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Guys please try not let the cat out of the bag, there are many eye overfly on this kind of threads.

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Old Jan 19, 2011 11:20am
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Well, in or out of context, it's going to be hard to compete with the one I have.
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this thread will soon be transformed in an online dating service

don't think that you want some real competitors

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I'd say that is certainly one aspect of it. This has a lot to do with the mechanics behind pin bar situations as opposed to clean trending markets. Basically, is there real time support or resistance behind a move or does the move fall on it's face? A strongly trending market (sharp slope) with small pullbacks indicate a strong bid re-population, while a strong move that collapses on itself shows no professional interest. Large traders have to average in anyways, so if values are shifting, the pros will have robots that quickly enter bids or asks...

The theory is good but you must be able to identified them as they develop in real time. This kind of action can be seen more clearly on 1h and 4h TF even daily chart when they are prone to manipulation to some degree.

The pullbacks into those sharp moves will show you where the average price of market makers truly is, it will make a base, but if you have experience timing down that base is easy, you can catch the bottom without any kind of risk, when price comes back into that zone you will find there the true liquidity.

You must take in consideration the volitility factor in its trend and the time it consumes in it push,you can determine all this from bare chart

The trick is to make the difference between when is a true interest and where is a false movement.You can capitalized on both action if you can spot them, you can go with the momentum or fade when there is no interes, even befor the move is unfold.

Another important thing is where price is heading into, and to know where is the line of least resistence.

Hope I made myself understable, don't know how could I say it differently.

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Old Jan 19, 2011 3:22pm
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Well isn't this quite embarassing.

It seems to me as if I am the threadstarter, and I am the one who right now knows/UNDERSTANDS the least of all of you.

SMJones you have pointed out to me what (I don't know what a stop hunt really looks like because I don't believe in my ability to find a stop hunt) a liquidity disequilibrium looks like, if that is what that USDCHF picture is?
Then this gives me an idea of what I should look for.. First I was thinking along the lines that I would see stop hunting(and liquidity disequilibrium) with candlesticks,...

just try to take in consideration the price structure to the left. it has his own story of whats happening into the NOW.

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For those of you interested, the AU will be having the same vacuum type scenario for a long.
as far as I can see and my understanding goes I see no such action developing.

Or maybe you should point out the implication of such a developing in relationship with the TF, and if affects only the short term move.

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It's a combination of tape reading, fundies, a reliable data vendor(Just as Scotty has mentioned) and a few other nick-nacks. This is only my perception of liquidity traps, however.

Best to you.

P.S. This trade was analyzed from the 4 hour to 15 minute. I'm looking for a 1-2 day hold, I enjoy when interest rate differentials are in my favor as well. Just a personal preference I suppose(Thanks Dom ).
ok, I think I have a sort of feeling of your reasoning, but there is nothing happening there regarding of what we have discussed recently,just the way I see thinks developing

I'm not so versatile when it comes of explanations.

but you have said that the implication of such a developing will affect the following 1-2 days ---> quote: " I'm looking for a 1-2 day hold..."

Being said that your timing is wrong,bc you should have waited for the current day session to close,only then you can be sure of their intention, if they manipulated the price or not.

Hope you do not get offended is just my perception based on my own observations

anyway nice to see others opinions

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thats a "bull trap" what have happen in the last hours on eu, the second attack to 1.35 is due to fail, 3510 already mine

edit 3480 is where they will show up their intention, they are fighting back
edit2: the map is unclear at the moment
edit3: is done, there is nothig there left they clear up the road for it to go forword, liquidate..they where building up for another attack
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Old Jan 20, 2011 3:28pm
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The way I see it, the most interesting part of Darkstar's picture is the area I've highlighted with the blue rectangle. That is the liquidity vacuum created by the shift lower in price - there are no (or few) remaining orders there. If large buy orders start coming in, price should pass through that area very quickly searching for liquidity higher up. I would want to be in a position to capture that move should it happen.

Which I suppose is visualized in your third picture, Scott.

it's the same way I'm perciving it,couldn't say it better than you did

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Old Jan 23, 2011 2:35pm
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Reading your post was like going through my thoughts

I don't know what people's expectations are regarding the order flow concepts and how would you capitalized based on this informations, but at the end of the day you still need to make this style of trading to fit your personality and how you internalized with it is even more important.


