are also used to scam people.
Way more and often than using MetaTrader and Virtual Dealer to scam people. Or maybe they can still sell phones without the phone app and remove the phone app from their iOS and the update servers together with all other communication and internet based apps and features This would be a nice phone LOL

However, the main problem here I think is the astronomical size of the scams connected to MT and VD.
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I am wondering what happens to the MT4 apps that already exist on our phones and tablets. Will they still work, and for how long?

I primarily trade on MT4 desktop, but it's nice to use the phone as well to manage positions.

I will be making the switch to TradingView eventually.
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Quoting fxpipper
I am wondering what happens to the MT4 apps that already exist on our phones and tablets. Will they still work, and for how long? I primarily trade on MT4 desktop, but it's nice to use the phone as well to manage positions. I will be making the switch to TradingView eventually.
I guess the all existing (already downloaded and installed) apps will work as long as the brokers allow these apps to access the servers. As of now no one has any reason to prohibit these apps to access their servers which means they will still work. How long - difficult to say. I doubt the GASO ( https://www.globalantiscam.org/post/metatrader-has-fraud ) has the power to dictate the brokers what they can use and cannot use.
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I am glad that never like the IOS at all and use one old iphone for it's real purpose- to play music in my car. Android is way better and flexible, open source, can be modified at waay more customizations through cooked roms. Apple only works against that and make more and more hardware restrictions to modify their origin software and all Apple users are able to use only apps from erhhh (no conspiracy) selected software companies.
Yea, i know now i will be attacked by Apple users, i don't care, but will care about their answers of my question: Why smart guy will use a smartphone, which mix politics with it's functionality?
Quoting sad3
I am glad that never like the IOS at all and use one old iphone for it's real purpose- to play music in my car. Android is way better and flexible, open source, can be modified at waay more customizations through cooked roms. Apple only works against that and make more and more hardware restrictions to modify their origin software and all Apple users are able to use only apps from erhhh (no conspiracy) selected software companies. Yea, i know now i will be attacked by Apple users, i don't care, but will care about their answers of my question: Why...
As an Apple user I don't participate in the never-ending war between IOS and Android. IOS is solid enough for my purposes. It's easy to use and secure. The restrictions can be annoying, yes, but it's not annoying yet to the point where I would consider switching to Android. I am an ex-BlackBerry user and do occasionally miss the open source, but whatever, as stated IOS is fine for me, (for now).
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It is really great news. There have been a lot of Asia mafia scammer lately with the mt platform. For those of you who haven't lose significantly in the so called pig butcher scam won't understand how painful it is because so many people trust the meta trader platform because they feel it is a reputable app but a lot of scams has been going on lately with no one to held accountable at the end. It will be better for the meta trader app to be block in all platform until they clean up and come with a stricter better policy that will make it difficult for scammer to get license to operate. This isn't about Apple or android but I think a reputable company will definitely watch out for the safety of their customers first. Now let support every other company to follow the same step
will forex be forbid one day? lol
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Quoting Guest
It is really great news. There have been a lot of Asia mafia scammer lately with the mt platform. For those of you who haven't lose significantly in the so called pig butcher scam won't understand how painful it is because so many people trust the meta trader platform because they feel it is a reputable app but a lot of scams has been going on lately with no one to held accountable at the end. It will be better for the meta trader app to be block in all platform until they clean up and come with a stricter better policy that will make it difficult...
I am really sorry for those victims, but losing money on forex is common thing, because everybody is live trading while the haven't even been trained for this. Would you ever drive a car without going to a driving school first? Then why are you people live trading without being educated first??? Forex is not for everybody. Everyone should trade only after they have educated themselves about forex, have completed technical analysis, made a risk management plan, a trading plan and back-tested their any strategy for at least 100 trades.
Ok just pay attention to update the Android app better
Will MT4 & MT5 online in apple store later one day? Most of my clients trades with them, if no, I think I have to choose other works
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Quoting buffedmage
{quote} today its just apple ,tomorrow ,who knows...uncertanity ..all these acts , giving a warning signs of big ,economic troubles ,depression ,whatever in future of fx industry , as it gets affected (the most liquid market) ..most people who rely on MT EA's are now in panic .. if mt gets blocked out the bridge(backend) which connects to lp(Liquidity Provider - like Barclays,Ubs,goldman,etc) wont get affected , but it cant receive order from clients (if no order recived,retails cant participate in fx market which leads to significant loss in volumes...
you clearly have no idea how backend works
calm your tits boys.

1) mt4.exe offered by brokers will always be around. back then in the early 2000s, mt4 was a software for purchase like microsoft office. the only thing i see getting hit is mt5 which is a subscription license model. ie; your broker owns the mt4 software because they purchased it years ago, nothing to do with russian war.

2) will i get future mt4 updates? - NO, mt4 has reached legacy product status, MTQ has stopped updating the software as of 2021.