I always wanted to understand whats behind the chart movement, I can't do a thing if I do not understand how it works out. I'm build the otherway around, not like peoples who trade without to care too much about this stuff, so for me was crucial to know how price function, I thing that is bc I'm an engineer by profession.

I'm all for people learning more about what they are trading - hell, I would never throw my money away betting on something I don't understand.

But so many people seem to think that 'order flow' is some kind of magic trading bullet. And it isn't. It's a great way to understand why the market is doing what it is doing, sometimes.

Even in the conventional order flow traders there are so many variance of their own definition of why price did what it did.

Now I get the true meaning of Darkstar's word when he speek about order flow trading is about mindset, that we must anticipate what the next "true value" will be in the future, by anticipating where peoples will want to trade in the future. When we are addressing to a chart it's more important to feel what she's doing and respond to her actions, because she will allways tips her hands up, for me thats trading the orderflow.

At the end of the day all comes down to, How do you capitalized based on this information? What's the use of knowing all these materials if you can't benefit from it?

I don't know how accurate I'm and I know that I'm not so versatile when it comes to this subject but is the way I'm doing it.

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I know the thread title is about cluster of stops on chart. And yes charts can be helpful to locate the support/resistance and possible stop locations,etc. But in the end it is all about order, and what will generate order flow.

This thread has far too many charts posted in my opinion. Sometimes they can get in the way of taking your trading to the next level, as you can be grappling with learning the new order flow mentality, but that old technical analysis/chart mentality can be dead weight on your shoulders. And as such many people keep going...
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Old Jan 23, 2011 3:17pm
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I'm also witnessing gold bubble mentality in my country. News reports on TV that people are changing euros to gold, don't use gold as collateral anymore at pawn shops, and small gold bullion (1g, 5g) is selling like hot cakes. Some of my coworkers, which know that I'm into finance, are asking me how to buy gold.

Currently I'm playing with historical gold prices, doing simulations and trying to find the safest way to bet against gold. My current plan is to try catching a few smaller moves (now -> 1250 for example), not the big one, which is riskier...
Gold is not a bubble, althought it's making an all time high, but it hasn't come close to hitting its old highs in real terms, if you take in consideration inflation

I don't know if that's accurate when it comes to peoples who own gold,it's quite contrary there are few people who own it at this moment.Where did you get that information from, haven't heard a word of it.

In the short and medium term I think that gold is due to a corection, is a period of readjustment, always is the same old cycle,if you have study dow theory you will get what I mean.

She is already establishing the line of least resistance to the downside, so you have kind of lost the opportunity to get a safest entry, I thought you already beat against gold (just kidding).

Expecting the same here, that in the long term gold is due to move much more higher.

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The whole argument that gold is going higher just because it is not near it's inflation adjusted value is ridiculous. .........
Sorry but I have to say that you get me all wrong, I never made such an assumption.

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Darkstar, have a question to ask you, if you have some time left for me

how do you see the forex market without the retail side?

how business will be conducted in term of search for liquidity

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Back to the original thread topic in terms of "stop clusters"

I find it interesting when people start talking about stops they always focus on the obvious swing high swing low and trenline "outskirts"

The money is in the middle not on the outskirts... If you've ever watched the volume around the S/R levels you will see that the leaset ammount of money is exchanged at these levels. The big money is accumulated closer to the centre where liquidity is plentifle.

Perhaps focusing on these points may give you a different picture. I'm not discounting...
Reading back through the thread found this post interesting and I'm reasoning with it.

I learned throughout a trial and error process the importance of some key intraday chart points. When market reach that point the market either took of and ran, or I was out, but after some time I develop some sort of feelings and the way price behave at those levels will give you hints of what she will do next, and yes those key points where in the midle not on the side-line.

behind this kind of action there was always an increases in volatility of price movement, so my job was to fade that move,be aware that timing your entry is crucial in this kind of situations

Other thing that I read somewhere, don't recall who said that ,is that if you want to move a large position, you don't wait until the market is making a new high or low because very little volume may trade there if it is a turning point.

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guys,do you remember J. Livermore how he use to operate in market

no chart, no nothing, just the quote board

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