3) will my broker be able to offer new instruments? - YES. mt4 and insturments offered has no direct correlation.
in a nutshell, broker buys instrument feed from aggregators. and pipes it to mt4 via API. mt4 is merely a vessel.
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Quoting Bicarus
{quote} you clearly have no idea how backend works
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backend isnt my cup of tea..so i dont know..im also a normal trader like you....its actually the broker's choice , they either internalise the clients order or they pass it to a LP , or he may hedge against you(market makers)..well i cant share a diagram to explain (as there isnt file upload option here)about how mt4 connected to bridge/api. in simple words - metatrader is frontend software , bridge/api is the backend and separate software not related to meta trader (frontend), so if companies like Apple ,etc..blocks MT , has no effect , but many retails cant participate in market (as front end blocked by these companies), which has significant impact on volumes on fx market..

Mt4/mt5 -> bridge/api-> LP (stp )

new traders who wish to download MT4/mt5 on apple iPhone, having bad time...brokers , got the link which redirects to apple app store..

but existing can use mt4 without problems. Apple promised that ..only backside you don't get updates ..not an issue
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Quoting Bicarus
calm your tits boys. 1) mt4.exe offered by brokers will always be around. back then in the early 2000s, mt4 was a software for purchase like microsoft office. the only thing i see getting hit is mt5 which is a subscription license model. ie; your broker owns the mt4 software because they purchased it years ago, nothing to do with russian war. 2) will i get future mt4 updates? - NO, mt4 has reached legacy product status, MTQ has stopped updating the software as of 2021. 3) will my broker be able to offer new instruments? - YES. mt4 and insturments...
.exe - windows .dmg - apple( .dmg is a disk image for Mac that may hold an executable program for Mac. The .dmg mounts as a disk drive, and from there you can run the program or installer, whichever is on the .dmg. )

I guess you talking about Meta trader on windows all this time ..while the problem and topic is about apple..
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Quoting buffedmage
{quote} .exe - windows .dmg - apple( .dmg is a disk image for Mac that may hold an executable program for Mac. The .dmg mounts as a disk drive, and from there you can run the program or installer, whichever is on the .dmg. ) I guess you talking about Meta trader on windows all this time ..while the problem and topic is about apple..
indeed, many of my clients trade on iphone, they can do it whenever they want, no one can keep seating in front of the desktop
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Quoting Bicarus
calm your tits boys. 1) mt4.exe offered by brokers will always be around. back then in the early 2000s, mt4 was a software for purchase like microsoft office. the only thing i see getting hit is mt5 which is a subscription license model. ie; your broker owns the mt4 software because they purchased it years ago, nothing to do with russian war. 2) will i get future mt4 updates? - NO, mt4 has reached legacy product status, MTQ has stopped updating the software as of 2021. 3) will my broker be able to offer new instruments? - YES. mt4 and insturments...
I don't really care for Android or iOS as I have my strategy/expert on PC variant,after seeing the news and panicking I was look for ways to make sure my trading isn't affected,your post has given me much needed calm and piece of mind,I just had to create a membership in order to thank you, God bless
MetaQuotes have brought this on themselves by producing the tools that allow dishonesty.
Quoting clemmo17
MetaQuotes have brought this on themselves by producing the tools that allow dishonesty.
What are you talking about?Mt4 was removed due to connection to russians.Call it just sanctions nothing more.
Quoting DayTrader30
{quote} What are you talking about?Mt4 was removed due to connection to russians.Call it just sanctions nothing more.
No mate. It has nothing to do with sanctions. This is a pure security measure against possible threat and a scam.
MT4 and MT5 for mobile platforms with iOS operating systems are still available for the users who already have installed those ones before. Which means that if you for some reason decide to reset your device, your copy of MT4/5 will be still available to you via "purchased apps". Only new users cannot download these apps, which indicates some security issue within Apple AppStore.

Just start AppStore and go to purchased then type MetaTrader and you will se them both available there if you have had them from before. Even if you uninstall them or reset your device, MT4/5 will be there for you.
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Only Apple knows the 'real' reason(s) it was removed but if you look at videos on YouTube, like this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkq9qb7eSDw you can see how simple it is to set up a fake White Label 'live' broker and manufacture fake trades, remove trades, and basically generate a completely false history of success using MT4/5.

Once you've convinced enough followers that you're the real deal, you 'butcher the pig' and take their money. That's the most likely reason that Apple removed MetaQuotes. What kind of messed up corporate culture would make something like this? A scammer's culture. Sad to say, if MetaQuotes wasn't Russian, it might never have occurred to them that they need to build something that basically makes scamming easy. That sort of corruption mindset hasn't infected much of the rest of the world (yet).

The problem is, you can't do business with entities you don't trust. Eventually the breakdown of trust makes all dealing impossible. This is how Depressions start.

The comments on these videos are mostly from other scammers who are trying to funnel people who have lost money to their telegram channels where they will 'recover' your money for a fee. Also a scam.

It's just an ecosystem of scams. Trust no one.
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